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Rossi and Stoner - What do they really think of each other?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Feb 26 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I already replied to this on another thread. In any case, I sure that what you are looking for is someone to show you an internal memo from Repsol to Honda telling them to treat Pedrosa better. Of course you KNOW no one can come up with that. I guess that it's okay to speculate when your the one doing the speculating. Of course no one will find any hard evidence because all that stuff stays in house, what we can do is use our brains and capacity to reason to look for other kinds of evidence. In other posts you have done this, shouldn't be too hard to do it now.
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I know, 90% of this board is speculative, thats why i am asking what people have based their speculation on because perhaps they know something i don't. From what i have seen to date there i find no reason to believe that Dani is treated preferentially other than the fact that he significantly out performed his team mate in 2007. But even as a Hayden fan i can understand that Nicky wasn't riding well in 07 and that if he doesn't improve he will rightfully lose his job, rather than looking for conspiracy theories and excuses to try and avoid the fact that Dani was a better rider.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Absolutely, do you not agree? Look at Repsol Honda's disasters since mid 2006, i think that is a result of trying to treat two very different but similarly able riders equally. If either one of them was the undisputed team number one, or better yet in a one man team, i think things would have looked better.I most certainly do agree, & I think you can trace it back over the history of motorsport as a practice.

I also think it makes genuine head to head races such as Catalunya 07, or Sachsenring 06, or Sachsenring 03 (?? the one where Gibbers beat Rossi, & Rossi looked Very grumpy) etc etc all the more important for assessing rider skill.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Feb 26 2008, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I most certainly do agree, & I think you can trace it back over the history of motorsport as a practice.

I also think it makes genuine head to head races such as Catalunya 07, or Sachsenring 06, or Sachsenring 03 (?? the one where Gibbers beat Rossi, & Rossi looked Very grumpy) etc etc all the more important for assessing rider skill.

Indeed, i think Sachsenring 2006 was an exelent race for to sum up the Repsol Honda battle that season, given the moves they were both willing to make in that race its hardly surprising that the estoril thing happened.
 
I totally agree.

& I just thought of another head to head worth mentioning: Assen 06, how could we forget that one!! As much as I think Edwards is a great guy, that race summed up both their careers.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Feb 26 2008, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I totally agree.

& I just thought of another head to head worth mentioning: Assen 06, how could we forget that one!! As much as I think Edwards is a great guy, that race summed up both their careers.

Colin - Almost there but falls short on the last hurdle

Nicky - Appears unthreatening but maximises oppertunities presented to him.

Good call
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So if one rider is superior by a significant margin it is no longer head to head because??
ecause the definition of
head-to-head
–adjective
in direct confrontation, opposition, or competition: a head-to-head battle between the two companies.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think all races are a head to head between all riders,
well your wrong ! do you need me to draw you a picture ??
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well your wrong ! do you need me to draw you a picture ??
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Nice open mind you've got there man
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nice open mind you've got there man
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how many people have to disagree with you tom before you concede ? talk about flogging a dead horse
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ecause the definition of
head-to-head
–adjective
in direct confrontation, opposition, or competition: a head-to-head battle between the two companies.
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Well are you saying some riders go out there not to be in direct competion for the win? I'd say I've never seen that.
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How they fair in that direct competition is another matter

eg. Stoner V's Pedrosa ........ they battled but Stoner flogged all comers in The WC

Pedrosa V's Rossi ......... they battled down to the wire for second place in the WC.

I think you are reading that definition in a funny way Rog.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 26 2008, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well are you saying some riders go out there not to be in direct competion for the win? I'd say I've never seen that.
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Alex Hoffman?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how many people have to disagree with you tom before you concede ? talk about flogging a dead horse

....... just don't understand Rog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how many people have to disagree with you tom before you concede ? talk about flogging a dead horse

An unpopular opinion is not a wrong one
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>An unpopular opinion is not a wrong one
it is if your the only one who has that opinion, even the dictionary doesn't back your opinion up.


it really doesn't matter to me tho tom,,,be happy in your ignorance
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it is if your the only one who has that opinion, even the dictionary doesn't back your opinion up.


it really doesn't matter to me tho tom,,,be happy in your ignorance
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it is if your the only one who has that opinion, even the dictionary doesn't back your opinion up.


it really doesn't matter to me tho tom,,,be happy in your ignorance
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>An unpopular opinion is not a wrong one

This is not about popularity but about definitions, and your got the definition wrong.
A redefinition of the phrase would just about make it right, until then your are dead wrong.
Unpopular!
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Otherwise I think you have good arguments reagrding the repsol team. Spot on.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 26 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ecause the definition of
head-to-head
–adjective
in direct confrontation, opposition, or competition: a head-to-head battle between the two companies.
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I hate to speak from the book of Jumkie but lets actually look at the word i am alleged to have defined wrongly. "Direct comfrontation" is the defition, nowhere does it say that this confrontation has to take place within a certain phsyical distance limit, that is just interpretation. Two companies can go head to head, and be in "direct competiton" but to acheive this they don't have to opperate out of the same office, nor do they have to acheive identical revenue. I consider all motogp riders to be going head to head on the track because they operate in the same competative climate for the same outright goal, you may interpret that differently but it doesn't make my understanding any less valid.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 26 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hate to speak from the book of Jumkie but lets actually look at the word i am alleged to have defined wrongly. "Direct comfrontation" is the defition, nowhere does it say that this confrontation has to take place within a certain phsyical distance limit, that is just interpretation. Two companies can go head to head, and be in "direct competiton" but to acheive this they don't have to opperate out of the same office, nor do they have to acheive identical revenue. I consider all motogp riders to be going head to head on the track because they operate in the same competative climate for the same outright goal, you may interpret that differently but it doesn't make my understanding any less valid.
thats gay tom and so are you... gay as in lame
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so by your definition stoner was "head to head " with hoffman or curtis roberts just because there at the same track
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i needed cheering up tomkie,, cheers mate
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