Rossi and Stoner - What do they really think of each other?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz83s @ Feb 22 2008, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A Rossi fan being realistic ..... now i have seen it all .

And why cant a Rookie mix it with the big boys ill go out there to say that Lorenzo will push Stoner & Rossi all the way this year.

And Hayden won the 2006 Championship full stop.

But he was miles away from even being considered a treat last year, and most, even hayden fans strongly doubt he will be a treat this year. Go figure.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz83s @ Feb 22 2008, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And why cant a Rookie mix it with the big boys ill go out there to say that Lorenzo will push Stoner & Rossi all the way this year.

Lorenzo or one of the other rookies may turn out to be a threat. But we're talking about the two best riders (Rossi and Stoner) in motogp. They are PROVEN and are both world champs. The rookies will have to convince us on track.

And Hayden won the 2006 Championship full stop.

This subject has been beaten to death on here. He was the 2006 champ and good for him. In fact I've grown to like the guy alot in the last twelve months. He's reminds me of Beckham, relatively limited talent (and brains) but humble and a hard worker. A true class act.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz83s @ Feb 22 2008, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And why cant a Rookie mix it with the big boys ill go out there to say that Lorenzo will push Stoner & Rossi all the way this year.

Lorenzo or one of the other rookies may turn out to be a threat. But we're talking about the two best riders (Rossi and Stoner) in motogp. They are PROVEN and are both world champs. The rookies will have to convince us on track.

And Hayden won the 2006 Championship full stop.

This subject has been beaten to death on here. He was the 2006 champ and good for him. In fact I've grown to like the guy alot in the last twelve months. He's reminds me of Beckham, limited talent (and brains) but a humble and hard worker. A true class act.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Feb 20 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's not that Hayden isn't a threat, but there is a question about his consistency. This year if Hayden can keep his lap time constant I seriously think he is one to look out for.
I hope your right. haydens' a great rider but i think is under a lot of pressure. has a great bike and now a temate who outshined him last season. I really think its a mental thing for him and i absolutely agree wit the consistency issue

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HondaCbr24 @ Feb 24 2008, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope your right. haydens' a great rider but i think is under a lot of pressure. has a great bike and now a temate who outshined him last season. I really think its a mental thing for him and i absolutely agree wit the consistency issue
He was fairly consistent in 2006. Apart from some bad luck, such as laguna, I think the bike and tyres were his main problems last year. He could go fast for individual laps particularly on qualifying tyres, but what it took for him to go fast on a bike unsuited to him was not consistent with his tyres going the distance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 21 2008, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're kidding right? KR won his title in Rossi's rookie year when Rossi was on a satellite Honda and KR a factory Suzuki.
firstly, the satelite honda rossi rode was prettyt much a factory bike apart from the paint, do you think with doohan by his side he would of had second best ?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 19 2008, 08:48 PM)
No doubt Rossi respects him. This is his first REAL competition since he came into 500/Motogp and I think he's recognized that.
i was commenting on the highlighted bit here. how can you not say krjnr and hayden were not real competition when they beat him ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 25 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>firstly, the satelite honda rossi rode was prettyt much a factory bike apart from the paint, do you think with doohan by his side he would of had second best ?



i was commenting on the highlighted bit here. how can you not say krjnr and hayden were not real competition when they beat him ?

A satellite Honda is NOT a factory Honda. Period.

Come on Roger, Rossi was a rookie for chrissakes. Krjnr certainly hasn't lit up the motorcycling world since then has he? At least Biaggi and Gibernau kept him honest for most of his career. Krjnr hasn't.

I've come to like and respect Hayden but he's not in the same league. Head to head, hayden can't hold his own with Rossi or even Stoner for that matter. Heck, he's having a hard enough time with that ....... Pedrosa!

Yamaha, Michelin and Rossi himself LOST the 2006 championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 25 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've come to like and respect Hayden but he's not in the same league. Head to head, hayden can't hold his own with Rossi or even Stoner for that matter. Heck, he's having a hard enough time with that ....... Pedrosa!

I don't really think you can say that Reel Nauti. Okay Hayden took advantage of every opertunity in 2006 and came out on top, but can you really say that he was given a fair shake my Repsol Honda last year? I mean they pretty much hung him out to dry and focused on Pedrosa which left Hayden between a rock and a hard place.

In any case I think this year will tell since it seems that Honda has realized their mistake and are now focused on helping BOTH their riders. Hayden might just surprise us this year. You have to admit the guy is one hell of a pilot.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 25 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A satellite Honda is NOT a factory Honda. Period.

Come on Roger, Rossi was a rookie for chrissakes. Krjnr certainly hasn't lit up the motorcycling world since then has he? At least Biaggi and Gibernau kept him honest for most of his career. Krjnr hasn't.

I've come to like and respect Hayden but he's not in the same league. Head to head, hayden can't hold his own with Rossi or even Stoner for that matter. Heck, he's having a hard enough time with that ....... Pedrosa!

Yamaha, Michelin and Rossi himself LOST the 2006 championship.
1. i dont care what anyone says , that nastro assuro nsr was a factory bike with full factory support. i mean where were the repsol boys in 2000 ? nowhere !!.

im not taking anything away from rossi in his rookie year, he rode that 500 like a demon, but i think your being unfair towards kenny. you can not say kenny was not a challenge in 2000 because he won the championship..period ! also kenny has never had a good ride since, the 4 stroke suzuki was a bike with a mind of it's own and would spit the rider off for no reason at all then he went to work for his dad where he managed to show us some class on occasion even tho the bike was out classed by the rest of the field. your making out stoner is /was the only real challenge, why ? because he won the 07 championship. that 1 championship just like nicky in 06 and krjr in 2000.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 25 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A satellite Honda is NOT a factory Honda. Period.

Come on Roger, Rossi was a rookie for chrissakes. Krjnr certainly hasn't lit up the motorcycling world since then has he? At least Biaggi and Gibernau kept him honest for most of his career. Krjnr hasn't.

I've come to like and respect Hayden but he's not in the same league. Head to head, hayden can't hold his own with Rossi or even Stoner for that matter. Heck, he's having a hard enough time with that ....... Pedrosa!

Yamaha, Michelin and Rossi himself LOST the 2006 championship.
I wouldn't argue at all with rossi being better than KRJr, or hayden and stoner for that matter at this stage, although further achievements could be in store for both them and him.

However, I take issue with 2 of your points.

As one of my compatriots said in an earlier thread, his satellite honda just happened to have jerry burgess as the race engineer, who oddly had been the engineer for all mick doohan's hrc world championships, and equally coincidentally I am sure was the engineer for rossi's subsequent 3 triumphs for hrc. Second in your first year in the premier class after a few crashes whilst exploring the limits is hardly to be sneered at on any bike though.

Secondly, if you lose you lose, whether the planets were misaligned or whatever. He may have had bad luck, but he probably had good luck previously, although he undoubtedly needed it less than most. He could have been on any bike in the field, but deliberately chose yamaha for his own reasons, and the consequences of this are not anybody else's fault. I could argue that mick doohan would have 7 world championships instead of 5 and hence would be higher in the pantheon than rossi if he hadn't crashed at assen and had bad medical management. However he did crash, and the riders who won the championships in those 2 years didn't, just as hayden didn't in the last race of 2006. Luck, judgement in whom you ride for, mental strength, desire etc have always contributed to the winning of world championships in addition to riding skill, and riding skill includes not crashing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 25 2008, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A satellite Honda is NOT a factory Honda. Period.
You're kidding if you think that wasn't a factory bike!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Feb 25 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're kidding if you think that wasn't a factory bike!

+1 ... It was THE factory bike ... more factory than the Repsols!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 25 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A satellite Honda is NOT a factory Honda. Period.

Come on Roger, Rossi was a rookie for chrissakes.

Rossi's bike in 2000 was full HRC, he had the team that Doohan vacated (the best in the paddock) and it was less than half a season before the development of the NSR was focussed completely around his wishes. If anything not being in repsol colours is an example of the treatment he was already getting above that of normal factory riders, Rossi loves his one man teams.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Feb 25 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hasn't.

I've come to like and respect Hayden but he's not in the same league. Head to head, hayden can't hold his own with Rossi

So you missed Valencia 06 then?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 25 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Secondly, if you lose you lose, whether the planets were misaligned or whatever. He may have had bad luck, but he probably had good luck previously, although he undoubtedly needed it less than most. He could have been on any bike in the field, but deliberately chose yamaha for his own reasons, and the consequences of this are not anybody else's fault. I could argue that mick doohan would have 7 world championships instead of 5 and hence would be higher in the pantheon than rossi if he hadn't crashed at assen and had bad medical management. However he did crash, and the riders who won the championships in those 2 years didn't, just as hayden didn't in the last race of 2006. Luck, judgement in whom you ride for, mental strength, desire etc have always contributed to the winning of world championships in addition to riding skill, and riding skill includes not crashing.

Hell yeah, its just that simple

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 25 2008, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you missed Valencia 06 then?
rossi crashed out and that had nothing to do with hayden, hardly going head to head .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 25 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Luck, judgement in whom you ride for, mental strength, desire etc have always contributed to the winning of world championships in addition to riding skill, and riding skill includes not crashing.

So true!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 25 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...Rossi loves his one man teams.

Come on Tom that's hardly fair to say. If you want to make that comment in anyway fair, I would suport you if you said that ALL riders like having the companies full attention on them, allows them to get everything their way. Hardly a Rossi issue, no matter how hard you try and make it one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 25 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> rossi crashed out and that had nothing to do with hayden, hardly going head to head .
more like head to tarmac.... eeeh

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Feb 25 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Tom that's hardly fair to say. If you want to make that comment in anyway fair, I would suport you if you said that ALL riders like having the companies full attention on them, allows them to get everything their way. Hardly a Rossi issue, no matter how hard you try and make it one.

I would imagine most riders wish they were good enough to get a lot of the things that Rossi has had, he has done a remarkable job of having one man teams or completely un-threatening team mates, there is no doubt about that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 25 2008, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> rossi crashed out and that had nothing to do with hayden, hardly going head to head .

What is more head to head then two riders going into a race with an almost winner-takes all scenario on there hands. The first championship head to head Rossi ever had to deal with, and he lost out.