It would be funny as .... if casey went to fiat Yam and Rossi went to Ducati. It would be like biaggi all over again
It would be funny as .... if casey went to fiat Yam and Rossi went to Ducati. It would be like biaggi all over again
Well said.
But i for one can't help worrying.
FIAT Yamaha will be intact me thinks,and Ducati might swop Dovisioso or Pedrosa for Stoner with Repsol.
I reeeeeealy hope not.Ben Spies would be better.
The best is ofcourse if Stoner stays.
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It would be funny as .... if casey went to fiat Yam and Rossi went to Ducati. It would be like biaggi all over again
no biaggi never called in with a tummy ache
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Norah Head
no biaggi never called in with a tummy ache
And never matched Rossi for wins, even with no "tummy ache", and a spot of fishing for good measure!
no biaggi never called in with a tummy ache
If anyone is interested, here in Costa Rica we watch the races live on ESPN, and the commentator for Latin America, his name is Gustavo Morea, said on Sunday while narrating the Silverstone Moto GP race, that IT IS A FACT that Honda has signed Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi will ride for Ducati next season, with Ben Spies taking his seat at the official team.
I know it's nothing new, but maybe you would like to know that in Latin America is almost confirmed the version that has already been around.
Thanks
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Norah Head
It would be funny as .... if casey went to fiat Yam and Rossi went to Ducati. It would be like biaggi all over again
So now you are saying Rossi is the new Biaggi !!
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Norah Head
even though its all being played down, its got a lot of momentum, which makes me think it may actually have been a done deal some time ago. Eg. about the time of the attempted Lorenzo signing. ??? who knows ....... in any case its not worth losing any sleep over, next year will play out as it does no matter how much speculation occurs
I think that JB will avoid the question and be deliberately misleading because it is not his place to release to the world where Rossi will be riding next year. I also think that JB will not be amongst the first 4 or 5 people who know Rossi's decision. He may know before a contract but Rossi is arrogant enough that he will make the decision and then expect everyone to fall into line.
I still don't think that Rossi will go to Ducati. I can not for the life of me come up with a suitable and rational reason for him to do it. I can come up with many rational reason why he won't do it with the primary one being the risk to his legacy. The other reason is I think it will be very hard for Rossi and JB to make the bike like a Yamaha as the did when they went to Yamaha and made it like a Honda. The Ducati is a totally different bike in every way apart from the fact that it has 2 wheels a motor and handlebars. Honda and Yamaha have been building chassis basically the same way for 10 years or more and this is all Rossi has ridden and JB has tuned. Two Carbon Fibre sections bolted to the front and rear of the motor with no chassis in between is a totally different game and the risk is that they can not make it the precise instrument that Rossi requires.
I still don't think that Rossi will go to Ducati. I can not for the life of me come up with a suitable and rational reason for him to do it. I can come up with many rational reason why he won't do it with the primary one being the risk to his legacy. The other reason is I think it will be very hard for Rossi and JB to make the bike like a Yamaha as the did when they went to Yamaha and made it like a Honda. The Ducati is a totally different bike in every way apart from the fact that it has 2 wheels a motor and handlebars. Honda and Yamaha have been building chassis basically the same way for 10 years or more and this is all Rossi has ridden and JB has tuned. Two Carbon Fibre sections bolted to the front and rear of the motor with no chassis in between is a totally different game and the risk is that they can not make it the precise instrument that Rossi requires.
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....... in any case its not worth losing any sleep over, next year will play out as it does no matter how much speculation occurs
I'm in total agreement with you, BM. Wow I'm going outside and checking for flying pigs...
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Leading
What Rossi required Ducati to be in discussions in 2003 is common knowledge. He won't move unless they can guarantee structure changes, structure changes which have already been happening to an extent. The flexibility of the team he found at Yamaha has to be matched at Ducati. To paraphrase Rossi, if the bike still comes before the rider (as it did in 2003 & as it did at Honda), there is no point. How is it arrogant to expect a winning team to want to stay together?
The reason for him to sign for Ducati is that the flexibility of Yamaha has been compromised by the arrival of Lorenzo. He quite obviously feels it needs to be a one man show, & yet Yamaha have got one eye on the future (or maybe the present) in signing Jorge. Where else is Rossi going to set up a successful one man show? Suzuki? No. Ducati? If they are willing to change.
I still think he signed a Yamaha contract on 4th June.
What Rossi required Ducati to be in discussions in 2003 is common knowledge. He won't move unless they can guarantee structure changes, structure changes which have already been happening to an extent. The flexibility of the team he found at Yamaha has to be matched at Ducati. To paraphrase Rossi, if the bike still comes before the rider (as it did in 2003 & as it did at Honda), there is no point. How is it arrogant to expect a winning team to want to stay together?
The reason for him to sign for Ducati is that the flexibility of Yamaha has been compromised by the arrival of Lorenzo. He quite obviously feels it needs to be a one man show, & yet Yamaha have got one eye on the future (or maybe the present) in signing Jorge. Where else is Rossi going to set up a successful one man show? Suzuki? No. Ducati? If they are willing to change.
I still think he signed a Yamaha contract on 4th June.
Firstly don't be offended by me calling Rossi arrogant as in some cases arrogance is well earned and if anyone has earned the right to be arrogant it is Rossi. Secondly I agree with Rossi that there is only room for one #1 rider in a team.
Your response could very well highlight just why JB and others have said that the movement of the other aliens is dictated by Stoners move. Why? Because Rossi wants to be the only #1 and I think Lorenzo wants to also be the only #1. So if Stoner moves to Honda then Ducati is left with a #2 only and therefore there is a spot for a #1 rider. Rossi will then exert his influence which also has the weight of the MOST successful person in the paddock, Jeremy Burgess, to secure the #1 Yamaha rider status on a 2 year contract with the knowledge that if he turns Ducati down then he knows, and history provides a precedence, that Ducati will throw heaven and earth at Lorenzo to sign him as the #1 rider in red. Spies will be drafted to Fiat as wing man on a slightly less up to date factory bike until Rossi retires or goes to F1 at the end of 2012. Yamaha get the benefit of entering the next era, 1000cc, with Rossi and Burgess developing the bike which should set them up for a good few years of competitiveness into the new era with Spies as their eventual #1 rider. They also get Rossi as a marketing tool for the next decade in Europe and have the America's sewn up with another very marketable rider - Ben Spies.
So now you are saying Rossi is the new Biaggi !!
We all know Barry that you are little bit thick skin upstairs but never knew that you are think enough to make above statement
Mcn reporting Ducati to offer Hayden new deal
Ducati hayden offer
He will have to settle to being number 2 to Rossi again.
Ducati hayden offer
He will have to settle to being number 2 to Rossi again.
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Your Mom's House
If not Rossi, somebody. Yeah, no .... Ducati want to keep him, they have him to thank for making it ridable for mere humans ready for whoever stupid .... they hire to quickly kick Nicky to the back seat. If only one of these factories would just develop and support around him they would see the guy will come through. But for the record, I seriously doubt Rossi will risk coming to Ducati and leave Lorenzo at Yamaha. But then again, if Hayden develops the bike into a Yamaha by year's end, then we just may see Rossi on the Duc. Hayden is destined to be the back seat whipping boy of factories.
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Since this is MCN, can this be confirmed? Not that it really matters, I do believe Ducati want to keep Nicky, he has a great work ethic and does seem to know how to devlope a bike. Who knows how Nicky will do with a displacement increase, although it sounds like Dorna is cutting the nuts off that dog before it can hunt.
I don't think Hayden had anything to do with the development of this bike. He complained quietly but consistently that the Ducati had no throttle "connection" whatsoever with the screamer engine. That problem has been addressed with the big bang configuration and the new software management. Nick can develop a bike, but he's said this season that the bike isn't significantly different, he just has a better understanding of how it works.
The Ducati still needs a lot of work. Everyone at Eurosport was reporting that the bike is actually too easy on the tires which is preventing the riders from generating the necessary heat (hence the soft compound on the rear tire in the last 2 races). At some point they will have to make some additional chassis modifications to get things working properly. Hayden's size and his reputation for torturing tires is actually coming in handy. It's not working out so well for Casey.
I personally would love to see Rossi go Duc. without JB, it would disperse/disolve the Boppers like a melted ice cream in the rain, and GP would get back to racing not "Teeny Bopping"
That's what you wish to see, but i,m sure if Rossi goes to Ducati and J.B goes to work with Stoner or Lorenzo or whoever Rossi will be able to beat them surely. and then i,m sure you will find another reasons for his wins.
I know and believe J.B is one of the best (if not the best) in his own job, and he would/could have win other titles without Rossi, and at the same time i believe Rossi would/could have win without him, but with working with eachother they have won more for both of them.
J.B has said it himself many times that at the end of the day it is Rossi who is winning the races and not him or anyone else for that matter. I know this is a team sport, but every other rider has a team at his service. if you believe Doohan and Rossi have ONLY won because of him, then i have to tell you Rossi and Doohan are not like everyother rider.
dont you know Rossi had won 2 titles before working with J.B, or am i making a mistake and J.B came to his rescue there too?
