Rossi casts doubt over Yamaha future!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 6 2009, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is the truth. Haters will always find something terribly wrong with Rossi, but that's their problem. They'll even bring Uccio up as a last resort, suggesting Valentino is gay... that's really pathetic in the eyes of all those who know Rossi first-hand even a tiny bit. Have you ever seen Valentino having fun in the discos around Rimini at night? I have. No way he can be gay. He's always in the company of beautiful girls and you can tell he really enjoys them. And Uccio just tries to grab some leftover from his friend
With the modern media as it is, as opposed to rock hudson's day, there is no way a major national or international figure like rossi would be able to conceal being gay even if he did perceive it as a problem being so. It would be irrelevant anyway if he was, and argumentum ad hominem along these lines is particularly peurile in any event. If rossi was worried by this and other criticism which I am sure he isn't the amount of love out there for him is greater by orders of magnitude anyway.

As far as stoner goes, I guess adrianna is fairly good insurance against gay jibes, but he has also suffered in my view fairly extraordinary attacks on his general character and demeanour from a certain element of rossi's fandom (not you obviously) I believe for little reason other than being fairly intense and beating rossi on occasion as did hayden, in whom it would be difficult to detect a character flaw with an electron microscope, before him . Oddly I think rossi seems to quite like stoner, and to respect him as much as he has any competitor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 6 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you ever seen Valentino having fun in the discos around Rimini at night?

If he is "having fun at the disco" thats pretty gay!



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Sep 6 2009, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No way he can be gay. He's always in the company of beautiful girls and you can tell he really enjoys them.

Yep he's gay!, the hot chics allways hang with the gay guys



But in all honesty, who cares if he's gay or not , does it take anything away from the fact that he's a damn good rider ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeff in ohio @ Sep 5 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as I stated others are doing it.....so........well then....I must have seen others doing it....maybe that was while I was grabbing another can of beer and catching glimpses of the TV though...

it's interesting that Rossi seems to utilize the leg dangle more often when comming under heat from others behind him. when in cruise control or running clear in qualifying it does not appear quite as often...or when it does, it is not hanging out quite as far for quite as long....Pedrosa does the same thing - the farther ahead he is of someone, the less often the leg dangles out... so it is not mutually exclusive to Rossi.... even RDP dangles the leg now and again. Stoner has done it and cannot explain what it does if anything at all. It may help them balance and shift their weight better under hard braking as they claim (I'm not drinkin that kool aide)...but it does give the guy behind less room to do anything passing...
Now that was a very long article regarding something we already knew allthough it could be argued that being fast with someone breathing down your neck and being fast riding alone is something entirly different and require different ways and styles of riding. Hence the increased focus on hard braking and use of the left foot dangeling.

But it does not even try to answer why you attack Rossi for doing something useless and in your words stupid, when in fact half the field is doing the same thing and according to you they are simply copying this useless and stupid gesture. Id say that make a lot of others looking more stupid.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Why is it that Rossi boppers tend to attack the person delivering the message rather than debate the issue itself....One of the problems why even I as a Yamaha fan grow weary of Rossi - the yellow muppets that follow him and hang on his every word just get to be plain annoying after awile....the attitude of Rossi fans and how the media plays to him begin to make it easy to tire of it after awile. He's achieving the following status of such organizations as Duke Basketball, Notre Dame Football and New York Yankees Baseball -you either like them...or well......can't stand them anymore.....best shirt I ever saw had the printed message "I hate Notre Dame more than you do"

Well, as I see it you are the one attacking the wrong person. You hate the Rossi fans and attack Rossi for his style. First of all, who are YOU to attack the most successful rider in modern time, telling him he don't know how to ride "correctly"?
You are the one claiming the dangling leg to be useless and stupid and that's a pretty heavy claim. If it is as you say, it would be one of Rossi's most successful mind games ever, and would become legendary for how to play the competition.
Attacking the person? Not really, just putting your statements in the right "environment". It should be easily ignored, instead you choose to pretend being offended and attack that minor part. A good move when you have little or no arguments to support you original statement.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Sep 6 2009, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With the modern media...bla bla bla; gay
Why are you even entertaining this point? It’s just a deflection by J4rno. Who cares about sexual orientation, it’s just a stupid ongoing joke to ruffle the Worshippers.

What do you think of Rossi’s comments on the issue of Lorenzo having equal status on the team? Why are Rossi’s comments on this issue heavily implying to the elimination of his teammate, which happens to be his greatest challenger at the moment? (Don’t get suckered by deflection man.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 6 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It should be easily ignored, instead you choose to pretend being offended and attack that minor part. A good move when you have little or no arguments to support you original statement.
Well you should know, you've made a forum career on the tactic.

So Babel, tell me, which so far I haven't read the explanation from the Apologists, why is Rossi trying to eliminate his worthy teammate? What says you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh c'mon. This is BS. You only "like that the riders speak out" because Rossi is doing it. You don't fool me, even with your peace offering to Stoner in your post. Anybody other than Rossi speaks out and you guys are all over it. And now all of a sudden you like it? Hahaha. Yeah right.

Tell that to somebody who doesn't know you around here 'Mr. Casey uses the most TC regardless of what the man (and even the Pope) says'. oh, did you forget you said that? So Stoner says something and you question it with your eagle eyes as evidence of his fib, but Rossi speaks out and now you "like it when riders speak out"? Wow, your credibility is breathtaking.

Your "writing analysis were probably not your strong part at school was it?
Read it again and you will see that I expect the riders to be unreasonable, even very unreasonable and their "credibility" are "opposite?" proportional with the time-distance from the race/situation.
Close to race you might still retract some information from their stamens you just have to subtract a lot.

And in a way you are right: I defend Rossi BUT in the light of the above knowledge. Knowing he could very well be exaggerating or twisting it, but even so there might be credible information in between.
I seldom defend other riders the same way and of course it make me a Rossi ....er in your eyes, but I can live with that. Besides, you do exactly the same thing in the your own way with your own riders.
The BIG difference is that in addition you take what ever other (selected) riders might say, often in the heat of the moment and make them look as bad as possible. To me that bad, very bad. It shows no real love or respect for the sport it self in general and particulary the best riders in world.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you should know, you've made a forum career on the tactic.

So Babel, tell me, which so far I haven't read the explanation from the Apologists, why is Rossi trying to eliminate his worthy teammate? What says you?
Jumkie you need to watch 2007 formula one season, that will explain what happens when you got 2 top class riders or drivers fighting for championship in a same team.Mclearn got fined few millions euros, bad press, bad atmosphere in the team, driver not talking to each other, driver not talking to team members and on top of that while team mates were fighting against each other some body else snatch the championshiop from them as well. Rossi probably wants to avoid all this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 6 2009, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Read it again and you will see that I expect the riders to be unreasonable, even very unreasonable and their "credibility" are "opposite?" proportional with the time-distance from the race/situation.
Close to race you might still retract some information from their stamens you just have to subtract a lot.
Babel, you are a crack up. I didn't understand .... you said here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And in a way you are right: I defend Rossi BUT in the light of the above knowledge. Knowing he could very well be exaggerating or twisting it, but even so there might be credible information in between.

Here you've done a very good job of covering all the bases. So basically it doesn't matter what Rossi says. .... he can say he just got back form Mars and you'd say, well it might be an exaggeration but then again, its Rossi saying it, so it might be "credible?"

Holy crap!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I seldom defend other riders the same way and of course it make me a Rossi ....er in your eyes, but I can live with that. Besides, you do exactly the same thing in the your own way with your own riders.

Hey, but when they are out of their minds calling for a replacement to their teammate, this makes me wonder why? As you know, I have a bit of experience in this regard.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The BIG difference is that in addition you take what ever other (selected) riders might say, often in the heat of the moment and make them look as bad as possible.

OMG. Babel, I didn't force Rossi to come out and say those things. How am I making him look bad? You are giving me way too much credit. He did that on his own. He looks bad because his statement makes him look like a bully trying to eliminate his worth competition in the most underhanded way. That is very unsportsmanlike and it makes him look like an .... How exactly is that my fault?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>To me that bad, very bad. It shows no real love or respect for the sport it self in general and particulary the best riders in world.

Fish, are you aware what is written on this forum stays there for us to read? Are you seriously trying to take the high road here? "Respect for riders?" Hahaha. Wait wait, remind me who said that Casey Stoner is a liar, and even the Pope's integrity would be in question, since Stoner claimed not to be using the most traction control but you had assessed otherwise? Dude, you basically called the man a stinking liar. Oh, and let me remind you on what evidence. On you, looking and listening to his bike, from beyond the fence at the track. Holy .... man, do you have no touch with reality?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Sep 6 2009, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you need to watch 2007 formula one season, that will explain what happens when you got 2 top class riders or drivers fighting for championship in a same team.Mclearn got fined few millions euros, bad press, bad atmosphere in the team, driver not talking to each other, driver not talking to team members and on top of that while team mates were fighting against each other some body else snatch the championshiop from them as well. Rossi probably wants to avoid all this.

Thanks for the tip inam. I'll check it out. So then this is your explanation? Perhaps Rossi doesn't want to have two equal teammates because this will cause problems in the garage? Ok, I'll buy that just a little. (Actually up to this point, yours is the first attempt to explain the situation Rossi is trying to avoid from your perspective).

So what about this concept, your teammate is the first you try to beat because they are on the same equipment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 6 2009, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
Welcome back Curvy. You've been hiding.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome back Curvy. You've been hiding.

no just not had much free time brother

back on topic...pointless thread

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 6 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no just not had much free time brother

back on topic...pointless thread
You haven't visited out Indy thread. Are you licking your wounds?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Sep 6 2009, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie you need to watch 2007 formula one season, that will explain what happens when you got 2 top class riders or drivers fighting for championship in a same team. McLaren got fined few millions euros, bad press, bad atmosphere in the team, driver not talking to each other, driver not talking to team members and on top of that while team mates were fighting against each other some body else snatch the championship from them as well.

Rossi probably wants to avoid all this.

Hum... That's an interesting take on the situation.
I'd have guessed that Rossi probably wants to avoid getting beaten by his team mate.

The notion that he's valiantly battling to <u>Save the Team!</u> seems somewhat "unlikely," to put it gently.

The success and mutual respect shown by Mladin and Spies over the last few years shows that having two strong riders on one team won't automatically cause the Earth to spiral into the Sun.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You haven't visited out Indy thread. Are you licking your wounds?

i have to

hey check out Randy http://www.justin.tv/losail

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 6 2009, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i have to

hey check out Randy http://www.justin.tv/losail

Bring back push starts. (This will get rid of Dani)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Sep 6 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hum... That's an interesting take on the situation.
I'd have guessed that Rossi probably wants to avoid getting beaten by his team mate.

The notion that he's valiantly battling to <u>Save the Team!</u> seems somewhat "unlikely," to put it gently.

The success and mutual respect shown by Mladin and Spies over the last few years shows that having two strong riders on one team won't automatically cause the Earth to spiral into the Sun.
You sir have won the post of the month award!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 6 2009, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bring back push starts. (This will get rid of Dani)

Dude...i've been saying that since the Lollipop Guild invastion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Fish, are you aware what is written on this forum stays there for us to read? Are you seriously trying to take the high road here? "Respect for riders?" Hahaha.

Up against you I guess I am, but then again, very few show so much hate and disrespect for selected riders as you do. Not counting pinky and the likes that is.
I certainly don't take the high road against the general members here or consider my self being a more worthy motoGP fan in any way, and especially, I don't consider fans to be more or less "true" MotoGP fans depending on witch rider they are fan of or not fan of. To bad you can't say the same, eh?

BTW: How can you even question that I like that the riders speak out? Watch last lap of the 125 race and how Espargo gets head butted by Ianone. Classic "after the crash" dispute and exactly why the riders should go different ways, NOT starting arguments or even appologies. But it sure is entertaining.

OMG, Jumkie.
Rossi's "elimination" of his rival(s) happens on the track, but you can't even accept that when it is broadcast live under your very eyes. Nope, you always insist insinuating he's "cheating" somehow, somewhere, somewhatnot.
Not even Rambo-Jorge Lorenzo himself is remotely suggesting Rossi is playing it unfair. But you do. That's something.




BTW...
Let's hope we have Stoner back soon.
Rossi needs a real rival. This is too easy.