Joined Oct 2006
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Your Mom's House
bluegreen
Well within the rules...yes of course. Buddy, there is a message in my post. That being, rules are arbitrary. The implications, not so obvious, but there nonetheless. The results are not as legitimate as most think. This for example is no different than 20L fuel or engine limit favoring HRC. Sure, u can build a better mouse trap...when the rules are yours. Look at it this way, why didnt we have a rule in 07 and on that all entries must drop a twin-spar chassis and adopt a engine-stress member type chassis? Im just reminding us about the nature of the regulations and how they impact the competition.
Joined Apr 2011
900 Posts | 4+
somewhere else
Day 1 test times.
PosNoRiderBikeTimeDiffDiff previous199Jorge LorenzoYamaha1:31.257 246Valentino RossiYamaha1:31.3500.0930.09336Stefan BradlHonda1:31.7510.4940.401429Andrea IannoneDucati1:31.9250.6680.17454Andrea DoviziosoDucati1:31.9430.6860.018635Cal CrutchlowDucati1:32.0540.7970.111751Michele PirroDucati1:32.6981.4410.644868Yonny HernandezDucati Open1:32.7451.4880.04797Hiroshi AoyamaHonda RCV1000R1:33.0201.7630.2751040Pol EspargaroYamaha1:33.1871.9300.1671145Scott ReddingHonda RCV1000R1:34.1952.9381.0081270Michael LavertyAprilia ART1:34.3783.1210.1831344Martin BauerSuter BMW1:35.1153.8580.7371463Mike Di MeglioFTR Kawasaki1:36.3045.0471.189
PosNoRiderBikeTimeDiffDiff previous199Jorge LorenzoYamaha1:31.257 246Valentino RossiYamaha1:31.3500.0930.09336Stefan BradlHonda1:31.7510.4940.401429Andrea IannoneDucati1:31.9250.6680.17454Andrea DoviziosoDucati1:31.9430.6860.018635Cal CrutchlowDucati1:32.0540.7970.111751Michele PirroDucati1:32.6981.4410.644868Yonny HernandezDucati Open1:32.7451.4880.04797Hiroshi AoyamaHonda RCV1000R1:33.0201.7630.2751040Pol EspargaroYamaha1:33.1871.9300.1671145Scott ReddingHonda RCV1000R1:34.1952.9381.0081270Michael LavertyAprilia ART1:34.3783.1210.1831344Martin BauerSuter BMW1:35.1153.8580.7371463Mike Di MeglioFTR Kawasaki1:36.3045.0471.189
Joined Mar 2010
543 Posts | 1+
Jumkie
Ok, so there is two classess within the championship. Grid fillers or whatever you want to call them, they don't make the results illegitimate. Put it this way, without the new rules, Redding probably wouldn't get a ride, Hayden would be at a dead end at Ducati and Rossi would be able to keep cruising to 4th and you would lose a bet.
The new bikes might not be champioship contenders, but they might at least shake up the complacent middle order.
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Buddy, there is a message in my post. That being, rules are arbitrary. The implications, not so obvious, but there nonetheless. The results are not as legitimate as most think. Im just reminding us about it.
Ok, so there is two classess within the championship. Grid fillers or whatever you want to call them, they don't make the results illegitimate. Put it this way, without the new rules, Redding probably wouldn't get a ride, Hayden would be at a dead end at Ducati and Rossi would be able to keep cruising to 4th and you would lose a bet.
The new bikes might not be champioship contenders, but they might at least shake up the complacent middle order.
Joined Apr 2011
900 Posts | 4+
somewhere else
Joined Mar 2010
543 Posts | 1+
Dr No
Can't say I have particularly liked the rules for some time now. But 2014 is looking to be a good balance between allowing the factories to do their thing, while also helping to field some additional bikes that at least give guys like Redding a chance to learn and prove themselves until Satellite/Factory rides become available, which CRT was clearly failing to do. The Satellite guys will need to push to beat the new bikes, rather than just default in behind the top 4 like they did this year.
Can't say I have particularly liked the rules for some time now. But 2014 is looking to be a good balance between allowing the factories to do their thing, while also helping to field some additional bikes that at least give guys like Redding a chance to learn and prove themselves until Satellite/Factory rides become available, which CRT was clearly failing to do. The Satellite guys will need to push to beat the new bikes, rather than just default in behind the top 4 like they did this year.
Jumkie
Oh for sure, the Parmac bikes won't be on equal footing with each other next year, it'll be interesting to see which one does better and of course we'll have to ask, bike or rider. We won't know. I guess I should have led off my post with "are you surprised?" instead, it would have made more sense.
3681411384238612
Well within the rules...yes of course. Buddy, there is a message in my post. That being, rules are arbitrary. The implications, not so obvious, but there nonetheless. The results are not as legitimate as most think. This for example is no different than 20L fuel or engine limit favoring HRC. Sure, u can build a better mouse trap...when the rules are yours. Look at it this way, why didnt we have a rule in 07 and on that all entries must drop a twin-spar chassis and adopt a engine-stress member type chassis? Im just reminding us about the nature of the regulations and how they impact the competition.
Oh for sure, the Parmac bikes won't be on equal footing with each other next year, it'll be interesting to see which one does better and of course we'll have to ask, bike or rider. We won't know. I guess I should have led off my post with "are you surprised?" instead, it would have made more sense.
Joined Apr 2008
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Out of Nowhere
Joined Feb 2007
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
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