Rossi fans burn Marc Marquez dummy/apparel

#22 · May 24, 2016

Gravity said:
Why did it happen back then? As i said im a fairly new fan.
Do you believe things will be more peacefull after Rossis retirement?

Rossi has had a history of antagonising his opponents, starting with Max Biaggi in the early 2000's, then Sete Gibernau. He openly mocked them in his celebrations, for example Max Biaggi was dating Naomi Campbell so one race that Rossi won, part of his celebration was riding his victory lap with a blow up doll made to look like her on his bike.

Because he is considered charismatic and in the early 2000's was the most successful rider, he has generated an enormous, cult like fanbase. WHile a proportion of these fans are bike fans, most of them just live vicariously through him and only care about him winning, however meanlingless it is.

The bubble really burst in 2007, when a certain Casey Stoner handed Rossi his ... consistently. Suddenly Rossi not winning couldn't be put down to luck of others (which is what his loss to Hayden in 2006 was dismissed as), more that he had legitimate challengers and riders who were arguable more talented than him. Lorenzo joined the show in 2008 and in 6 seasons Between Stoner and Marquez joining MotoGP, Rossi won 2 titles, Stoner 2 and Lorenzo 2. Marquez joining has meant that now Rossi hasn't won a title in nearly 7 years, something his gloryhunting fanbase absolutely are unable to deal with.

The problem is, instead of rejoicing the talent of his rivals, his fans vehemently blame them for lack of Rossi's (and by extension, their own) successes. This is why Stoner, and now Lorenzo and Marquez are booe'd by Rossi fans, because he plays the narrative to his fans that they are the arch enemy, and in more recent examples, cheats. He does this to rile up his fans, to the point where there has been more than 1 documented example of his fandom physically or verbally abusing his rivals.

As has been said, I absolutely believe the paddock will be a happier place when Rossi leaves, because a lot of his glory hunting fanbase will leave with him. This has been documented; if Rossi isn't there, the fans stay away. Even when he was on the Ducati they didn't waiver their support, only when he broke his leg and wasn't racing did they not turn up.

BarryMachine · May 24, 2016

Daniboy said:
It was Donington 09 , probably a few Brits booing because of CS comments after Laguna 08 , silly ..... then and now!

Twas 08 and it was before Laguna.

Laguna was just where rossi had to resort to prick tactics to try and win.

The boppers and rossi were in full swing then too ........ it aint new.

Just looked again ....... the brit boppers started booing at the riders for health stage in 07!
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport...motogpcaseystonernotworriedbybritishbooboys-/

#22 · May 24, 2016

BarryMachine said:
Also part of the reason rossi idiotically had to go to Ducati. Best thing that ever happened ..... answered the question of "why if Stoner was so obviously a better rider than rossi" did he not get the WC.

Oh come on Baz, you have been around here long enough to know that the automatic bopper response to that would be "The Ducati Rossi rode wasn't the same as the one Stoner rode"

BarryMachine · May 24, 2016

#22 said:
Oh come on Baz, you have been around here long enough to know that the automatic bopper response to that would be "The Ducati Rossi rode wasn't the same as the one Stoner rode"

Oh yeah ....... I forgot Stoner developed it for rossi to lose on

MdubSTYLIE · May 24, 2016

Syrians are passionate motogp fans to man, give them a break.

JPSLotus · May 24, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Syrians are passionate motogp fans to man, give them a break.

I hear they're willing to die for what they believe in.

Motokitty · May 24, 2016

Stupids do stupid ..... If the fans start cutting the head off of MM or JLO dummies, Dorna may instruct Rossi to stop the fans. Just maybe.

FTL · May 24, 2016

Blaming rossi for behavior of his fans is like blaming football clubs for hooligans... you just cant control them there will always be idiots. It is "herd" mentality making decisions based upon the actions of others. All you need is few people and whole crowd goes wild.

michaelm · May 24, 2016

FTL said:
Blaming rossi for behavior of his fans is like blaming football clubs for hooligans... you just cant control them there will always be idiots. It is "herd" mentality making decisions based upon the actions of others. All you need is few people and whole crowd goes wild.

Except they do seem to blame football clubs for the behaviour of their fans, sanction them, make them play in empty stadiums etc.

I doubt many team captains would get away with a prolonged public narrative about being cheated out of a football championship either.

#22 · May 24, 2016

FTL said:
Blaming rossi for behavior of his fans is like blaming football clubs for hooligans... you just cant control them there will always be idiots. It is "herd" mentality making decisions based upon the actions of others. All you need is few people and whole crowd goes wild.

So tell me why after PI last year, when Rossi's fans and a lot of the Italian media was ready to lynch Andrea Iannone, did it take a simple comment by Rossi to stop said villification of Iannone overnight?

MotoGP News - Malaysia: Rossi responds to online criticism of Iannone

“In reality they are not my real supporter,” said Rossi, who now leads Jorge Lorenzo in the championship by a reduced eleven points. “Fortunately here it is difficult to follow because you are not in Italy,” he explained. “I hear just after the race. It's a great shame because these people are stupid. This is the time of the social network where everybody can say his idea even if it's a very stupid idea.

“The people like to speak bad about other guys that are more lucky than them. That have more talent and are happier because they do what they want in their life. So a lot of time in my social network everybody has these guys who speak bad about your life, your mother.”

As was the case in Phillip Island, when Rossi praised Iannone for his spirited performance while admitting it was a “great shame” he had missed the podium, he insisted his countryman did the right thing by running his own race.

“It's always a great shame because unfortunately you cannot speak with them. If you speak you only lose time. I'm very sorry for Andrea. He just did his race and it's normal that he tried to beat me.”

Instead, he told them to blame Marquez 4 days later, and look what happened....

BarryMachine · May 24, 2016

FTL said:
Blaming rossi for behavior of his fans is like blaming football clubs for hooligans... you just cant control them there will always be idiots. It is "herd" mentality making decisions based upon the actions of others. All you need is few people and whole crowd goes wild.

Get real! Once would be understandable ..... but we are talking an increasing behaviour over the past 10 years. It was embarrassing, idiotic, purile etc. etc. etc. years ago ........ and rossi sucks up to it ......... cos he is a .....

mark419ny · May 24, 2016

quote from lorenzo in the press conference.

for me i dont care about the reaction of the people.

feros · May 24, 2016

Motokitty said:
Stupids do stupid ..... If the fans start cutting the head off of MM or JLO dummies, Dorna may instruct Rossi to stop the fans. Just maybe.

the problem is those dumb fks actually buy ticket and fill the seats, as far as dorna is concerned this whole thing is not doing them any harm financially. i do however think rossi would make some sort of statement to the line of his last one but htis time stressing it more maybe ( expecting it tobe anything like the one with iannone is imo wishful thinking).

there is another thing tho, and i know it might throw some people off here, but tbh before the 2016 season i thought these 3 would be so much worse during every session toward each other, but marquez has been very mature about it and doing his own thing, rossi has been so much better than i though too, of course they are gonna avoid each other in parc ferme, but he is actually minding his own business ,working on his weak areas ,... and generally avoid question that can led to conspiracy excluding his "balls" statement which work out in his favor anyway. ( and his form imo has been better than his last season)
on the other hand lorenzo is not helping,not criticizing him cuz he has valid reason to be upset, but this whole thing was about rossi and marquez in the first place anyway, yes lorenzo was mentioned but he couldve avoided almost everything by just being a little smart. (maybe he should hire a publicist and if he already has one replace him)

Gravity · May 24, 2016

#22 said:
Rossi has had a history of antagonising his opponents, starting with Max Biaggi in the early 2000's, then Sete Gibernau. He openly mocked them in his celebrations, for example Max Biaggi was dating Naomi Campbell so one race that Rossi won, part of his celebration was riding his victory lap with a blow up doll made to look like her on his bike.

Because he is considered charismatic and in the early 2000's was the most successful rider, he has generated an enormous, cult like fanbase. WHile a proportion of these fans are bike fans, most of them just live vicariously through him and only care about him winning, however meanlingless it is.

The bubble really burst in 2007, when a certain Casey Stoner handed Rossi his ... consistently. Suddenly Rossi not winning couldn't be put down to luck of others (which is what his loss to Hayden in 2006 was dismissed as), more that he had legitimate challengers and riders who were arguable more talented than him. Lorenzo joined the show in 2008 and in 6 seasons Between Stoner and Marquez joining MotoGP, Rossi won 2 titles, Stoner 2 and Lorenzo 2. Marquez joining has meant that now Rossi hasn't won a title in nearly 7 years, something his gloryhunting fanbase absolutely are unable to deal with.

The problem is, instead of rejoicing the talent of his rivals, his fans vehemently blame them for lack of Rossi's (and by extension, their own) successes. This is why Stoner, and now Lorenzo and Marquez are booe'd by Rossi fans, because he plays the narrative to his fans that they are the arch enemy, and in more recent examples, cheats. He does this to rile up his fans, to the point where there has been more than 1 documented example of his fandom physically or verbally abusing his rivals.

As has been said, I absolutely believe the paddock will be a happier place when Rossi leaves, because a lot of his glory hunting fanbase will leave with him. This has been documented; if Rossi isn't there, the fans stay away. Even when he was on the Ducati they didn't waiver their support, only when he broke his leg and wasn't racing did they not turn up.

Thank you for explaining , it can be hard for a relativley new fan to make out who did what when.

and its good to know all the forgoing history. idk if you or anyone of you can help me with this , but i watched a documentary style video with Lorenzo explaining a little more about last year (so also negativity with rossi) i wonder if anyone knows any must see docu's in that style.

so not just the victorys and best laps docu but the parts you dont get to see. i loved the backstage footage between te riders.. Thanks again

Arrabbiata1 · May 24, 2016

lil red rocket pilot said:
The whole booing .... started with Stoner at Shiverstone 2009 IIRC.
At a fcuking riders for health auction of all places and it has continued since.
Every gp race I have attended I have heard it.
So it has been going on for some time.

Earlier than that PG. There was cheering of Biaggi when he crashed out at Brno in 2001 and often jeering on the podium. Sete was also subjected to abuse after 2004 precipitated by the Qatar incident when Rossi stated to the Italian press 'I have been looking for a reason to dislike Sete for some time' and proclaimed that he would never win a race again. As I've mentioned before, Dani was booed in Parc Ferme at Donington in 2006 for having the audacity to beat an injured Rossi, (he had crashed heavily at Ramshoek the week before injuring his wrist).

The Stoner booing at the Day of Champions was a disgrace and would have happened anyway as a consequence of beating Rossi the year before. That said, airing his frustrations over the questionable grip, dismissing Donington was a .... circuit given that as hallowed soil is the spiritual home of Motorcycle Racing definitely didn't help matters and irked more than a few. However I was there and it was exclusively Rossi fans that were verbally abusing him - during a charity auction. Classy.

As #22 correctly observes, though not directly complicit, Valentino certainly mobilises his minions to his advantage through the press by implicit and tacit approval.

feros · May 24, 2016

#22 said:
So tell me why after PI last year, when Rossi's fans and a lot of the Italian media was ready to lynch Andrea Iannone, did it take a simple comment by Rossi to stop said villification of Iannone overnight?

the real question is not whether it would work or not. as its obvious it would (so rossi should take the blame here for not ending it.)the question is why he wont do it,! maybe he is just being a .... and enjoys it, but the more sensible answer would be that he actually believe his theories are correct and WILL NEVER say he was wrong, but in iannone case he just said "you got it wrong, cool it idiots."

lil red rocket pilot · May 24, 2016

FTL said:
Blaming rossi for behavior of his fans is like blaming football clubs for hooligans... you just cant control them there will always be idiots. It is "herd" mentality making decisions based upon the actions of others. All you need is few people and whole crowd goes wild.

I disagree over here in England football hooliganism was rife,
They imposed fines on the clubs for the actions of their fans, The clubs were quick to spot ringleaders and culprits and banned them. I believe they do the same thing with racist chants now. CCTV a marvelous thing.

However this would not be an option in motogp as it is at rounds all over the world, not at the same venue every week or other week, again another reason your example was flawed.

Welcome by the way

lil red rocket pilot · May 24, 2016

Gravity said:
Why did it happen back then? As i said im a fairly new fan.
Do you believe things will be more peacefull after Rossis retirement?

Because a small minority of people start and the rest of the sheep follow

Daniboy said:
It was Donington 09 , probably a few Brits booing because of CS comments after Laguna 08 , silly ..... then and now!

Your right, Must have been 2010 then I personally witnessed it. I stand corrected

I didn't make the last one at Donny.
there was also booing at Jorge at the bike show at the NEC in November 2010 while he was on stage with Stavros

9TimeGod · May 24, 2016

Lol. You people are pathetic. This was a harmless campfire gag. None of you have ever had a few cocktails and lit something up at the campsite?
There's only two heroes committing this act and you fools talk like its a hundred thousand pitchfork wielding barbarians.
You would have thought this was hilarious if it was Stoner fans burning Vale, or Hayden fans burning the little Honduran.

I just figured this place out. Motogpforum is where Fox News Anchors go in their down time. I've never seen so many fake outrage stories. Michael M is old sour puss, Brit Hume. JPS is blustering bully, Bill Orielly. Jumkie is Geraldo Rivera, all mustache, no substance. 22 of course is Meghan Kelly.The only thing she's good for is .... to the face.
Vale is the Benghazi of this forum. A story wholly fabricated out of fear and anger to vilify their opponent.
Just like Fox News, you create a fake story about the impending doom of society. You get lunatics on the extreme right or left of the topic shouting at each other.
LOL. The real story is, if it wasn't for a blown engine most of you wouldn't be posting right now.
.... on your face fuckers, and if I ever see 22, I will make sure to .... in his eye

lil red rocket pilot · May 24, 2016

Arrabbiata1 said:
Earlier than that PG. There was cheering of Biaggi when he crashed out at Brno in 2001 and often jeering on the podium. Sete was also subjected to abuse after 2004 precipitated by the Qatar incident when Rossi stated to the Italian press 'I have been looking for a reason to dislike Sete for some time' and proclaimed that he would never win a race again. As I've mentioned before, Dani was booed in Parc Ferme at Donington in 2006 for having the audacity to beat an injured Rossi, (he had crashed heavily at Ramshoek the week before injuring his wrist).

The Stoner booing at the Day of Champions was a disgrace and would have happened anyway as a consequence of beating Rossi the year before. That said, airing his frustrations over the questionable grip, dismissing Donington was a .... circuit given that as hallowed soil is the spiritual home of Motorcycle Racing definitely didn't help matters and irked more than a few. However I was there and it was exclusively Rossi fans that were verbally abusing him - during a charity auction. Classy.

As #22 correctly observes, though not directly complicit, Valentino certainly mobilises his minions to his advantage through the press by implicit and tacit approval.

Maybe so my friend but as we both know I haven't even reached a decade of watching the sport yet. Yourself on the other hand have a wealth of knowledge on the sport going way further back.
I'll stick to the facts I know and keep mi ... intact thanks

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