Rossi, Ducati rumours heat up ?

KurtC said:

HRC?? hmm that's even more unlikely than Ducati at least i reckon it is, Stoner is 99% already in HRC, and bringing Rossi aswell seems strange but we will see how all this will end

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You're right, it seems more like a lateral move. You would think Stoner at HRC would be at least as tough as Lorenzo at Yamaha so at that point why not just stay at Yamaha. I think i read that Rossi doesn't like Livio Supo either

A lot of the Aussies here aren't really giving the full picture in regards to jb's comments on Sunday night.



Firstly he seemed quite critical of Ducati's lack of development for it's gp10's front forks, stating that Yamaha always uses it's test riders to sort out any potential issues well before the Motogp team sees the bike. He was constantly in support of Yamaha and when the suggestion of Ducati came up he said that it would more likely be a red car, stating that if Ferrari were allowed to run a third car it is there waiting for Valentino.



In regards to what Rossi will do, of course, the accident has changed everything and Jb said he doesn't really know what vr is thinking about lying in a hospital bed, however his first passion is motorcycles. As far as JB is concerned the Ducati isn't likely.



Jb also spoke a little about jl and the wall between garages, saying that the walls are in every garage and have been for a while. Interesting enough though he said that jl recent results are expected being the young talent on 'Valentino Rossi' bike.



I certainly haven't been happy with Onehds coverage this year, with qualifying being the only plus but jb's comments in commentary were great to see and something which we have rarely if ever had during the season.

Talpa said:

A lot of the Aussies here aren't really giving the full picture in regards to jb's comments on Sunday night.

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I think if you look all Aussies on here have said exactly the same as you.Show me one who hasn't



The trouble is, it appears, that the words "highy Unlikely" don't seem tomean the same to your Bopper mates.



It is they who disagree with you. And since you are what appears to be "the Aussie Bopper", you need to inform them on "Aus-speak" not us.



I'll give you a hint on how to start, I gave up on them cos they just don't get it. When JB says "Highly Unlikely" it means just that.

What does come to light for me is that this figure of 15 mil. would have been around for a while, so I assume its pretty much the same for Rossi ...... ie. you couldn't pay him to ride the Duc,

Talpa said:

Firstly he seemed quite critical of Ducati's lack of development for it's gp10's front forks, stating that Yamaha always uses it's test riders to sort out any potential issues well before the Motogp team sees the bike.

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I haven't seen anyone else mention that.

Goatboy said:

I haven't seen anyone else mention that.

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He did say something along the lines talpa mentioned, to the effect that yamaha with all their resources had taken quite a while to get their new front forks right and that it had taken considerable work from the test riders; whether this is being critical of ducati is I guess a matter of interpretation. As said previously jb is known to be rather canny, and not unexpectedly without appearing to be dishonest did not give everything away on all topics on national TV. He did say directly that ferrari would make a 3rd car available if it was allowed and valentino wanted to go to F1. He was also fairly bullish on stoner's employment prospects next year.

michaelm said:

He was also fairly bullish on stoner's employment prospects next year.

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Bullish? ........ meaning?



He's a pretty diplomatic guy, on the fork question he said Duc. don't have the "resources" of Yam. eg, the test riders etc. but he did say that Stoner was on the right track, it was just a matter of how much time it will take to fix, given the lesser resources.



He also said that Stoner was the key this year, they were all waiting to see what he does, then it will all slot in from there. Does that mean Duc. would rather keep Stoner than get Rossi?

Goatboy said:

I haven't seen anyone else mention that.

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On the forks,

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=12523&view=findpost&p=242378

ok its no "war and Peace", to save the sooking that would have ensued , but it is there!

BarryMachine said:

He's a pretty diplomatic guy, on the fork question he said Duc. don't have the "resources" of Yam. eg, the test riders etc. but he did say that Stoner was on the right track, it was just a matter of how much time it will take to fix, given the lesser resources.

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I'd agree with that. Burgess didn't seem too critical at all. He just explained the way yamaha tested the forks.

Son of Doohan said:

I'd agree with that. Burgess didn't seem too critical at all. He just explained the way yamaha tested the forks.

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Yeah he is a pretty "diplomatic" and respectful guy, even down to the respectful references to first names only



ie. its: Casey, Dani, Nicky etc. etc. etc. none of this Stoner, Pedrosa, Hayden informality

BarryMachine said:

Bullish? ........ meaning?

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A stock market term basically meaning positive/plenty of upside etc as I understand it, not that I know anything about shares.

I'll take michaelm's word for it, thank you very much.

We'll see how all this shakes out. I'd love to see some big changes, but not much ever changes.



I would love to see a red 46

michaelm said:

A stock market term basically meaning positive/plenty of upside etc as I understand it, not that I know anything about shares.

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Yeah thats as I took it, although he is Rossi's Mech. he certainly seems to exude the opposite of the "Boppers" dislike of Stoner.

The way I interpreted jb's comment on the forks was critical in as much as he wouldn't like the idea of fighting for the title with Ducati up against the big boys at present. It's open for interpretation.





Funny about boppers baz, every post you seem to try to include stoner somehow, maybe beyond bopping-borderline obsession......

Hi



I just heard this on TV today, not eurosport or DSF, that Yamaha has offerd Lorenzo 8m and Vale 9m contract. Now Lorenzo is earning 4m from Yamaha and Vale 14m...

If that is true than Vale must be angry and closer to make contract with Ducati... I dont say Lorenzo dont deserve it... but i think Yamaha was saying that they dont want to fight for Lorenzo with Ducati or honda... Dont know... i think joining again with lorenzo on yamaha next year would be very dengerous for him but good for the sport.... but i prefer Vale over Lorenzo so i wish him all the best... if Lorenzo stays it would be better for Vale to go to Ducati.... but im also Yamaha fan



Sry if it had been mentioned before.



Cya

McKneZ said:

Hi

I just heard this on TV today, not eurosport or DSF, that Yamaha has offerd Lorenzo 8m and Vale 9m contract. Now Lorenzo is earning 4m from Yamaha and Vale 14m...

If that is true than Vale must be angry and closer to make contract with Ducati... I dont say Lorenzo dont deserve it... but i think Yamaha was saying that they dont want to fight for Lorenzo with Ducati or honda... Dont know... i think joining again with lorenzo on yamaha next year would be very dengerous for him but good for the sport.... but i prefer Vale over Lorenzo so i wish him all the best... if Lorenzo stays it would be better for Vale to go to Ducati.... but im also Yamaha fan

Sry if it had been mentioned before.



Cya

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Yeah you can see Yamaha's point, how would it look to have your number two rider getting more than your number one. And unfortunately for Rossi Lorenzo is looking like surpassing him. And now ith the Injury it would have dropped Rossi's value.

This may be the only way Rossi might consider Duc. though, so its all a positive. Unless the Duc. package, with all the rally and Ferrari oportunities, is seen as the "Rossi's step toward retirement " package?

that is great if val will be on the duke...I hope so...and he can have the duke..but lets see how much better he will do on it??? then our champ casey did??? I bet u all that if Val gets on the duke it will be the twilight of his career and he will end up like capirossi and hayden and now we be able to add rossi to the list…good luck cause anything is possible when it comes to the legend mr rossi...only time will tell...but dont blame time for the inevitable!

Rossi is almost certain to sign for Ducati. The negotiations with HRC are basically just going through his last possible option, but he is apparently very pissed off about the money thing. Before Mugello, he had basically agreed a pay cut with Yamaha, to help them in hard financial times. Then he learns that the money Yamaha is saving is going to double Lorenzo's salary. That's not good. Ducati staff have been sounded out about the arrival of Rossi. But Stoner's mechanics have not been given their notice, instead, they will be reshuffled inside the factory.



In my opinion:

Stoner to HRC: 100%

Rossi to Ducati: 90% (and I was one of the doubters)

Lorenzo to stay where he is (despite continually going on about biding his time and not having made his mind up).



Pedrosa to stay at HRC: 70%. Depends, he's pretty pissed off, in one press briefing, he sat slumped in his chair looking vaguely irritated. But that could just be because I was the only English-language journo who had turned up, and he'd hoped to get out of there early.

The rumours say a lot of things, but if Yamaha hasn't said it officially, how do bbc and some others know about the amount of money?



It's strenge. if that's for real, then Yam politely has asked Rossi to leave them, or maybe Lorenzo's amount is for more than a year. we will know it in a few weeks or months, untill then we will hear a few more speculations and rumours.

rossiofsky said:

The rumours say a lot of things, but if Yamaha hasn't said it officially, how do bbc and some others know about the amount of money?



It's strenge. if that's for real, then Yam politely has asked Rossi to leave them, or maybe Lorenzo's amount is for more than a year. we will know it in a few weeks or months, untill then we will hear a few more speculations and rumours.

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Knowing about money is about knowing the right people. People you can phone up and quote numbers at until you get a response. The BBC guys are getting their info from one or two very well-connected paddock journalists. The same people who are telling me what is going on.

Kropotkin said:

Knowing about money is about knowing the right people. People you can phone up and quote numbers at until you get a response. The BBC guys are getting their info from one or two very well-connected paddock journalists. The same people who are telling me what is going on.

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I know they have heard it from someone in the paddock, but usually in silly season with the big names we will hear a lot of rumours, untill the real news come out.

in this case maybe Yamaha bosses are playing a game with Rossi, to let him know that they want him but like this, or maybe they want to put extra pressure on him to get involved in real talks for his next contract with them.



anyway when the time comes we will hear the real news. untill then i dont care much for any unofficial news.