Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Are you serious? Rossi would want Burgess and crew to go with him if he has signed a deal with Ducati, it would be very unlikely Rossi would do a deal to go there without Burgess going with him. If by some miracle Rossi signs with Ducati without Burgess the he would be making the biggest mistake of his entire career, so I can't see it happening.
You have mistaken what I said. I said that JB would not be a party to discussions in the early stages and that Rossi would have made up his mind before JB knows anything about it. Not sign a contract but have made up his mind. I said that JB would not be in the first 5 people to know. This does not mean that JB won't be going it just means that he would not have been involved. No big deal.
JB would have to have been involved because as he said he's happy at Yamaha so it wouldn't be a given that he would follow Rossi to Ducati; Rossi would know this so would have had a chat with him about it. Like I said, Rossi has to have Burgess with him to make it work, if he doesn't then he took a bigger hit to his head then he's making out because it would be professional suicide.
Joined Sep 2006
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All the time you have spent on this forum & you refuse to accept the Rossi can sell bikes regardless, see 2006 & 2007. Ago, Doohan, Schwantz etc etc are still on company payroll for a reason, not because it's nice to keep the old boys around. Witness the MV F4 Senna a couple of years ago, & he had been dead for 13 years before that was produced. Reputation & racing pedigree, dare I say even nostalgia are all equally as viable as win on Sunday, Sell on Monday.
You even say it yourself, with the name riders gone no sales. So why drop Rossi, why be afraid to sign Rossi?
Hell, this is all so deeply rooted in crass speculation, he hasn't even sat on a bike again yet. In true powerslide fashion, we are not dealing with solid facts here. You're pissing into the wind my friend.
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
As to their being on the payroll - that's speculation on your part. Schwantz is still active in racing and no doubt gets picks up a check
for his insights into the current racing scene that he is still much a part of. But I don't see any Schwantz or Dooohan replicas for sale out there.
No-one said they should be "afraid" to sign Rossi. Yamaha wanted to keep him around - but didn't value him as much as a younger healthier
Lorenzo. While none of us have seen a signed contract between Rossi and Ducati - it's clear that Yamaha have not bowed to his demands
to dump Lorenzo, nor have they offered him an equal salary. I'm not arguing Rossi's value for PR - but saying simply that Yamaha wants to
win championships. The constructors championship is more important than the racer who wins it. Japanese inter-company rivalry is huge, and Yamaha are very pragmatic when it comes to taking as little risk as possible and and gambling on an injured Rossi is a risk they won't bet the house on. That much is very clear.
Joined Oct 2007
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Tuscany, Italy
Rossi to Ducati,-- yes it's done.
Deciding factor #1 has been the injury, which is making of Lorenzo a world champ and, consequently, an undigestable teammate for next year.
Deciding factor #2 is that already in 2011 the 1000cc will be allowed to race, (and at Ducati they are busy building the 1000cc prototype).
Rossi's move automatically means Lorenzo stays with Yamaha and Stoner goes to Honda.
Honda may let Pedrosa free, and keep Dovi -- or field three bikes.
Pedro, if he has to go, might prefer to take Spies' Yamaha rather than Capirex' Suzuki.
(by the way, I would see Pedrosa as very fast on a Yam M1).
But maybe Honda will keep him.
Capirex to Pramac Ducati (we have known that here in Italy for some time).
Let's hope they announce Rossi's decision soon so we can concentrate on the racing again
Deciding factor #1 has been the injury, which is making of Lorenzo a world champ and, consequently, an undigestable teammate for next year.
Deciding factor #2 is that already in 2011 the 1000cc will be allowed to race, (and at Ducati they are busy building the 1000cc prototype).
Rossi's move automatically means Lorenzo stays with Yamaha and Stoner goes to Honda.
Honda may let Pedrosa free, and keep Dovi -- or field three bikes.
Pedro, if he has to go, might prefer to take Spies' Yamaha rather than Capirex' Suzuki.
(by the way, I would see Pedrosa as very fast on a Yam M1).
But maybe Honda will keep him.
Capirex to Pramac Ducati (we have known that here in Italy for some time).
Let's hope they announce Rossi's decision soon so we can concentrate on the racing again
"Yamaha wanted to keep him around - but didn't value him as much as a younger healthier
Lorenzo" - Younger - undeniably - Healthier - ?????? I do believe Lolo Mach has broken a more bones, damaged more joints than Rossi - even in the brief time he has been in MotoGP
And now to reply to 2 posts with one reply (Gecko - I hope this makes up for my previous 2X "Add Reply"
And as for - Pedro, if he has to go, might prefer to take Spies' Yamaha rather than Capirex' Suzuki - that's close to being a no-brainer - The Suzi is a dog (slow-dog at that)
Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
You're just being obtuse. Lorenzo is all healed up and racing magnificiently. Whereas Rossi is is mostly sitting around waiting for the danger of infection to go away.
How well he'll knit is a big unknown. How long it will take for him to be competitive - is yet another unknown.
In the days of the Shogunate - the local warlords toasted the great samurais and gave them great honors and much wealth - and when the samurais became dissatisfied with the pay or grew distasteful of governent policy - or infirm and likely to be bested by the new kid in town - the shoguns not only cast their own warriors aside like old trash - sometimes they had them killed off just to cut down on expenses. The warlords of MotoGp are every bit as pragmatic. They're not fans of Rossi - they're fans of winning.
Joined Sep 2006
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Personally I don't think anything is clear & the press continue to muddy the waters by trying to force an announcement at Catalunya.
Re: Schwantz, I used the word payroll, maybe I should have said "heavily linked".
Joined Sep 2006
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Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
Joined Sep 2006
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Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
Well when it's announced I'll believe it
And we'll all move on to the next round of silly season speculations.
should rename the forum in order to realistically reflect the majority of the discussions here.
BTW - nice choice of Mifune pictures and quote. Been a BIG fan of him and Tatsuya Nakadai and all the Kurosawa films since my early teens. I had a cat named Toshiro.
Cheers,
K
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
Well when it's announced I'll believe it
Well thr trouble this year is that the media seems hellbent on their "exclusives" and are already "anouncing" it every other day
SO its getting to the point that even when they do "officially" anounce it one has to think .... will it be a case of "I will believe it when I see it"
As a Spies fan I would have much rather seen Lorenzo go and Rossi stay. Much better long term prospects for Spies to be THE man on the team once Rossi retired...unless he switches rides Spies will play step brother to Lorenzo as long as Lorenzo is around.
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