Who will challenge Marquez in the future.

JKant · Nov 2, 2016

Gaz said:
I have a few casual bets that he will finish top 2 of the championship within his first contract.

Not big money but a few cases of beer and some fun is on the line, but I genuinely would not be surprised (one of the bets is against a very pro-VR dudette and if JL beat VR in the end of season standings then she has to give up all of her Rossi merchandise for me to dispose of how I wish)

I'd like to see Lorenzo competitive next year or at least the year after. Will certainly make for better racing. That said, you're betting not just on Lorenzo but also on Ducati.

And they're set for a bigger change than any of the other factories when the winglet ban kicks in.

The Desmo's winglets have winglets.

Gaz · Nov 2, 2016

AJV80 said:
I think JL will initially struggle with the Ducati. If his struggles to adapt to the tyres during parts of this season, on a bike he is very familiar with and helped develop to an extent are anything to go by. Then I don't think him adapting to the Ducati as well as the new tyres next season is going to be any easier for him.

When he does get familiar with it though I think he smooth style will best exploit the power of the Ducati and he will do quite well there. I think it will all depend on how long it takes him to get familiar with it and whether he can keep his confidence up if things don't pan out straight away.

But next year he will have one year's more familiarity with the tyres and the tyre behaviour.

Plus Michelin will have 1 year of full data that will be used to develop the tyres and more importantly, they will have 1 years worth of data from each bike at each track to assist the tyre development.

Another plus, Ducati have that extra year familiarity with the electronics and so with an extra year electronics, extra year of tyres and the extra motivation with the change ........... I expect JL may surprise once that initial 3 - 4 race stage is over

Gaz · Nov 2, 2016

JKant said:
I'd like to see Lorenzo competitive next year or at least the year after. Will certainly make for better racing. That said, you're betting not just on Lorenzo but also on Ducati.

And they're set for a bigger change than any of the other factories when the winglet ban kicks in.

Absolutely I expect that they will experience significant effects with the removal of the wings as I have mentioned somewhere, but at the same time JL is used to riding a bike that whilst smooth, likely has less wing impacts than does the Ducati so in some ways he may be moving to Ducati at a good time (a few wins and good results, removal of the wings meaning lessening of impacts etc)

AJV80 · Nov 2, 2016

JKant said:
I'd like to see Lorenzo competitive next year or at least the year after. Will certainly make for better racing. That said, you're betting not just on Lorenzo but also on Ducati.

And they're set for a bigger change than any of the other factories when the winglet ban kicks in.

The Desmo's winglets have winglets.

Its good they banned them when they did or I could see many Ducati riders fitting them to their road bikes claiming that "they make a huge difference" when they ride around at 60kph to the nearest coffee shop.

Dr No · Nov 2, 2016

AJV80 said:
Its good they banned them when they did or I could see many Ducati riders fitting them to their road bikes claiming that "they make a huge difference" when they ride around at 60kph to the nearest coffee shop.

Like Frank Stephenson...before he pretended it was just a trolling exercise.

iNfRaSoNiC · Nov 2, 2016

I really want to see Japan back in the big game...
Is there a promising young and talented rider from Japan ?
I believe except Nakagami (a big question mark here ) unfortunately there is none.

aaronl · Nov 2, 2016

I think Marquez is above all the others and no one will really challenge him for a while or at least that any challengers are not yet in moto3/2/gp.

The current crop of good motogp riders were more or less in 250/125's back as far as 2006 and Lorenzo has made the biggest impact since then, well apart from Stoner. That's been the last ten years, we have some superbike and super sport riders come and go but none have set the place alight as Marquez has done.

I started to follow in 1990, but my father made a bit of noise about Gardeners title and riding, so us Aussies have had something to cheer about for ages or at least as long as I can remember. I'd like to see some Americans back in it also.

My mind boggles at the size of the country, population and the amount of money in the USA that there are no riders coming along. I get it that motorcycle racing is a fringe sport but still, nothing...

pyeman · Nov 3, 2016

AJV80 said:
I know what you mean about the Spaniards, Karel Abraham is coming back and with his raw natural talent I'm sure will give these Spaniards a good touch up and teach them how its done.

Nobody's biting...............

AJV80 · Nov 3, 2016

pyeman said:
Nobody's biting...............

As stupid as I may come across, for someone to believe anyone could actually think that ... they would have to be stupider

pyeman · Nov 3, 2016

AJV80 said:
As stupid as I may come across, for someone to believe anyone could actually think that ... they would have to be stupider

As i said in another thread...at least Rabat's gonna get a riding buddy.

p4p1 · Nov 3, 2016

pyeman said:
As i said in another thread...at least Rabat's gonna get a riding buddy.

I'll probably be in the minority but I actually think he will beat Rabat comfortably.

pyeman · Nov 3, 2016

p4p1 said:
I'll probably be in the minority but I actually think he will beat Rabat comfortably.

It will be interesting to see the battle for last place next year,i would have to agree with you there as i think Rabat is totally out of his depth,that said i don't think rich kid Abraham is much better,i don't see the point in coming back to a class you shouldn't be in to ride around at the back of the field.

AJV80 · Nov 3, 2016

pyeman said:
It will be interesting to see the battle for last place next year,i would have to agree with you there as i think Rabat is totally out of his depth,that said i don't think rich kid Abraham is much better,i don't see the point in coming back to a class you shouldn't be in to ride around at the back of the field.

I think it will be tough call for next year, Rabat is defiantly nowhere near as good as the other guys, but Abraham brings with him a sense of rich spoilt brat entitlement. They will both be fighting each other hard to to try and make bottom place in the championship. Rabat probably has a little more riding skill and will try hard to stay behind Karel and edge him out to clinch last spot with his technique. But Abraham knowing his daddy is paying the bills for the team wont be as hesitant to over rev the engine blowing it sky high or deliberately crash it out of the race should he find himself ahead of Rabat when it comes to the pointy end of the season. Both riders have the skills required to clinch last position in the championship, it'll come down to who wants the wooden spoon more.

Finish line · Nov 4, 2016

AJV80 said:
....Abraham brings with him a sense of rich spoilt brat entitlement...

And Rabat doesn't?

He went trough more family drama but daddy is still loaded and way more known in "social life" than mr. Abraham.

I can't say I know Karel but from what I've heared he is a nice guy.

JKant · Nov 4, 2016

I think we're being a little rough on him.

Sure he isn't MotoGP material (barely Moto2 worthy, if at all), but if Papa Abraham's cash helps Aspar afford a GP16 for Bautista, I'm all for it, as long as he's not dangerous on the track (he's isn't is?)

Besides, he's not that bad. In 2014, he had 11 point scoring finishes (and 7 DNFs) on a RCV1000R. Can't be much worse than Rabat I think.

AJV80 · Nov 4, 2016

Finish line said:
And Rabat doesn't?

He went trough more family drama but daddy is still loaded and way more known in "social life" than mr. Abraham.

I can't say I know Karel but from what I've heared he is a nice guy.

Ive seen interviews with Karel and he does seem a very nice guy and I'm sure he tries his very best. I know money gets rides in racing and many of the young kids in Moto3 and Moto2 have parents that have had to put a 2nd mortgage on their homes to give their kid the opportunity on the right platform for their talent to be seen by the right people. I'm not sure with Rabat but from what you say he may be similar to Karel. With Karel its like he hasn't just bought rides for his entire careeer.

p4p1 · Nov 4, 2016

JKant said:
I think we're being a little rough on him.

Sure he isn't MotoGP material (barely Moto2 worthy, if at all), but if Papa Abraham's cash helps Aspar afford a GP16 for Bautista, I'm all for it, as long as he's not dangerous on the track (he's isn't is?)

Besides, he's not that bad. In 2014, he had 11 point scoring finishes (and 7 DNFs) on a RCV1000R. Can't be much worse than Rabat I think.

I agree he isn't THAT bad. He had a win in moto2 some decent results in the GP. Someone like Mike Jones would be more deserving that either Rabat or Abraham but it doesn't really matter the last half of the grid are guys that are interchangeable and grid fillers that we pretend that are better than guys in other series.

AJV80 · Nov 4, 2016

p4p1 said:
I agree he isn't THAT bad. He had a win in moto2 some decent results in the GP. Someone like Mike Jones would be more deserving that either Rabat or Abraham but it doesn't really matter the last half of the grid are guys that are interchangeable and grid fillers that we pretend that are better than guys in other series.

Thats how i see it, the money Karel brings also go towards the second bike which is a better scenario than not having Aspar compete in 2017.

HelloMars · Nov 4, 2016

I'd say ianone next season would be a surprise. He has proven himself could tame the duc, but just lack of patients and race strategies to last race distance.

I'd say a bit like Casey Stoner in 2011, tame the duc then sign for more friendly bike.

Hopefully

Jumkie · Nov 5, 2016

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