you just enjoy the pain, then i tell you enjoy it. being bopper isn't better than being a sadomasochist?
You are bizarre. Why would I be sadomasochistic? Why am I feeling pain? Because Stoner has not done well? Because Rossi is lying in a hospital bed? Because still no one other than Stoner can win on a Ducati? Because anyone can podium on a Yamaha and someone else can consistently win on a Yamaha?
At the end of the day I could careless about specific riders because they all come and go if you watch long enough. You see I have been a fan of MotoGP well before Rossi, before Stoner, before Doohan so you see the only thing I can feel pain about is MotoGP itself and the look of only 15 - 17 bikes on the grid and because in theory it is not even a World Championship anymore.
Now lets look at the bopper. You see the bopper affliction that MotoGP fans have to deal with is a self terminating affliction because once Rossi is gone then the Bopper is gone and we go back to what it was like before - just fans enjoying the sport.
It would be funny as .... if casey went to fiat Yam and Rossi went to Ducati. It would be like biaggi all over again
How do you figure?
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Not sure Rog. knows what "figuring" is. Its all just more of his incoherent sooking at Stoner, or Aussie's.
Rossi's Dilemma: 15 Million Euros At Ducati, Or 9 Million At Yamaha
MotoGP's bumper silly season has taken another step closer to its conclusion in recent weeks, with signs that both Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo are starting to move towards finalizing deals. Reports in the Italian sports daily Corriere dello Sport indicate that Valentino Rossi has been offered 15 million euros by Ducati to sign for the Italian factory.
That is a good deal more than Yamaha have offered the Italian. Rossi is reportedly currently under contract for some 14 million euros, but had been in discussions with Yamaha prior to Mugello about reducing his salary to between 9 and 10 million euros. That reduction was being driven by the need to cut costs, and the Corriere dello Sport is reporting that Rossi was looking favorably upon the salary cut, and had expressed a desire to finish his career at Yamaha.
But it appears that part of that salary cut is needed to fund a doubling of Jorge Lorenzo's contract, from 4 million in 2010 to 8 million in 2011. This, understandably, has left Rossi much less amenable to taking the pay cut, and probably more disposed to consider other options.
Ironically, Rossi no longer has complete control over his own fate. In years past, Rossi could simply lay out a range of demands, and his employers would either concede, or as happened to Honda at the end of 2003, watch as Rossi left to another team. Now, however, Yamaha have an advantage, if not quite the upper hand, as the YZR-M1 is clearly the best bike on the grid, and in Jorge Lorenzo, Fiat Yamaha have a rider capable of matching Rossi on his own terms, at the very least.
But Rossi's hand is also being forced to a certain extent by Ducati. The Marlboro Ducati is clearly capable of being competitive, as Casey Stoner has consistently demonstrated. But this year has seen an extra improvement, as Nicky Hayden and also Aleix Espargaro of the Pramac team has also demonstrated.
Most of all, though, if Valentino Rossi wants to see the number 1 status he believes he deserves reflected in salary, Ducati is probably his only option. While other manufacturers can land sponsorship based on Rossi's salary, the total marketing value they can offer is based the legend that is Valentino Rossi. But the marketing synergy between the brand Ducati and the brand Rossi is so great that Corriere dello Sport believes that Ducati has sponsors standing in line to pay for that. Like Harley-Davidson, Ducati is a brand that can sell t-shirts, caps, belts, after shave, and in the case of the Italian brand, even wine. Add Rossi to that marketing mix and you get almost unlimited selling power.
But there is yet another factor seeming to push Rossi towards Ducati. The injuries to Valentino Rossi and Hiroshi Aoyama have exposed the thinness of the MotoGP grid. Rossi's aura and enormous fan bases helps to camouflage the fact that MotoGP has just 17 bikes when everyone is healthy. With Rossi gone, and Aoyama out as well, the grid is looking very threadbare indeed. Paddock rumors suggest that the top echelons of Dorna would be all too happy to see their biggest marketing asset on a red bike, as the Spanish and Italian press would be full of nothing else all year, almost regardless of the results. A year of Rossi-Ducati coverage would take the series through to 2012, when it is hoped the new rules will help fill out the grids.
With the probability of a Rossi switch to Ducati increasing almost day by day, Jorge Lorenzo is drawing in on a Yamaha deal. Ironically, this is causing Lorenzo to put more and more distance between himself and Yamaha in his public statements, the Spaniard emphasizing that he hasn't made a decision yet, and that he is very much keeping all his options open.
But occasionally, Lorenzo lets his intentions slip through, as when veteran journalist Dennis Noyes asked him about the advantage the Yamaha has over the Honda and Ducati. Lorenzo told journalists that he was worried that development might stagnate, and the bike could end up not improving as much over the next couple of years. Noyes then asked whether that meant that he would be staying with Yamaha for that period, but Lorenzo realized his mistake, and said that he was merely trying to think from Yamaha's perspective, and not necessarily his own.
But with Rossi gone, a generous salary and the ability to direct development of the Yamaha M1 for the next few years, Lorenzo's best option is probably going to be to stay at Yamaha. When asked at Assen about the rumors, Lorenzo was evasive. "I have a passionate relationship with Yamaha," the Spaniard said, "but that doesn't mean I will not leave Yamaha. I would like to stay with Yamaha, but we will see what happens." But Lorenzo was not concerned about the lack of movement in the markets so far. "I am not in a rush," he said.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/24/rossi_s_dilemma_15_million_euros_at_duca.html
MotoGP's bumper silly season has taken another step closer to its conclusion in recent weeks, with signs that both Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo are starting to move towards finalizing deals. Reports in the Italian sports daily Corriere dello Sport indicate that Valentino Rossi has been offered 15 million euros by Ducati to sign for the Italian factory.
That is a good deal more than Yamaha have offered the Italian. Rossi is reportedly currently under contract for some 14 million euros, but had been in discussions with Yamaha prior to Mugello about reducing his salary to between 9 and 10 million euros. That reduction was being driven by the need to cut costs, and the Corriere dello Sport is reporting that Rossi was looking favorably upon the salary cut, and had expressed a desire to finish his career at Yamaha.
But it appears that part of that salary cut is needed to fund a doubling of Jorge Lorenzo's contract, from 4 million in 2010 to 8 million in 2011. This, understandably, has left Rossi much less amenable to taking the pay cut, and probably more disposed to consider other options.
Ironically, Rossi no longer has complete control over his own fate. In years past, Rossi could simply lay out a range of demands, and his employers would either concede, or as happened to Honda at the end of 2003, watch as Rossi left to another team. Now, however, Yamaha have an advantage, if not quite the upper hand, as the YZR-M1 is clearly the best bike on the grid, and in Jorge Lorenzo, Fiat Yamaha have a rider capable of matching Rossi on his own terms, at the very least.
But Rossi's hand is also being forced to a certain extent by Ducati. The Marlboro Ducati is clearly capable of being competitive, as Casey Stoner has consistently demonstrated. But this year has seen an extra improvement, as Nicky Hayden and also Aleix Espargaro of the Pramac team has also demonstrated.
Most of all, though, if Valentino Rossi wants to see the number 1 status he believes he deserves reflected in salary, Ducati is probably his only option. While other manufacturers can land sponsorship based on Rossi's salary, the total marketing value they can offer is based the legend that is Valentino Rossi. But the marketing synergy between the brand Ducati and the brand Rossi is so great that Corriere dello Sport believes that Ducati has sponsors standing in line to pay for that. Like Harley-Davidson, Ducati is a brand that can sell t-shirts, caps, belts, after shave, and in the case of the Italian brand, even wine. Add Rossi to that marketing mix and you get almost unlimited selling power.
But there is yet another factor seeming to push Rossi towards Ducati. The injuries to Valentino Rossi and Hiroshi Aoyama have exposed the thinness of the MotoGP grid. Rossi's aura and enormous fan bases helps to camouflage the fact that MotoGP has just 17 bikes when everyone is healthy. With Rossi gone, and Aoyama out as well, the grid is looking very threadbare indeed. Paddock rumors suggest that the top echelons of Dorna would be all too happy to see their biggest marketing asset on a red bike, as the Spanish and Italian press would be full of nothing else all year, almost regardless of the results. A year of Rossi-Ducati coverage would take the series through to 2012, when it is hoped the new rules will help fill out the grids.
With the probability of a Rossi switch to Ducati increasing almost day by day, Jorge Lorenzo is drawing in on a Yamaha deal. Ironically, this is causing Lorenzo to put more and more distance between himself and Yamaha in his public statements, the Spaniard emphasizing that he hasn't made a decision yet, and that he is very much keeping all his options open.
But occasionally, Lorenzo lets his intentions slip through, as when veteran journalist Dennis Noyes asked him about the advantage the Yamaha has over the Honda and Ducati. Lorenzo told journalists that he was worried that development might stagnate, and the bike could end up not improving as much over the next couple of years. Noyes then asked whether that meant that he would be staying with Yamaha for that period, but Lorenzo realized his mistake, and said that he was merely trying to think from Yamaha's perspective, and not necessarily his own.
But with Rossi gone, a generous salary and the ability to direct development of the Yamaha M1 for the next few years, Lorenzo's best option is probably going to be to stay at Yamaha. When asked at Assen about the rumors, Lorenzo was evasive. "I have a passionate relationship with Yamaha," the Spaniard said, "but that doesn't mean I will not leave Yamaha. I would like to stay with Yamaha, but we will see what happens." But Lorenzo was not concerned about the lack of movement in the markets so far. "I am not in a rush," he said.
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/24/rossi_s_dilemma_15_million_euros_at_duca.html
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
iT CANNOT BE, everyone knows that Jorge uses Valentino's set up, without Vale around to develope the bike, Jorge is nothing!
pretty weird that lorenzo is worrying about development on the bike stagnating...does that mean he's worried if rossi leaves seeing as rossi has been the main developer of the m1? or am i just reading too much into it?
Joined Jul 2006
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exactamundo..
Crazy Jorge cant dev a bike as well as Rossi...i think not.....kids good but good on Rossi's bike...
Then the rule change in 2012 means a new game..
I was sure there was no chance Rossi would go to Ducati but that motomatters.com article sure does convince me that it's possible and even probable. So Ducati are only offering Rossi 15 mil. Didn't they offer Lorenzo 25? I wonder if the extra money Dorna may kick in would be in addition to the 15 mil. When they offered Lorenzo the ride the Duc looked like a career killer so maybe Nicky gets the other 10mil.
Did Lorenzo already sign for 2 more years and would that affect Rossi's decision. I guess the only thing Rossi could have hoped for would be that big money from HRC or Ducati would lure Lorenzo away.
Anyway, I would love to see Rossi on the Ducati or any of the top 4 guys change seats for that matter. Last years silly season was a big let down
Did Lorenzo already sign for 2 more years and would that affect Rossi's decision. I guess the only thing Rossi could have hoped for would be that big money from HRC or Ducati would lure Lorenzo away.
Anyway, I would love to see Rossi on the Ducati or any of the top 4 guys change seats for that matter. Last years silly season was a big let down
I was sure there was no chance Rossi would go to Ducati but that motomatters.com article sure does convince me that it's possible and even probable. So Ducati are only offering Rossi 15 mil. Didn't they offer Lorenzo 25? I wonder if the extra money Dorna may kick in would be in addition to the 15 mil. When they offered Lorenzo the ride the Duc looked like a career killer so maybe Nicky gets the other 10mil.
Did Lorenzo already sign for 2 more years and would that affect Rossi's decision. I guess the only thing Rossi could have hoped for would be that big money from HRC or Ducati would lure Lorenzo away.
Anyway, I would love to see Rossi on the Ducati or any of the top 4 guys change seats for that matter. Last years silly season was a big let down
Ducati offer to Lorenzo was 7 or 8 million euros last year.
right now, i will be surprised if Rossi doesn't end up signing with Ducati
, let's have the last year top 3 in diferent bikes
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
iT CANNOT BE, everyone knows that Jorge uses Valentino's set up, without Vale around to develope the bike, Jorge is nothing!
Development is one thing, setup another. The first happens mainly in between seasons and in between races, the second during the few practice hours before each race. I have pointed out in another post that although Rossi and Burgess can still be considered the development kings, they have been humbled in the bike setup art, race after race, by Forcada and Lorenzo.
With Rossi and Burgess gone, Lorenzo will be just as fast for a certain time; then, if he and Forcada cannot give the right direction to the development of the bike, he may fall behind the Honda and Ducati riders.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
That is why he says he hopes Rossi stays at Yamaha... to conitnue develop the best bike fior him
even though i'd like to see rossi at ducati, it must be painful to him leaving the bike he has worked so much to and made it so good in the hands of his strongest competitor, then at the same time starting over with a new bike from zero. and due to the much higher level of the challenge lorenzo (and stoner) will put to rossi i think a move to ducati would be more difficult than the yamaha maybe. it would be very difficult beating lorenzo. though if he manages to take a championship some day with ducati, that would be great, having won with so many different bikes.
All this ........ of starting over from zero. The Ducati is a winning bike, although it hasn't won this season. Stoner has shown that it can be very fast (Qatar), and in the hands of the "GOAT" who knows. Rossi could step on the bike and be instantly fast, ala Stoner 07. I'm sure Rossi will want to stay on the Yamaha until 2011 when the rules change and everyone is starting with a new machine. Then the advantage would be back in his court as J4no put it, "developement". I can understand him not wanting to leave the Yam and I for one want to see him challenge Lorenzo on the same equipment, but he has done it before and he can do it again. Now if he was seriously considering the Suzuki then I think we can really see what the Doc is made out of.
Joined Oct 2006
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Tar Heel State
Now if he was seriously considering the Suzuki then I think we can really see what the Doc is made out of.
He's great not God.
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-waiting-for-a-heros-return/P1
Noyes says there is a new rumor in the Italian press that Rossi would even consider HRC if they let him form his own team. I would assume Rossi is considering all his options and obviously the guy could go anywhere but I wonder if Burgess would rather go back to Honda. Didn't Burgess say Ducati was possible but extremely unlikely?
Noyes says there is a new rumor in the Italian press that Rossi would even consider HRC if they let him form his own team. I would assume Rossi is considering all his options and obviously the guy could go anywhere but I wonder if Burgess would rather go back to Honda. Didn't Burgess say Ducati was possible but extremely unlikely?
HRC?? hmm that's even more unlikely than Ducati at least i reckon it is, Stoner is 99% already in HRC, and bringing Rossi aswell seems strange but we will see how all this will end
