Rossi casts doubt over Yamaha future!

During the race today I heard the one announcer say that Rossi wasn't happy about Yamaha giving Jorge the one year contract and he HAD to take the two year deal. Hey anything can happen and who better to teach someone a lesson other than Valentino. I hope he goes to Ducati and makes that bike a better bike. Who knows he may wind up in F1 or worse yet Suzuki. I hope he gets really pissed off about this and has to throw in the towel at Yamaha. Then go home to where he really does belong. Then all of Italy will collectively .... their pants and create the largest fertalizer surplus we have ever seen!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 5 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"I don't know <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%(if I'll change team). I have a year of my contract still to run and then I'll decide what to do,"

"The end of this season and all of the next one risk becoming a torment."

Jumkie mate, that text in parenthesis was added by the media, wasn’t it? Not really said by Rossi and from an Itallian tranlation I think.

And a ‘risk becoming a torment’ has happened in a lot of Teams that have tried Two Top Roosters in the same Coop. Maybe achieved by some Teams rarely, but they are the exception to the rule statistically. It is not like Rossi is the first to ‘Openly’ say it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 5 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>…All riders advocate for themselves, and this is cool and smart as they should; frankly I admire Rossi for doing it as I wished Hayden had more clout to get away with demanding .... too…

According to that, the thing is Rossi moves the Governing Bodies (Dorna, Brigestones, Yamaha) so he must be a great controlling politician too, and not every other Rider is then.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 5 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some of you guys may not remember a TV show called Laverne and Shirley.

Compa, you are damn old! ‘Laverne and Shirley’? If you had come out with an ‘I love Lucy’ video that would have done it! I cannot believe I remember them Comedies.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 5 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi damn near ran me over

I am starting to believe you like being ran over…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 5 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You see, VR has not achieved 123 all class wins yet, nor 15 championships as has Agostini. So, if scoreboards count for all, then he is not the GOAT and again, this is specifically in reference to the comments I had quoted, thus you need to look at that context.

Gaz

Cool bro!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why are you even entertaining this point? It’s just a deflection by J4rno. Who cares about sexual orientation, it’s just a stupid ongoing joke to ruffle the Worshippers.

What do you think of Rossi’s comments on the issue of Lorenzo having equal status on the team? Why are Rossi’s comments on this issue heavily implying to the elimination of his teammate, which happens to be his greatest challenger at the moment? (Don’t get suckered by deflection man.)

^^^"To the victor go the spoils". Rossi is the reigning champ, and unless something crazy happens he will be the champ again. Rossi restored Yamaha to prominence and developed the best bike in the paddock. In my industry we have a term "the biggest dogs eat first". Rossi is deserving of the number one status in the team because he earned it. Lorenzo is phenomenal and will be world champion very soon. If he wants number one status he needs to earn it. He can earn it by becoming champion. You do not earn number one status by having a lot of raw talent and speed. Rossi has a very valid point, results are what count, not potential results in the future. If you guys did not have such a hard on about Rossi you would understand his point of view.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 6 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I find it humorous that you had some crybaby opinions about Stoner and now that others are having a go at Rossi for the same reasons, your response is scoreboard. I suppose pointing this out severely hinders my chances at being invited to your 12th birthday party.


I absolutely agree Hayden should have been more vocal about his situation at Honda but that's just how he operates. It's not a trait that I neither like, nor dislike about him. And not to point at you and say "You behave this way!" because you've just explained that you don't basis your judgement of riders on their personalities, but again, I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the 'boppers. "Stoner doesn't like to battle, what a .....!", "Stoner's faking sick, what a .....!", etc.

So why are Valentino's complaints about this issue acceptable? Not necessarily asking you Babel, more rhetorical than anything.


Absolutely, he's not truly worried. Just wants Yamaha on his side after 2010 and make it known that he has the potential to leave if this continues. Not trying to knock Rossi, just the 'boppers.

Crybaby opinions about Stoner, when? My opinions on CS have fostered great debate with several here, if they were 'Crybaby' wouldn't the more 'level-headed' 'Intellectual' types here not have bothered to react.....?

Misano-check the scoreboard again, and I was referencing the other 12-year old haters (and Closet haters..... ) here, so I'm getting out of the sandpit now.

Speaking of sandpits, Nicky's reaction to getting boned wasn't the most reserved. Very childlike and unusual from him bar Estoril 06, raised fist and all! Was he going to rumble Alex?
These are getting a little common now, Marco and Mika, Spies and Fab........hmmmm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 6 2009, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Burgess and his team restored Yamaha to prominence and developed the best bike in the paddock.

fixed that for you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mastodon @ Sep 6 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fixed that for you
^^^Fine, I will give you that. You must add that without a developmental rider of Rossi's calibre they would not have had the necessary input needed to develop the machine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Sep 5 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think most are taking the whole story the wrong way....

ok i will try look at this from both sides, the media can twist things a little itself so how accurate is this story to what he actually said?

i can see why lorenzo wants to be a number one rider along side rossi, and righlty so...he shown his metal and that he can be as fast as rossi but now wants to be more involved, i can also see why rossi is not happy about lorenzo having more say where development goes.

i dont think rossi has a problem with lorenzo being a team mate at all, but what yamaha has agreed to in lorenzo's recent contract he does (and i think rightly so).....i think he doesnt like the idea of lorenzo sharing development as rossi has helped put the m1 where it is today.... of course lorenzo wants his say and also wants to test parts like rossi which is fair but also risky.

is this what rossi meant by saying: "this season and all of the next one risk becoming a torment?"

the bike works aswell for lorenzo as it does for rossi so why risk having 2 main riders giving input and risking development going wrong? its not like its a hayden and pedro situation.. the M1 is compatiable for almost any rider its not like the ducati and lorenzo isnt in the same boat as nicky was.

lorenzo giving feedback to his engineers is a different ballgame from giving feedback from a development point of view i would imagine, so why risk having 2 number one riders giving feedback and ending up with a bike that doesnt work as well on the track?

i dont think rossi is worried about lorenzo being faster, i just think the m1 is in his best interest's and worried that another rider with unproven development skills may make the bike less competative and doesnt want to take that risk.

if lorenzo went to honda he could have been number 1 and developed the machine like rossi is at yamaha, so maybe that would have been a better option if lorenzo wants to feel more wanted.

and im not wearing my rossi glases today but i can see rossi's worry, BUT i can also see lorenzo's want.
i agreed with that

I think there two camps within Yamaha, and not since now, but since 2007.

Look it well, Yamaha is the only manufacturer with two MotoGP team managers, one for each rider: Davide Brivio for Rossi and Daniele Romagnoli for Lorenzo. This situation began in 2008 with the arrival of Lorenzo and the famous Michelin/Bridgestone wall.

The wall was understandable--but why two team managers? Team managers do not get involved with technical complexities, one wall was enough to protect the tyre data.

Retrospectively, it becomes clear. After 2007 some top brass at Yamaha did not believe Valentino could come back to the top (just as many others at that time), so they promptly hired Lorenzo putting all their hopes on him.

At the same time, some others still believed in Rossi and thought it was a little premature hiring another top rider. There was a conflict, with Brivio and Burgess certainly siding with Rossi and other managers siding with the Lorenzo project.

From this split, the two separate teams with separate team managers came into being, with a strong competitive DNA against each other. The new team started with the intention of winning--remember their great start in 2008, interrupted only by Lorenzo's crashes...

They wanted to win and replace Rossi-Burgess from the start. But Lorenzo crashed too much, and Rossi-Burgess staged a great comeback, and now Yamaha have a problem, Rossi has a problem, and Lorenzo too has a problem...

Yup, sometimes there can be too much of a good thing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 7 2009, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>^^^"To the victor go the spoils". You do not earn number one status by having a lot of raw talent and speed. Rossi has a very valid point, results are what count, not potential results in the future. If you guys did not have such a hard on about Rossi you would understand his point of view.

i agree why should lorenzo take advantage of rossis hard work and earn equal number 1 status?
if i was rossi i be pissed off. He went to yamaha and put his career on the line when the bike was .....

HRC: Both Stoner And Rossi Are Welcome To Come Back

After the official announcement earlier today that Dani Pedrosa had signed a one-year contract with Repsol Honda, we predicted that MotoGP's silly season in 2010 would the most frantic ever, as the contracts of all of the Fantastic Four - Pedrosa, Ducati's Casey Stoner, and Yamaha riders Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo - are due to expire at the end of 2010. Little did we realize just how prophetic those words would be, or just how soon the hunt would be opened.

The first hints came in a press conference given by Tetsuo Suzuki, head of HRC, announcing the contract extension of Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso. During the session, Suzuki was asked about Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi. If they were interested in joining Honda, Suzuki said, HRC would be very happy to have them. A statement that seems obvious at first, but given that both Stoner and Rossi have been rather uncomplimentary about HRC since leaving Honda, still an interesting step.

The press conference discussed more than just Honda's rider choice for 2010 and 2011, though. Suzuki-san was asked about the Bridgestone tires, to which he replied that Honda was only getting about 70-80% of the maximum performance out of the tires. He admitted, though, that Honda could hardly go running to the other manufacturers for advice. As for the choice of Ohlins or Showa suspension next year, HRC had not yet made a decision. The testers in Japan had provided contradictory data and opinions, so a decision on 2010 would have to wait.

One burning question was the role of Alberto Puig inside the Repsol Honda team. Had it changed? A little, Suzuki-san told the press. Mike Leitner was the team manager, he said, but Puig was still Pedrosa's manager, and the rumors about HRC wanting to keep Puig out of the garage were not true. As for their personal relationship, "our relationship is not bad," Suzuki said," But we are not friends."

Perhaps the most interesting tidbit came in answer to the number of bikes HRC will field next year. Honda will definitely be running 6 again in 2010. But they could also field 8 bikes if necessary, supporting rumors that both Scot Honda and LCR could receive an extra bike next year, which would guarantee Hiroshi Aoyama a place in MotoGP for 2010. As the Japanese rider is edging closer to taking the title for Honda, their first in the class since Dani Pedrosa won in 2005, that would seem a just reward.



http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/09/...welcome_to.html

Reuters India

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Sep 7 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One burning question was the role of Alberto Puig inside the Repsol Honda team. Had it changed? A little, Suzuki-san told the press. Mike Leitner was the team manager, he said, but Puig was still Pedrosa's manager, and the rumors about HRC wanting to keep Puig out of the garage were not true. As for their personal relationship, "our relationship is not bad," Suzuki said," But we are not friends."


This seemed very funny. Anyway, why are all these powerful executives so scared of Alberto Puig? They obviously don't like him but cave to his every demand.

BTW, yeah, looks like silly season will not end for a while. With Rossi's threatening statements toward Yamaha, he wouldn't dare go anywhere else but Honda or out completely me thinks.

I dont think Rossi is too bothered about the pesky fast spaniard still hanging around as his team mate, i think what really bothers him is the fact that he, burgess & the team have spent the last couple of seasons making the M1 what it is today - The best all round bike on the grid (just as they did the RCV).

Now after 1 good rookie season, giving Fiat Yamaha one heck of a carbon fibre bill, & 30 points behind with only 4 races to go this season he thinks he can get the best factory team in the paddock to do his bidding. I dont think so!!

Having two top riders in the same tram can work if they gell together, Rossi & Lorenazo do anything but gell due to thier respective ego's. Its Lorenzo's ego that is going to be his un-doing i feel.

This may make me sound like another Rossi bopper but im a fan of racing first & foremost. Apart from that they all should be admired for what they and certainly NOT booed as some idiots did to Casey at Donnington & at Misano last weekend to Lorenzo. Without these guys giving Rossi a hard time the champoinchip would be boribng as sin, just as it was back in 2003.

Oh yeah.......Bring back the 990's!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 5 2009, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like that the riders speak out, with anger, excitement, unfairness, exaggeration and frustration.
Understand the situation and the rider and you will know approximately how much to subtract from their statements and the result is something close to the reality.
Absolutely, this is why Rossi is as popular as he is and why Pedrosa is disliked as much as he is. Riders' character is a big thing in this sport and being outspoken helps your cause. Like I said earlier, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the 'boppers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 5 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, it is all cool as if one does look at the all-time scoreboard Rossi is not the GOAT as many claim, ao I would expect that the scoreboard importance varies depending on the cause and argument point at hand.





Gaz
Some of the facts are only important in some of the debates. Like in the past two races, Hayden and Rossi have the same amount of podiums and DNFs.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You sir have won the post of the month award!
He's on a roll, I awarded him the post of the century earlier in the thread.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Sep 6 2009, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You do not earn number one status by having a lot of raw talent and speed.
Unless you're Dani Pedrosa.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Sep 6 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Crybaby opinions about Stoner, when? My opinions on CS have fostered great debate with several here, if they were 'Crybaby' wouldn't the more 'level-headed' 'Intellectual' types here not have bothered to react.....?

Misano-check the scoreboard again, and I was referencing the other 12-year old haters (and Closet haters..... ) here, so I'm getting out of the sandpit now.

Speaking of sandpits, Nicky's reaction to getting boned wasn't the most reserved. Very childlike and unusual from him bar Estoril 06, raised fist and all! Was he going to rumble Alex?
These are getting a little common now, Marco and Mika, Spies and Fab........hmmmm
Apologies, I confused you with another member who I also had an exchange with the in Stoner's illness thread.

It was a poor situation and I was quite upset with what happened. Not that it makes up for anything, but it was the best possible reaction from Hayden as a Hayden fan. Supposedly Nicky confronted him again once the helmets came off but the cameras missed it. It's about time he started acting like he belongs in Grand Prix.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 8 2009, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely, this is why Rossi is as popular as he is and why Pedrosa is disliked as much as he is. Riders' character is a big thing in this sport and being outspoken helps your cause. Like I said earlier, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the 'boppers.

Austin (not having a go at you here) but whilst I agree exactly with you and also Babel's apparent recent change of heart ( ) I have to ask where it leaves Stoner as he is one who says what he feels, in the manners mentioned by Babel as being those that are acceptable, yet many people slam him which supports your hypocrisy comment.

It is something I find interesting (and that applies to all) which is how people's own perceptions and bias can influence their reading of a situation and can often lead to mass doses of hypocrisy and sometimes self realisation.




Now, for my thoughts this is nothing more or less than a Rossi dummy spit intended to insinuate that he feels slighted by Yamaha and as such exert some pressure to ensure that they (Yamaha) continue to massage VR's ego else he will go elsewhere. If you want, nothing more than a warning shot across the bow of the boat.

It is nothing unusual for VR to offer up these type of scenarios (how many times has he 'flirted' with F1 or WRC?) and it is always generally aimed at marketing, influence in preparation for contract time and just to get them thinking about the unthinkable 'what if'.












Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 8 2009, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have to ask where it leaves Stoner as he is one who says what he feels, in the manners mentioned by Babel as being those that are acceptable, yet many people slam him which supports your hypocrisy comment.

It is something I find interesting (and that applies to all) which is how people's own perceptions and bias can influence their reading of a situation and can often lead to mass doses of hypocrisy and sometimes self realisation.

Gaz
Very salient observation... Of course individual perceptions and bias can influence the reading of a situation or more appropriately a statement. I very much enjoy the verbal diarrhea that Colie occasionally spews because of my personal psyche. I enjoy Vale's and Nicky's statements because of my personal psyche. I like Loris' and Toni's statements for the same reason. JT and CS... not so much. I, personally just don't get those two so I often don't get where they are coming from... to ME they often sound like they are talking to hear their own voices...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 8 2009, 02:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin (not having a go at you here) but whilst I agree exactly with you and also Babel's apparent recent change of heart ( ) I have to ask where it leaves Stoner as he is one who says what he feels, in the manners mentioned by Babel as being those that are acceptable, yet many people slam him which supports your hypocrisy comment.


Gaz
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?

You should hear about Pedrosa in the Spanish media, crapping on how greater than great he is, but his numbers do not back him up, so even Spanish fans realize how much it’s Media made and start disliking their Countryman Rider. That may not be obvious straight out to some, but little by little it shows up while not getting achievements as assured by the media.

Without meaning to offend anyone, I think the same happens with Italian media, American media, Australian media, etc. So perhaps putting aside media crap, numbers give a closer sight of reality.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 8 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?

I guess it does make a bit if sense Austin…