I don't think it's same thing by miles, at Motegi Rossi didn't slow down on purpose and let any other rider's to go passed him and picked the fight up with Lorenzo. IMO vale was wrong but Lorenzo did had big points cushion though.
I don't think it's same thing by miles, at Motegi Rossi didn't slow down on purpose and let any other rider's to go passed him and picked the fight up with Lorenzo. IMO vale was wrong but Lorenzo did had big points cushion though.
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MM ran wide. There's nothing that even supports your implied assertion that MM slowed intentionally to let Lorenzo by.
He has a whole history of running wide throughout the entire season.
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I don't know anything about those incidents. So can't offer a comment. But regarding Rossi, I have been clear. His actions merited an immediate black flag. A race ban. Then when he admitted his intention, a minimum of a year ban.
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Mike Webb: Despite what Marquez said we have relied on our powers of mind reading.
This episode ruined Mike Webb's credibility. You may use his opinion to support the 'fake evidence' against Marc. But there are others out there with equal or far more racing experience who called ........ on Race Direction.
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The fact you believe Rossi was "punished" is laughable (at best). He was issued 3 penalty points! Only because he had 1 prior does he start at the back. 3 points would have seen no effect. This for a deliberate action to cause harm to another fellow participant, something so rarely seen and henious that in a normal world should have resulted in long term suspension, and criminal charges. He used his machine as a weapon to run another competitor off the racing surface. Everything you want to rationalize why he committed this crime is irrelevant!
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Offer proof for this assertion. You have none. Neither did Race Direction. Yet you base this as truth relying on Mike Webb's mind reading.
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Just when I thought this thing couldn't get any worse! Holy ..... CNN just gave a world wide platform to one absolutely insane bopper who organized a like minded mob, a very large mob. This report is overwhelmingly one sided. Religious Extremism at work here with the added benefit it's done in the age of social media where the 4th Estate is hungry for sensationalism and it's duty of examination of truth and decency is dead.
The winners: The Rossi Tyranny, The Cult of Rossi
The personal victims: Marquez and Lorenzo. Their real lives and careers have been ruined. Stoner was right in distancing himself from such a highjacked entity that is the state of GP.
The losers: honest and real MotoGP racing fans and those honest participants.
If anyone has ever looked upon dark episodes in history and wondered how the human specie got to that point, you are seeing a microcosm of how it happens in real time. The wolves are guarding the hen house.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
I call on all of us who agrees with my sentiments to contrast this petition. Sure we are in the minority, it's always been like that in history, but when the ashes have settled, your stand, as small as it may seem, will offer inspiration and hope to others. If at very least register your opinion contrary to this perversion of the sport here.
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Maybe it is me, but I'd rather see guys in the title picture getting raced hard regardless of how it ..... up their title hopes.
There should be no freebie positions given just because a rider happens to be leading the points battle, or is in a fight with another championship contender.
When positions are freely given, it robs the fans as the position is no longer earned. I pay money to see the racers....race. Shocking idea isn't it?
This unwritten rule of not racing someone because they are trying to win a title is a ....... joke, and anyone who moves out of the way is engaging in what amounts to race fixing at the end of the day.
That it is not a written rule tells you why it's a crock of .....
Just like the idiotic notions that come out of MLB's "unwritten rules" such as a dramatic homerun bat flip being deemed as AWFUL because of a bunch of blowhards who still think it is 1890.
There should be no freebie positions given just because a rider happens to be leading the points battle, or is in a fight with another championship contender.
When positions are freely given, it robs the fans as the position is no longer earned. I pay money to see the racers....race. Shocking idea isn't it?
This unwritten rule of not racing someone because they are trying to win a title is a ....... joke, and anyone who moves out of the way is engaging in what amounts to race fixing at the end of the day.
That it is not a written rule tells you why it's a crock of .....
Just like the idiotic notions that come out of MLB's "unwritten rules" such as a dramatic homerun bat flip being deemed as AWFUL because of a bunch of blowhards who still think it is 1890.
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Now that Race Direction has openly said there's essentially nothing wrong a rider attempting to fix the outcome of a race, Pandora's box has been opened. I'd like to believe attempts to fix races were rare before Sepang, but now it's going to be a lot more common unless Dorna creates a new rule.
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You don't KNOW anything. Its a modern day witch hunt! You have no evidence except your religious like faith in Rossi's accusations. Mike Webb possibly suffers from the same ailment with the added pressure that going against Dorna, even his own status, was on the balance. Such is the monster they created when they doctored the sport. This is absolute religious extremism. You have NO MORE knowledge nor evidence nor proof Marquez is a witch as did those accusers had that burned 19 girls in the Salem witch hunts. Produce something substantive, all you've offered so far is Mike Webb going on a hunch, his personal belief, that is his faith, that Marquez is lying.
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How do you know the evidence that Marquez was ....... with Rossi is not in his telemetry data that Mike Webb would of had access to?
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Bro, Your assumption is that when Rossi gives the thumbs up its a cue that they were honest. When Rossi gives the thumbs down the rider should be crucified. Nothing to do with actual intentions ALL TO DO with Rossi's assessment. Marc's life and career has been ruined by Rossi. Its not the first life and career he has ruined either based on such cues.
Don't know how fast, but I do know it was fast 'enough ' to have caused serious bodily harm including death. If you don't believe that friend, the cemetery knows otherwise.
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He never says Rossi's accusations were wrong. Hey J4rn0, you can add his non comments then to your house of cards against Marquez, certainly there is enough there, albeit nothing, to support Marquez' guilt.
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Race Insurrection found Marquez guilty in the EXACT way the accused "witches" were found "guilty"...and murdered for it.The difference is that MM was also found guilty by Race Direction, albeit "not punishable under the rules". You like to gliss over that significant part of Race Direction's conclusions, but it's there. Until you acknowledge it, you are just playing deaf pretending it's only my opinion against yours, but it's not.
What you are saying is that those witches were justly accused and paid the resulting just penalty for their crime. Because, as you reason, they were accused by a entity with authority!
J4no, there is no way around it. You're wrong here.
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How would Mike Webb know?
People have claimed MM was going slower, but this is a guy who has had a lot of front tire issues this year. I've stated I think the RCV is better than was ever admitted to, just that MM couldn't adapt his riding style to the bike in the 1st half of the season.
Everything MM does is off of the front tire.
He rotates the rear of the bike based on how heavy he is braking the front...and we know that rotation is key to how he enters a corner as well as how much speed he carries through the corner. Track surface, temperature, tire compounds, and the synchronization of these things would explain a lot with the ebbs and flows of the entire season for MM. If it's not a perfect match, you have to try and change setup to make up for these things. It would also explain why he isn't always capable of sustaining pace for multiple laps...people seem to think whatever one sets time-wise in qualifying must be repeated, and should be repeated on every lap, or near every lap of the race.
As I've stated, the M1's improved this year as well, enough obviously to knock Honda on their ... for large chunks of the season. What MM now had to do was race harder than he had to (yes he always races hard but he hadn't been pushed into making the sort of mistakes he did this season) in the past, and those moments he had where he could back off the pace a little bit became more infrequent, so the front would be pushed harder than it had in the past...hence the seeming "inconsistency" with lap times that suddenly became a point of contention only after VR started flapping his lips. MM stated the front was overheating in Phillip Island...this is not a huge leap of faith given that he brakes harder than any rider on the grid.
Mike Webb is not privy to every issue that goes on with these machines, and why a rider might be backing off, or anything else that goes on. That's why they have the team of engineers that they do. It's too much for one person to process.
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Is there a sensor or parameter in the telemetry that reads the measure of intent? The notion that the telemetry can offer a smoking gun is laughable at best.
