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Norah Head
Um ........ JB has many more titles than Rossi
Rossi is merely JB's 4th "golden child"
No, Rossi would do diddly at Duc without JB.
Um ........ JB has many more titles than Rossi
Rossi is merely JB's 4th "golden child"
No, Rossi would do diddly at Duc without JB.
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Norah Head
Have you had a look at the back of your neck lately!! Have a look and tell us what colour it is
Um ........ JB has many more titles than RossiYou need to research "who" he may have handled before Rossi or the several "who's" may be more apt.
Rossi is merely JB's 4th "golden child"He's pretty stunning really, just that he is a very meek person. So folk tend to miss his achievements. But even Hond have said they would have him back, and Duc. have said they would love to have him ...... why? ...... stat.s .... JB = success ( for whomever the rider )
No, Rossi would do diddly at Duc without JB.
and haven't Honda and Ducati said they like to have Rossi as well? or did they mean only if JB comes with him?
and did i say JB only won with Rossi, i named at least Doohan.
of cource JB has more titles, he is much longer in this sport and you cant compare their works together, that's just different. Why dont you ask him to come and work for Casey and let us all see if Casey can win 7 titles in 10 years of working with JB?
i wish we could see all the Riders riding all the bikes, and work with all the teams Equally, i know it's impossible, but if they could make it happen, then we would have a better indication of who is better. but so far Rossi has changed soemthings at least, unlike Doohan who won all his titles with Honda and JB (which you dont have any problem with it and your sure that he was a great rider, so whats his difference with Rossi?). He has changed factory and immediately has won another back to back titles, he has changed tires and won again back to back titles. now you have closed your eyes to these and believe it's only because of JB.
let's wait first for Casey and Jorge to win a few titles on a different bike and tire, before we expect Rossi to win without JB or with his eyes closed or whatever.
if JB and Vale are happy to work together and JB wants to work further with Rossi, then this isn't Rossi's fault.
you didn't answer me, how did Rossi win his 125cc and 250cc titles? did he do it with JB?
after Honda many thought he is finished, but he won and Honda lost everything, and after michelin again they said now michelin will do everything to destroy Rossi but Rossi won and michelin lost Everything.
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Norah Head
Hmmmm .... may all be bull after all
:
last question:
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/in-evidenza/1037-preziosistoner-devessere-avvisato.html
last question:
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/in-evidenza/1037-preziosistoner-devessere-avvisato.html
Hmmmm .... may all be bull after all:
last question:
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/in-evidenza/1037-preziosistoner-devessere-avvisato.html
yes of cource nothing is clear now, and anything can happen.
I usally dont waste my time for predictions in silly season, but since Rossi said a few weeks before his crash that he was almost sure what he wanted to do (what sounded like staying at Yamaha to me) and now that he has crashed and hasn't decided yet (he wanted to decide in June) and JB talking about a very little possibility of his move, i,ve become curious if his crash and losing the championship to Horhay has changed his mind.
I actually dont care which team he will be riding for in next season even if that's Suzuki, as long as he doesn't go to f1.
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
well hmmm
Ducati to offer Nicky Hayden new deal
By Matthew Birt -
MotoGP
22 June 2010 11:59
Ducati will offer Nicky Hayden a new contract for 2011.
The American will be rewarded for his stunning transformation in fortunes with an imminent offer of a new deal.
The 2006 world champion endured a torrid debut season with the Bologna factory last season and came close to the axe as Ducati launched a failed swoop on Yamaha star Jorge Lorenzo.
But Hayden has been the revelation of the 2010 campaign on board Ducati’s new Big Bang GP10.
He has narrowly missed the podium in Qatar, Le Mans and again at last weekend’s exciting British MotoGP at Silverstone having lost a last lap tussle with fellow American Ben Spies.
Ducati’s factory team boss Vittoriano Guareschi told MCN: “ I hope Nicky stays with us. Everybody in Ducati is happy with Nicky. Last year at this moment in the season it was a disaster. But step-by-step the results have been good. I think we will understand next year before Brno. It is important for Ducati and for Nicky to understand the future.”
Hayden has finished fourth in four of the opening five races.
http://tiny.cc/lveke
Ducati to offer Nicky Hayden new deal
By Matthew Birt -
MotoGP
22 June 2010 11:59
Ducati will offer Nicky Hayden a new contract for 2011.
The American will be rewarded for his stunning transformation in fortunes with an imminent offer of a new deal.
The 2006 world champion endured a torrid debut season with the Bologna factory last season and came close to the axe as Ducati launched a failed swoop on Yamaha star Jorge Lorenzo.
But Hayden has been the revelation of the 2010 campaign on board Ducati’s new Big Bang GP10.
He has narrowly missed the podium in Qatar, Le Mans and again at last weekend’s exciting British MotoGP at Silverstone having lost a last lap tussle with fellow American Ben Spies.
Ducati’s factory team boss Vittoriano Guareschi told MCN: “ I hope Nicky stays with us. Everybody in Ducati is happy with Nicky. Last year at this moment in the season it was a disaster. But step-by-step the results have been good. I think we will understand next year before Brno. It is important for Ducati and for Nicky to understand the future.”
Hayden has finished fourth in four of the opening five races.
http://tiny.cc/lveke
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HAS HAYDEN already signed to stay with Ducati for 2011? The 2006 World Champion, whose results on the Italian bike have radically improved in his second year, deflected talk about contracts ... but the omens are good, after team chief Vittoriano Guareschi confirmed at Mugello that they hope to keep the American.
“At this moment I feel I’ve made a big step, and I’m happy here,” said Hayden, who had spent time after Mugello at Misano for World Ducati Week, and had also visited the factory.
“I was in Bologna last week. They would like ... obviously getting on the podium would be better for Ducati and for Marlboro, but we’re working in the right way, so... I’d be happy to stay,” he said.
Pushed further, he said: “”Like every year you’re waiting for the top one or two guys to fall into place. At the moment I’m not really caught up in contract stuff.”
“At this moment I feel I’ve made a big step, and I’m happy here,” said Hayden, who had spent time after Mugello at Misano for World Ducati Week, and had also visited the factory.
“I was in Bologna last week. They would like ... obviously getting on the podium would be better for Ducati and for Marlboro, but we’re working in the right way, so... I’d be happy to stay,” he said.
Pushed further, he said: “”Like every year you’re waiting for the top one or two guys to fall into place. At the moment I’m not really caught up in contract stuff.”
and haven't Honda and Ducati said they like to have Rossi as well? or did they mean only if JB comes with him?
and did i say JB only won with Rossi, i named at least Doohan.
of cource JB has more titles, he is much longer in this sport and you cant compare their works together, that's just different. Why dont you ask him to come and work for Casey and let us all see if Casey can win 7 titles in 10 years of working with JB?
i wish we could see all the Riders riding all the bikes, and work with all the teams Equally, i know it's impossible, but if they could make it happen, then we would have a better indication of who is better. but so far Rossi has changed soemthings at least, unlike Doohan who won all his titles with Honda and JB (which you dont have any problem with it and your sure that he was a great rider, so whats his difference with Rossi?). He has changed factory and immediately has won another back to back titles, he has changed tires and won again back to back titles. now you have closed your eyes to these and believe it's only because of JB.
let's wait first for Casey and Jorge to win a few titles on a different bike and tire, before we expect Rossi to win without JB or with his eyes closed or whatever.
if JB and Vale are happy to work together and JB wants to work further with Rossi, then this isn't Rossi's fault.
you didn't answer me, how did Rossi win his 125cc and 250cc titles? did he do it with JB?
after Honda many thought he is finished, but he won and Honda lost everything, and after michelin again they said now michelin will do everything to destroy Rossi but Rossi won and michelin lost Everything.
So, do you think that Rossi would have won in 2004 on Yamaha if he had not taken JB and the whole crew with him? I bet you would find it hard to find a single knowledgeable insider who would say with a resounding YES Rossi would have won.
The Bopper clearly believes that Rossi does it all. He lead the engineering team to develop next years bike hell he even gets on CAD and designs the thing. He mixes the tyre compounds up. He gets on the tools and tunes the bike up, he even pulls it down and rebuilds it. He is a very skilled software programmer and could have added considerably to the whole gyro debate that raged on here. He fuels it up after telling the petrol company how they should mix the fuel, he selects the recipe for the oil. Then after doing all this he gets on and rides it.
Here is a little bit of inside info for the bopper. IT IS A TEAM SPORT and he who has the best team has the best chance of winning.
JB is not the most successful person in the paddock because he lucked into having the best riders and Rossi does not have 7 Premier class titles JUST because he is a great rider.
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Leading
No no, you've got it all wrong, he just gets on & rides it. All that other stuff don't matter.
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Tuscany, Italy
Things move on, they don't stay forever the same.
I would say Forcada is the current bike setup King.
Where does that leave Jerry Burgess?
One must distinguish between bike development and race setup: they are two very different things. I would say that Burgess and Rossi excel in bike development, whereas they have been consistently outclassed by Forcada and Lorenzo at the bike setup game since 2009. It is the results that speak...
I would say Forcada is the current bike setup King.
Where does that leave Jerry Burgess?
One must distinguish between bike development and race setup: they are two very different things. I would say that Burgess and Rossi excel in bike development, whereas they have been consistently outclassed by Forcada and Lorenzo at the bike setup game since 2009. It is the results that speak...
Things move on, they don't stay forever the same.
I would say Forcada is the current bike setup King.
Where does that leave Jerry Burgess?
One must distinguish between bike development and race setup: they are two very different things. I would say that Burgess and Rossi excel in bike development, whereas they have been consistently outclassed by Forcada and Lorenzo at the bike setup game since 2009. It is the results that speak...
I've noticed that from the start of probably every FP1 this year, Lorenzo keeps riding and riding until he sets the best or close to best time for that moment of practice. Then he pits, goes out and betters his time, sometimes drastically. Those guys are up to something, it can't be all Lorentho's genius. And he doesn't seem to have any rear grip issues, which is evident in Rossi's case
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Pomona NY
Have you had a look at the back of your neck lately!! Have a look and tell us what colour it is
Have you looked up the expression "Taking the piss" lately? You can find it in the dictionary under "Humor".
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Pomona NY
http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/news/in-evidenza/1037-preziosistoner-devessere-avvisato.html
“I think we have done a tremendous amount of work with Nicky Hayden, and a large part of the credit goes to him. He never gave up, despite the disastrous start to last season. Nicky helped us a lot to develop the bike and understand how to adapt it to his needs, and he is showing a lot in these races."
Filippo Preziosi
And stoner is "raw", a fairly different assessment than in his glory days. Whatever else transpires, it doesn't sound like stoner is going to be at ducati in 2011.
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Norah Head
I did assume as much
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Norah Head
I wondered about that too but who knows, I think Rossi referred to Stoner as "raw speed" some time ago.
and I wasn't sure about the term "Legend" either, it is a term mostly used for those that "have been", which one would wish Duc. would hope for an even better future for Hayden, notthat the best thing about him was his past.
I think one should therefore, not read too much into these interviews.
you just enjoy the pain, then i tell you enjoy it. being bopper isn't better than being a sadomasochist?
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I wondered about that too but who knows, I think Rossi referred to Stoner as "raw speed" some time ago.
and I wasn't sure about the term "Legend" either, it is a term mostly used for those that "have been", which one would wish Duc. would hope for an even better future for Hayden, notthat the best thing about him was his past.
I think one should therefore, not read too much into these interviews.
Most of this comes down to shabby translation in the GpOne site, methinks. No use speculating too much on shades and implications related to words that probably do not reflect the original well.
