Respect to Hayden...

ok Nicky had a dismal season...Time will show how hard it truly is to hold on to a title.... Can Casey run at the top next season? Most of the fans on this site expect a champion to win win win every season and that is because all they have experienced is the dominance of Rossi. Rossi is a legend. To do what he has done is unbelievable. There are very few who can do 1/4 of what Rossi has done. A few riders since the early 90's can claim consecutive titles...Rossi, Rainey and Doohan...That's it...

Rossi got exactly what he wanted from his teams. They designed bikes around him. They jumped when he said jump.
Nicky hasn't been given any respect from Honda. They don't want him to be the top rider. They want Pedrosa.
It didn't help that Michelin didn't show up this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Doctor @ Oct 6 2007, 03:27 PM) [snapback]94009[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nicky hasn't been given any respect from Honda. They don't want him to be the top rider. They want Pedrosa.


1000% Agree...HRC will likely make Pedrosa #1 rider of 2008...so Nicky will likely get shafted worse next season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MigsAngel @ Oct 6 2007, 01:13 PM) [snapback]94062[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1000% Agree...HRC will likely make Pedrosa #1 rider of 2008...so Nicky will likely get shafted worse next season.


Here you agree with the Doctor that Hayden is not given the respect he deserves and post that you "agree 1000%" and moreover admit that he will get "shafted worse next season."

Am I or you schizophrenic? Are you the same person that posted this? (Which sounded condescending.)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<div class='quotemain'>It was a shte title defense from a champion that barely won it in the first place...so he is actually riding at normal level for him now...


Where You See Success...I See Execuses....
Hayden is not a Biaggi, so let the blame for losing the title sit on his shoulders and his alone...just like he won the title by his own doing....NOT because he had the best tires and bike in 2006... cool.gif

The only thing Hayden should do now is take off the number 1 plate and go back to the numer 69....HOWEVER, the FIM MotoGP rules state that Nicky can keep the number 1 for the whole year.....but would he want to continue to remind himself of the fact that he could not even call himself champion for complete calendar year?

respect to hayden? he was never in the contest this season. he conceed the title after the 3rd race of the season, wasnt hard to say congratulations when your running mid pack in the championship

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 2 2007, 10:54 PM) [snapback]93627[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Humble, classy, respectful, gracious!

dunno, he may have really squeezed his hand when he shook it and calling him a lucky ....... under his helmet for all we no

probably not, probably meant it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 7 2007, 08:43 AM) [snapback]94103[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Here you agree with the Doctor that Hayden is not given the respect he deserves and post that you "agree 1000%" and moreover admit that he will get "shafted worse next season."

Am I or you schizophrenic? Are you the same person that posted this? (Which sounded condescending.)


I agreed with this statement....'They <span style="color:#CC0000don't want him to be the top rider. They want Pedrosa.'...which put the Nicky will get shafted worse comment into context. And even if the RC212v is and has been a mediocre machine, Nicky should has riding at a higher level...if he is a truly deserving or has the skill of a champion.

Nicky 'the hillbilly' is now riding at normal level, since if he were top flight Legend champion level, a la Rossi, then he would do the best with shte equipment.

How many races has Nicky won this year?

Rossi shte tyres and mediocre or worse bike has won 4 races.

Nicky, World champion 2006, on same tyres as Rossi and on argueably a better bike than the Yamaha has won 0 ...

Nicky is not that bad. Where I disagree with you Migs is that the Honda is a better bike than the Yamaha. The Honda is not the better bike.

As we all know, Honda got caught with their pants down this year. Yamaha's 800cc effort was just a evloution of their exising I-4 platform.
Honda was a total change from the V5 to a V4. They got caught out.

Let's not mention the fact that the Honda was specifically built for Pedrosa. As it is becoming more clear, Motogp is a spectacle based on a lot of things not just pure racing and the best rider wins. It's more beneficial for Honda/Dorna/FIM etc for Pedrosa or Rossi to be front runners not Hayden.

Hayden won the Championship last year and had to negotiate heavily to be considered as a co-#1 with Pedrosa. Considered. I fully believe that the gap between Rossi and the other riders is not as expansive as it seems. Rossi is excellent but Melandri, Hayden etc are able to show him a good wheel or two consistently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Oct 8 2007, 12:39 PM) [snapback]94225[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


Let's not mention the fact that the Honda was specifically built for Pedrosa.

says who? you?


and u dont think its benificial for USA to have a WC? oh they only have a puopluation of 300million and everyone in that country needs either a car or a bike to get around

fact is hayden doesnt have the raw talent of the like of pedrosa, rossi and stoner. who are tier 1 riders. tier 2 you have melandri, hayden, hopkins vermulen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Oct 8 2007, 03:39 AM) [snapback]94225[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Nicky is not that bad. Where I disagree with you Migs is that the Honda is a better bike than the Yamaha. The Honda is not the better bike.

As we all know, Honda got caught with their pants down this year. Yamaha's 800cc effort was just a evloution of their exising I-4 platform.
Honda was a total change from the V5 to a V4. They got caught out.

Let's not mention the fact that the Honda was specifically built for Pedrosa. As it is becoming more clear, Motogp is a spectacle based on a lot of things not just pure racing and the best rider wins. It's more beneficial for Honda/Dorna/FIM etc for Pedrosa or Rossi to be front runners not Hayden.


Hi Duc,
Good arguement. I still don't agree with you about the Yamaha being better than the Honda. I do think you are right Honda did and is building the RC212v for Dani which also suits Elias.

I thought the RC212V was directly based on the 2007 RC211V. The 2007 was an evolution of Nicky's bike that Honda presented as best RC211V ever. Am I wrong? The speculation was that Honda was going to build Dani a special v3 missile which then turned to be the V4 no big leap from the 2006 bike.

I have a theory that Nicky was not supposed to win the title in 2006, and Dani was sloted to win it in 2007. Much to Honda's dismay Nicky emerge in 2007 as a slightly better rider than Dani to win the title, which meant that in 2007 Honda could not focus solely on Dani without losing face. The result is that they build the 2007 based on the 2006 so that it would achieve mediocre results and could then de-support Nicky more and more going forward in the future. So the 2008 bike will be fully built with Dani and Dovi and DeAngelis, and Nicky will find himself falling further and further back in the HRC line up and field.

If I were Nicky I'd start looking for a new job out of Honda from Day 1 of the off season...2008 is going to be a worse year for him than 2007.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 8 2007, 04:03 AM) [snapback]94231[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
fact is hayden doesnt have the raw talent of the like of pedrosa, rossi and stoner. who are tier 1 riders. tier 2 you have melandri, hayden, hopkins vermulen.

I can agree, but disagree about;

- Vermuelen being a tier 2 rider...he is tier 1 watch 2008 for proof
- Hopkins is not a tier 2 rider...he is a tier 3 rider with a lot of sponsors

- Nicky is a tier 2 rider that got really really lucky...and sometime its better to be lucky than good!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Oct 8 2007, 04:03 AM) [snapback]94231[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
says who? you?
and u dont think its benificial for USA to have a WC? oh they only have a puopluation of 300million and everyone in that country needs either a car or a bike to get around


i agree, all this "the bike was designed for pedro" is pure speculation buy his fans.they will say it's a fact. They will say the bike is to small for farmboy yet the dimensions are near identical to the old rc211v that was built way before asimo's time, they will also talk about spanish money yet we all now dorna and more than likely repsol are trying to break into the usa market.

On a good day, no one can beat hayden, he really is that good but for a rider that supposed to be so consistent we dont get to see that often.

how do you work out who is a "tier 1 or 2 rider" pinky ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Oct 8 2007, 09:40 AM) [snapback]94249[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
On a good day, no one can beat hayden, he really is that good but for a rider that supposed to be so consistent we dont get to see that often.

What constitutes a good day?
Rossi's engines blows up, Casey falls down,Pedrosa gets too tired from being too small, CV's Suzuki overheats, Hopkins gets punted into the sandtrap, and RDP knocks down Melandri, Elias, Barros, Capirossi, Edward, Checa and West...and of course the race is at Laguna Seca....That is one good day!

haydens 3 wins in 5 years in motogp, yeah he's had 3 good days in 5 years where "no one can beat him" hahhahaha

i think even his most hardcore fans would agree that his first 3 years on motogp he had the best bike and even in 2006.

and people complain that the 2007 bike was made for pedrosa? do you really think HRC is happy with 3 wins in 5 years? when they are used to rossi and doohan dominating for the past decade.

Elias and Melandri are around the same size as Mini-P ... Hay-boy is the odd one out!

One thing that can always unify the hostility between the new Stoner fans and the old Rossi worshippers is their hate for Hayden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 8 2007, 12:25 PM) [snapback]94290[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
One thing that can always unify the hostility between the new Stoner fans and the old Rossi worshippers is their hate for Hayden.

u noticed that 2 eehhh...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 8 2007, 06:25 PM) [snapback]94290[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
One thing that can always unify the hostility between the new Stoner fans and the old Rossi worshippers is their hate for Hayden.

sorry buddy, just couldn't resist mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 8 2007, 10:37 AM) [snapback]94295[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
u noticed that 2 eehhh...

Roger <strike>Antfan</strike> Pinky

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Oct 8 2007, 11:16 PM) [snapback]94350[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Roger <strike>Antfan</strike> Pinky


oooh, you found our little hiding place, caught with my pants down

Jumkie "wah wah wah, whinge whinge whinge"

Everyone Else "Man Hayden's fans enjoy a sook! Talk about fcking ungrateful, bahaha"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(antfan @ Oct 8 2007, 05:40 PM) [snapback]94364[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Jumkie "wah wah wah, whinge whinge whinge"

Everyone Else "Man Hayden's fans enjoy a sook! Talk about fcking ungrateful, bahaha"

Oh, I'm so offended. Stop it please. Hey, you need to read the rules

Haha, actually Antfan, that was pretty funny. Thanks, great comic relief.

Anyway man, it’s been fun debating you (or have you decided to take up residency in a glass house?) Anyway, look, as I've said, its obvious that some will always look at Hayden's title as “undeserved”, but the fact is he won it. Everything else aside, it came down to one race, and he performed and his rival at the moment didn't. That's all, really. I don’t see why he must be vilified for trying to win a title, even if the other guy crashed, it wasn’t his fault, was it? And for this, it makes sense to give the guy his respect; I mean within the team. I point out that he's not gotten this respect and you go all ape .... about how he is "lucky" and that I am "crying a river". Which I could only imagine what it would have sounded like had it been West that had accomplished the feat. Hell you have been on record saying West would have been all that had he been treated with respect at KTM. Perhaps you now feel like he should have stayed with them despite the 'lack of support' you have sited. I'm basically saying the same thing. The guy won, whether you accept it or not, its in the record book, now at least give him the priority status, at least for a year, which I think, even if there is such a thing as a sub-par title, he deserves.