Rossi casts doubt over Yamaha future!

Rossi needs to shut up and ride

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Sep 4 2009, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No need for tissues yet Austin, he is still leading the championship by 25 points and i believe from now on he will take alot more calculated approch to the remaing races and only try to push and win on his favroutie tracks.
It would be hard to argue against that logic but I don't believe he's as worried as he leads on. He just wants to scare Yamaha. He'll approach the remaining rounds as he approaches every other, to try and win. And if that's not in the cards, he won't try to make anything too risky and bring home the points. What happened at Indy was a rare lapse of concentration from Rossi and it cost him. He won't make a similar mistake again this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Sep 4 2009, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm really, really, yes really getting tired of Valentino Rossi. I'm a hard core Yamaha fan, but his act is wearing thin about will he or want he leave...the whole left leg dangle thing is stupd also - he' only doing it to block passers...then there is playing cute for the cameras and such - I'm tired of the schtick

it's time for someone else to win the championship...

I wanna see Lorenzo hammer him.....

then Spies can come in (I gotta wait until 2011 now!!) and go at it with Jorge....I like the way those two operate...very intense and focused...


Jeff mabey you should pay more attention to the racing instead of holding your head back and looking up at the ceiling as you fill yourself up with beer for 45mins. Most all the riders are doing that stupid leg dangle thing.

Sweet Jesus on a cross is it Rossi's fault that for most of his career the competion were not able to hold a candle to him. Now we got some of the best racers ever lining up making the GOAT work harder than hes ever had to.

Inam come on, what if CS had come out with something similar. The Rossi fans would be all over this .... and this thread would be 9 stupid pages long already. Let the guys have their moment

Rossi should be worried very worried. Lorenzo is only gonna get better, faster and more experienced on a bike that Rossi and crew has brought from pretty much zero to hero

i think most are taking the whole story the wrong way....

ok i will try look at this from both sides, the media can twist things a little itself so how accurate is this story to what he actually said?

i can see why lorenzo wants to be a number one rider along side rossi, and righlty so...he shown his metal and that he can be as fast as rossi but now wants to be more involved, i can also see why rossi is not happy about lorenzo having more say where development goes.

i dont think rossi has a problem with lorenzo being a team mate at all, but what yamaha has agreed to in lorenzo's recent contract he does (and i think rightly so).....i think he doesnt like the idea of lorenzo sharing development as rossi has helped put the m1 where it is today.... of course lorenzo wants his say and also wants to test parts like rossi which is fair but also risky.

is this what rossi meant by saying: "this season and all of the next one risk becoming a torment?"

the bike works aswell for lorenzo as it does for rossi so why risk having 2 main riders giving input and risking development going wrong? its not like its a hayden and pedro situation.. the M1 is compatiable for almost any rider its not like the ducati and lorenzo isnt in the same boat as nicky was.

lorenzo giving feedback to his engineers is a different ballgame from giving feedback from a development point of view i would imagine, so why risk having 2 number one riders giving feedback and ending up with a bike that doesnt work as well on the track?

i dont think rossi is worried about lorenzo being faster, i just think the m1 is in his best interest's and worried that another rider with unproven development skills may make the bike less competative and doesnt want to take that risk.

if lorenzo went to honda he could have been number 1 and developed the machine like rossi is at yamaha, so maybe that would have been a better option if lorenzo wants to feel more wanted.

and im not wearing my rossi glases today but i can see rossi's worry, BUT i can also see lorenzo's want.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 4 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...and Rossi is voicing his disapproval...

...I recall Rossi saying he was happy with Yamaha and wanted to retire with them...

...So him now saying he may leave is a clear signal to them to get their .... together and start treating him like the only one that matters...

...on the record and behind closed doors...

On the Record and in Open to Public Jumks, how is anything of it 'Behind Closed Doors'?

The hell, Pedrosa crapped on on how he was 'Numero 1' and not Hayden... Everyone is crapping on how Stoner show complain a spiting put at Ducati not treating him as #1 by offering so much money (honey) to Lorenzo... It happens in every team brother, even Edwards is stating how much more he deserves the Tech 3 over Toseland!!!

Give me a break mate. You just try to put on UV Protection ‘Anti-Yellow’ glasses!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 4 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It would be hard to argue against that logic but I don't believe he's as worried as he leads on. He just wants to scare Yamaha. He'll approach the remaining rounds as he approaches every other, to try and win. And if that's not in the cards, he won't try to make anything too risky and bring home the points. What happened at Indy was a rare lapse of concentration from Rossi and it cost him. He won't make a similar mistake again this season.

Ala has spoken!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Sep 5 2009, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think most are taking the whole story the wrong way....

ok i will try look at this from both sides, the media can twist things a little itself so how accurate is this story to what he actually said?

i can see why lorenzo wants to be a number one rider along side rossi, and righlty so...he shown his metal and that he can be as fast as rossi but now wants to be more involved, i can also see why rossi is not happy about lorenzo having more say where development goes.

i dont think rossi has a problem with lorenzo being a team mate at all, but what yamaha has agreed to in lorenzo's recent contract he does (and i think rightly so).....i think he doesnt like the idea of lorenzo sharing development as rossi has helped put the m1 where it is today.... of course lorenzo wants his say and also wants to test parts like rossi which is fair but also risky.

is this what rossi meant by saying: "this season and all of the next one risk becoming a torment?"

the bike works aswell for lorenzo as it does for rossi so why risk having 2 main riders giving input and risking development going wrong? its not like its a hayden and pedro situation.. the M1 is compatiable for almost any rider its not like the ducati and lorenzo isnt in the same boat as nicky was.

lorenzo giving feedback to his engineers is a different ballgame from giving feedback from a development point of view i would imagine, so why risk having 2 number one riders giving feedback and ending up with a bike that doesnt work as well on the track?

i dont think rossi is worried about lorenzo being faster, i just think the m1 is in his best interest's and worried that another rider with unproven development skills may make the bike less competative and doesnt want to take that risk.

if lorenzo went to honda he could have been number 1 and developed the machine like rossi is at yamaha, so maybe that would have been a better option if lorenzo wants to feel more wanted.

and im not wearing my rossi glases today but i can see rossi's worry, BUT i can also see lorenzo's want.
Couldn't agree more.

Oh now I see, most haters did not understand that rider #1 means "the one who develops the bike". They think that #1 simply gets more money and "the best parts" (developed by God in heaven probably...). Great.

What pissed Rossi off is exactly that Yamaha have given Lorenzo a green light to develop the bike. That means Rossi' inputs and requests and Lorenzo's are going to have the same weight.

Now, that pissed Rossi off. But not more than it would have pissed Doohan off! That would piss all of you mindless Rossi haters off

All Rossi fans have to do here is point to the scoreboard, winners win therefore someone has to lose, for some people its easier to hate the gifted through envy than to respect them. When VR goes and JL takes over with the same tactics, then the same clowns who are loving him now will hate him even more than they do VR.

I'm just hoping neither Fiat boys crash this weekend, we need another Catalunya!! And anyone who disputes this is wasting the good earths oxygen.....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78336

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Rossi: Retaining Lorenzo is 'risky'

Let the "Rossi to Ducati" rumors start...in 3...2...1...........

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 5 2009, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Except that certain rider kept his mouth shut. I thought one of the reasons Stoner gets so much hate is because he complains. But when Valentino does it, it's justifiable. I get it now.

That's right and I think it was the wrong move of Hayden to be silent. I know you fans love him for that and his personality and I've come to realize that Hayden is the real deal, that he is actually a nice guy with very few issues at all. But in a world of more or less self absorbed competition that behavior is misinterpretated and becomes part of his problem instead of an advantage a it would be in a normal world. Non the less, his fans surly weren't silent then and now they are the first ones to try to wring out the most of that very strange article from Reuter India !

Besides, except from the sparse information they give us I couldn't care less about what the riders say and how they present it. I mean, it's interesting to put their words into a context and by that maybe read something more out of it but the political correctness, politeness.... is not used by me to rate rider popularity. Something that is reflected by my view of Stoner.
I've been there my self and seen IRL how normally nice guys get totally unreasonable, and how they desperatly try to "manage" their self esteem to the best use when they are out of luck. That's why I generally don't rate riders depending on their behaviour on/near the track.
I also happen to know that the general advise for rider collisions is to walk away from it separate ways and take up disagreements or applogies later when things have calmed down. Others here seem to think that is a terrible rude thing to do and their lack of knowledge seems to affect their view on certain riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Sep 5 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All Rossi fans have to do here is point to the scoreboard, winners win therefore someone has to lose, for some people its easier to hate the gifted through envy than to respect them. When VR goes and JL takes over with the same tactics, then the same clowns who are loving him now will hate him even more than they do VR.
I still don't get where you are coming from with this, valentino is one of the most loved figures in world sport, and it is hard to think of anyone offhand who has a higher percentage of support within their own sport.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 5 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It would be hard to argue against that logic but I don't believe he's as worried as he leads on. He just wants to scare Yamaha. He'll approach the remaining rounds as he approaches every other, to try and win. And if that's not in the cards, he won't try to make anything too risky and bring home the points. What happened at Indy was a rare lapse of concentration from Rossi and it cost him. He won't make a similar mistake again this season.

There you see, we agree 100%, at least on that issue

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Sep 4 2009, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jeff mabey you should pay more attention to the racing instead of holding your head back and looking up at the ceiling as you fill yourself up with beer for 45mins. Most all the riders are doing that stupid leg dangle thing.


holding my head back and loking at the ceiling and drinking beer for 45 minutes? were the .... did that come from?

Rossi is in their head...they are dangling the leg because he does....so their must be something magic about it....if he led practice wearing a diaper and a baby bonnet, others would probably try it too....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Sep 5 2009, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>holding my head back and loking at the ceiling and drinking beer for 45 minutes? were the .... did that come from?

Rossi is in their head...they are dangling the leg because he does....so their must be something magic about it....if he led practice wearing a diaper and a baby bonnet, others would probably try it too....

You put that dangling leg against Rossi, but if everyone else are copying him doing something pointless, who are the ones being stupid?
Don't answer that as it goes without saying, but as you obviously couldn't have observed this I'd say looking at the ceiling drinking beer sounds plausible :-D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 4 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is going to beat his 'fast teammate'

And when Rossi leaves Yamaha, I hope he is replaced by Stoner who will beat the 'fast teammate' even harder
it's nice to dream ........isn't it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Sep 5 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>All Rossi fans have to do here is point to the scoreboard, winners win therefore someone has to lose, for some people its easier to hate the gifted through envy than to respect them. When VR goes and JL takes over with the same tactics, then the same clowns who are loving him now will hate him even more than they do VR.
I find it humorous that you had some crybaby opinions about Stoner and now that others are having a go at Rossi for the same reasons, your response is scoreboard. I suppose pointing this out severely hinders my chances at being invited to your 12th birthday party.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 5 2009, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's right and I think it was the wrong move of Hayden to be silent. I know you fans love him for that and his personality and I've come to realize that Hayden is the real deal, that he is actually a nice guy with very few issues at all. But in a world of more or less self absorbed competition that behavior is misinterpretated and becomes part of his problem instead of an advantage a it would be in a normal world. Non the less, his fans surly weren't silent then and now they are the first ones to try to wring out the most of that very strange article from Reuter India !

Besides, except from the sparse information they give us I couldn't care less about what the riders say and how they present it. I mean, it's interesting to put their words into a context and by that maybe read something more out of it but the political correctness, politeness.... is not used by me to rate rider popularity. Something that is reflected by my view of Stoner.
I've been there my self and seen IRL how normally nice guys get totally unreasonable, and how they desperatly try to "manage" their self esteem to the best use when they are out of luck. That's why I generally don't rate riders depending on their behaviour on/near the track.
I also happen to know that the general advise for rider collisions is to walk away from it separate ways and take up disagreements or applogies later when things have calmed down. Others here seem to think that is a terrible rude thing to do and their lack of knowledge seems to affect their view on certain riders.
I absolutely agree Hayden should have been more vocal about his situation at Honda but that's just how he operates. It's not a trait that I neither like, nor dislike about him. And not to point at you and say "You behave this way!" because you've just explained that you don't basis your judgement of riders on their personalities, but again, I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the 'boppers. "Stoner doesn't like to battle, what a .....!", "Stoner's faking sick, what a .....!", etc.

So why are Valentino's complaints about this issue acceptable? Not necessarily asking you Babel, more rhetorical than anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 5 2009, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There you see, we agree 100%, at least on that issue
Absolutely, he's not truly worried. Just wants Yamaha on his side after 2010 and make it known that he has the potential to leave if this continues. Not trying to knock Rossi, just the 'boppers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 5 2009, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> it's nice to dream ........isn't it.

We'll see who's dreaming and who's awake

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Sep 5 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> it's nice to dream ........isn't it.

I think Jorge will be `the man to beat` in 2010 and Vale knows it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 5 2009, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1.I find it humorous that you had some crybaby opinions about Stoner and now that others are having a go at Rossi for the same reasons, your response is scoreboard. I suppose pointing this out severely hinders my chances at being invited to your 12th birthday party.


2.I absolutely agree Hayden should have been more vocal about his situation at Honda but that's just how he operates.

3. Not trying to knock Rossi, just the 'boppers.

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