Primacy Motoraad GP Deutschland Predictions & Race
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unda cheese
what if I came here to read about the race instead of reading people fighting
This is a public place, not a whatsapp group.
You, like Povol, and Michael M, are now part of the problem and directly responsible for the Kancering of the forum.
Instead of calling out Iamaracist for saying ...... things about the forum sweetheart Libby, you said, hey guys, stop fighting. You just gave
Iamahorsesass license to continue to say ...... things.
You get the forum you deserve
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4 thing are certain in this world death, taxes, muslims & motogp.comers will never stop fighting.
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Norah Head
Oh I say! Do shutup Johnny wont you ...... theres a good chap.
You are frightfully droll.
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Not sure I get what you mean.
An elucidation would be appreciated, professor Chaos
Oh I say! Do shutup Johnny wont you ...... theres a good chap.
You are frightfully droll.
Libby requires no condescending paternalistic defence from the likes of me, being more than adequate in her understanding of nuance, as anyone who has followed her posts would expect, to have recognised that perhaps unusually Synn intended a backhanded compliment to MM.
She is a great poster and not at all agenda driven. You should take lessons from her JK.
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Not sure I get what you mean.
An elucidation would be appreciated, professor Chaos
Don't worry. Nobody really knows WTF he's on about, because he doesn't either. Ever since his arch nemesis stopped replying to his posts he has (and Pov predicted this) been simply lashing out at everyone. My guess is he has early onset dementia, as of say about 10 years ago.
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Norah Head
I'm wondering HowTF this "forum he deserves" is going to operate ..... pretty much everyone seems to be non-deservers ..... according to johnny.
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NJ
Some thoughts on the race.
MM is in a world of his own. He's toying with the field in a way that Rossi used to do in another lifetime. I never had any doubts about his ability to pass the Ducati's of Petrucci and Lorenzo, especially when the latter chose to run the soft front tire which was the kiss of death. Marquez is riding hard, but he's not on the limit at all which shows the RCV has improved at least for him. You don't see him backing the bike into corners under heavy braking to get the bike to turn in for the corners the way he has been for the past several years. What was more impressive was once he was in the lead and Rossi started cutting his gap down by a tenth each lap, and when it reached 6/10ths, he suddenly opened the gap up to over a second on the next lap.
He's been sandbagging the entire season so no one really knows what his actual pace is. He spends all of FP2 working on race pace while everyone else is consumed with trying to get to the top of the timesheets. His fastest lap in FP2 was set I believe on the 3rd lap of 27 laps total that he ran. He was three laps shy of full race distance. So he would have known what the tire drop off was in each stage, and runs the race accordingly, then pulls the pin in the last 3rd while everyone else has chewed up their tires for the most part.
Dovizioso has come back to Earth and it's doubtful he will ever repeat 2017 again. I do give him credit for managing to get a decent paycheck out of Ducati which he did deserve after everything.
Not a Rossi fan as everyone knows, but he rode a great race. Electronics problems and everything, he has done a fantastic job of riding around them while keeping his tire wear under control. He has better pace than most of the field which I don't know if it speaks to the quality of the riders on the grid, or if it speaks to some other unknown factor. He's in uncharted territory at 39 years old and is making the most of it even though he doesn't have the speed he had at 25 years old. Sometimes smarts can make up for any speed deficiencies. Though it didn't look like he had any speed deficiencies outside of corner exit acceleration which is a bike problem, not a rider problem. He's only 46 points down on MM, which seems a lot, but I don't think it is insurmountable. He may give MM a run for his money if they get the electronics sorted this year, and two he doesn't tire out down the stretch which is possible when they go to the flyaway races.
Not a fan of Vinales, he finished on the podium yes, but he has no idea how to manage a race. It's a bad sign that he's been in GP this long and can't figure out how to manage a race when conditions are not optimum while his teammate figured out how to do it. I'm of the opinion Yamaha should not have re-signed Vinales and tried to get Lorenzo back. After all the temper tantrums Vinales threw last year including punching the bike at Valencia, I would have booted him right out of the team because he's a hothead who can't deal with adversity. The entire sport is built around the premise of being able to deal with adversity due to ever changing conditions from lap to lap, and he is so easily flustered by adversity. Makes me wonder how he would handle a bike like the RCV that is most decidedly not easy to ride.
Cal Crutchlow, lol. Another race, and another crash. He blamed being in dirty air for his front tire overheating and losing the front end when he crashed. He's another one with a million excuses and can't face adversity when it counts. MM manages riding in dirty air just fine, maybe Crutchlow should learn to do the same thing.
Lorenzo's gamble, if you can call it that, to run the soft front was another head-scratcher. Any time he runs the soft front, it's just a matter of when the tire drops off a cliff and he goes backwards in the order. Should have ran the medium and he might have been in contention for a podium. But I think he knew he couldn't win the race and just wanted to rack up TV time in the lead for as long as he could. I don't know how he will manage on the RCV when the optimal front tire more often than not is hard, and medium secondary. Can't recall the last time any HRC rider ran a soft front.
Overall a solid race albeit predictable and not like the Assen race as many were hoping. Brno is up next when they get back from the break, and Marquez has done very well there so he may be increasing his points lead further. Can't see the Ducati's doing well there because of a lot of the corners. Rossi probably will push MM, and who knows maybe Vinales.
MM is in a world of his own. He's toying with the field in a way that Rossi used to do in another lifetime. I never had any doubts about his ability to pass the Ducati's of Petrucci and Lorenzo, especially when the latter chose to run the soft front tire which was the kiss of death. Marquez is riding hard, but he's not on the limit at all which shows the RCV has improved at least for him. You don't see him backing the bike into corners under heavy braking to get the bike to turn in for the corners the way he has been for the past several years. What was more impressive was once he was in the lead and Rossi started cutting his gap down by a tenth each lap, and when it reached 6/10ths, he suddenly opened the gap up to over a second on the next lap.
He's been sandbagging the entire season so no one really knows what his actual pace is. He spends all of FP2 working on race pace while everyone else is consumed with trying to get to the top of the timesheets. His fastest lap in FP2 was set I believe on the 3rd lap of 27 laps total that he ran. He was three laps shy of full race distance. So he would have known what the tire drop off was in each stage, and runs the race accordingly, then pulls the pin in the last 3rd while everyone else has chewed up their tires for the most part.
Dovizioso has come back to Earth and it's doubtful he will ever repeat 2017 again. I do give him credit for managing to get a decent paycheck out of Ducati which he did deserve after everything.
Not a Rossi fan as everyone knows, but he rode a great race. Electronics problems and everything, he has done a fantastic job of riding around them while keeping his tire wear under control. He has better pace than most of the field which I don't know if it speaks to the quality of the riders on the grid, or if it speaks to some other unknown factor. He's in uncharted territory at 39 years old and is making the most of it even though he doesn't have the speed he had at 25 years old. Sometimes smarts can make up for any speed deficiencies. Though it didn't look like he had any speed deficiencies outside of corner exit acceleration which is a bike problem, not a rider problem. He's only 46 points down on MM, which seems a lot, but I don't think it is insurmountable. He may give MM a run for his money if they get the electronics sorted this year, and two he doesn't tire out down the stretch which is possible when they go to the flyaway races.
Not a fan of Vinales, he finished on the podium yes, but he has no idea how to manage a race. It's a bad sign that he's been in GP this long and can't figure out how to manage a race when conditions are not optimum while his teammate figured out how to do it. I'm of the opinion Yamaha should not have re-signed Vinales and tried to get Lorenzo back. After all the temper tantrums Vinales threw last year including punching the bike at Valencia, I would have booted him right out of the team because he's a hothead who can't deal with adversity. The entire sport is built around the premise of being able to deal with adversity due to ever changing conditions from lap to lap, and he is so easily flustered by adversity. Makes me wonder how he would handle a bike like the RCV that is most decidedly not easy to ride.
Cal Crutchlow, lol. Another race, and another crash. He blamed being in dirty air for his front tire overheating and losing the front end when he crashed. He's another one with a million excuses and can't face adversity when it counts. MM manages riding in dirty air just fine, maybe Crutchlow should learn to do the same thing.
Lorenzo's gamble, if you can call it that, to run the soft front was another head-scratcher. Any time he runs the soft front, it's just a matter of when the tire drops off a cliff and he goes backwards in the order. Should have ran the medium and he might have been in contention for a podium. But I think he knew he couldn't win the race and just wanted to rack up TV time in the lead for as long as he could. I don't know how he will manage on the RCV when the optimal front tire more often than not is hard, and medium secondary. Can't recall the last time any HRC rider ran a soft front.
Overall a solid race albeit predictable and not like the Assen race as many were hoping. Brno is up next when they get back from the break, and Marquez has done very well there so he may be increasing his points lead further. Can't see the Ducati's doing well there because of a lot of the corners. Rossi probably will push MM, and who knows maybe Vinales.
Yup, watched it last night and as soon as I saw the tire choice for Lorenzo, I didn’t see how it was going to work for him. He’s won with the softs before but there are so many variables. I don’t think he’s going for tv time, he is going for the win. It seems every time he starts with hard tires he finishes tenth, so I can understand the soft choice. He’s got to figure out how to make the hardscwork...
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NJ
Oh look, piggyback Wally is back in action.
Probably would kill you if you actually had to talk about racing.
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You're probably too busy bitching and moaning to notice that I discuss racing all the time. Either that or you are too busy taking out your aggression by stomping palmetto bugs. I mean, that's why you moved to Florida, right?
There was BTW, very little really to discuss for the last race. Like you, it was boring and predictable.
If we look at the races left and try and decide if Marquez can extend his lead or Rossi/Vinales can close the gap in each race I would think it would look something like this.
Brno - Marquez has the better form here than both Rossi and Vinales but I think it's anyone's race
Austria - Marquez and the Ducatis should be well ahead of the Yamaha
GB - best race to close the gap though Marquez still has a decent record here and might've won last year
SanM - same above
Aragon - Marquez clear favourite, has an excellent record here
Thailand - track layout should favour Ducati and Marquez over the Yamahas
Japan - same as above though Yamaha has a decent record here so could pull some points back
PI - Marquez favourite but the Yamaha could win.
Malaysia - depends on the weather but I don't think if it's hot or if it's raining. which are the only two options really it doesnt favour the Yamaha over the Ducs or Marquez
Valencia - Marquez favourite to beat both Yamahas
It's going to have to be IMO a huge change in form for Rossi or Vinales to close the gap to Marquez. Even if he crashes out twice I don't see the Yamahas getting more points than him down the stretch given his recent form both this year and the last couple at the majority of these tracks.
Edit to add: I refrained from saying tracks or conditions favoured the Honda because over the year apart from Marquez all other riders have been beaten by Ducati and/or Yamahas at every round with exception of Argentina.
Brno - Marquez has the better form here than both Rossi and Vinales but I think it's anyone's race
Austria - Marquez and the Ducatis should be well ahead of the Yamaha
GB - best race to close the gap though Marquez still has a decent record here and might've won last year
SanM - same above
Aragon - Marquez clear favourite, has an excellent record here
Thailand - track layout should favour Ducati and Marquez over the Yamahas
Japan - same as above though Yamaha has a decent record here so could pull some points back
PI - Marquez favourite but the Yamaha could win.
Malaysia - depends on the weather but I don't think if it's hot or if it's raining. which are the only two options really it doesnt favour the Yamaha over the Ducs or Marquez
Valencia - Marquez favourite to beat both Yamahas
It's going to have to be IMO a huge change in form for Rossi or Vinales to close the gap to Marquez. Even if he crashes out twice I don't see the Yamahas getting more points than him down the stretch given his recent form both this year and the last couple at the majority of these tracks.
Edit to add: I refrained from saying tracks or conditions favoured the Honda because over the year apart from Marquez all other riders have been beaten by Ducati and/or Yamahas at every round with exception of Argentina.
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I don't know, fella, aside from Marc's universally predicted win, there's quite a sub-plot.
Horhay seems to be back to where he was, get out front then drop back, what happened to the winning form?
The yamahas are getting stronger, will they bridge the gap to Marc?
What happened to Dovi, will he get back on track at the horsepower tracks like the Red Bull Ring?
Bautista's refound form, will it be enough to keep him in the big class, or will the SIC/Petronas Yam go to Quatararo?
With all the post-Argentina promise of penalties from Race Direction, should Pol Esp' have been punished.
Whilst I realise that most of these aren't directly from the content of the race itself, they are certainly questions that stem from the race and are note worthy of discussing, (IMHO of course).
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NJ
Unsurpringly basically nothing has changed post-Argentina which was expected by most I think.
You're right, mate, it did turn out to be a bit of a damp squib. Which, to an extent, has weakened the public image of race direction.
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What happened to Dovi is a mystery, but many here, as early as end of season last year, predicted he would not repeat his performance in 2018. Disappointing as that is, it seems to be true.
Most here never thought Lorenzo would get a third win, and it doesn't seem to be the case. He just isn't able to make the tires last and continues to be incapable of dealing with the fact that the Ducati's can't be ridden like a Yamaha. He's not going to be happy on the Markycycle next year either. Nobody much is.
The Yamahas have struggled all season, as they did last year. No surprise there. Their situation is more a topic of it's own, as it's an ongoing situation, rather than a race related event.
Bautista had a great weekend. I loved that. Was a big fan of his in the 250 class, but it was an anomaly. Back to normal after the break I think.
Race direction chaos, nothing new. Same ...., different day.
Interesting topics, but the race per se, not so much.
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