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Pedrosa shoulder....

Hermano I don't play games. If I said It then I'll apologize cause I don't believe the tc bs to be the truth. He's an amazing talent and the best to look at when on the edged.



Well I play lots of games around here. Most of the time actually, because as you pointed out on another thread, very little intelligent debate happens. But when I see it, I'll join in. Anyway...



Here is your exact quote:



Casey needs Ducatis TC system as much as Ducati needs Casey. Match made in heaven. LINK



Now you have two options, you can weasel your way out of it and start splitting hairs that you really meant something else, or you can stick to your apology above.



What did you mean here? Keep in mind, all I said above was that you thought Stoner's success was due to Ducati's TC (nothing more so don't go adding to it). Which is basically what you are saying above "Casey needs Ducatic TC..." This of course was based on very little evidence, kinda reminds me of Babel. But when Casey finally addressed it, he actually said the opposite, he said he used very little TC. Either way, I've never had a problem even if he did use the most, because TC is just another rider aid like wheele control, electronic suspension, etc. and if he was able to exploit it to its max potential, then good for him. But most people don't even understand what TC really is, most think its just some dial you turn up like the volume of a car radio, but its infinitely more complex. In fact, you can use all you want, but that may actually make you slower. Lots of peeps accused Stoner as if TC was some bad word and he had some unfair advantage. Esco, you mention in another thread along with Woody that you want intelligent debate, no more slagging right? Ok, I'm game. But when you get called on stuff, your reaction above is the one that's appropriate, and I hope I have the same wherewithal to do the same. But most of the time, what happens? I'll challenge or debunk somebody's dear held belief, and then they'll call me a hater. Just like you did. (Would you like me to give you the exact quote too?)



After reading most of his comments it does look like jumkey is a Rossi hater. LINK



So then, you want intelligent debate? What would you like to talk about?
 
Well I play lots of games around here. Most of the time actually, because as you pointed out on another thread, very little intelligent debate happens. But when I see it, I'll join in. Anyway...



Here is your exact quote:







Now you have two options, you can weasel your way out of it and start splitting hairs that you really meant something else, or you can stick to your apology above.



What did you mean here? Keep in mind, all I said above was that you thought Stoner's success was due to Ducati's TC (nothing more so don't go adding to it). Which is basically what you are saying above "Casey needs Ducatic TC..." This of course was based on very little evidence, kinda reminds me of Babel. But when Casey finally addressed it, he actually said the opposite, he said he used very little TC. Either way, I've never had a problem even if he did use the most, because TC is just another rider aid like wheele control, electronic suspension, etc. and if he was able to exploit it to its max potential, then good for him. But most people don't even understand what TC really is, most think its just some dial you turn up like the volume of a car radio, but its infinitely more complex. In fact, you can use all you want, but that may actually make you slower. Lots of peeps accused Stoner as if TC was some bad word and he had some unfair advantage. Esco, you mention in another thread along with Woody that you want intelligent debate, no more slagging right? Ok, I'm game. But when you get called on stuff, your reaction above is the one that's appropriate, and I hope I have the same wherewithal to do the same. But most of the time, what happens? I'll challenge or debunk somebody's dear held belief, and then they'll call me a hater. Just like you did. (Would you like me to give you the exact quote too?)







So then, you want intelligent debate? What would you like to talk about?







Jums I was paraphrasing what Melandri and some here were saying, read it again bud. One thing i have said in the past is that it might be his style thats diff from the rest, but at that time everyone was wondering the same thing, which was how come stoner is fast and the others are not.



On the hater thing... I only say that to get people to stop bashing riders but its not really working.
 
Jums I was paraphrasing what Melandri was saying, read it again bud. One thing i have said in the past is that it might be his style thats diff from the rest, but at that time everyone was wondering the same thing, which was how come stoner is fast and the others are not.



On the hater thing... I only say that to get people to stop bashing riders but its not really working.

Ok buddy, well you half weaseled out of it, the rest was justification.
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Anyway, I think we both have a fair amount of knowledge about the sport, right? We can debate and exchange nice, no problem. Sorry for getting a rise out of you. You've been here a while, so I'm hoping you stick around for the long run. Maybe I should get another forum name. One called Jumkie NV (Nice version) and Jumkie BV (....... version). Then, I could use the MV to talk to you and all the "good" members, and then reserve the BV for Talpa, Rob, Supershit, etc.
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Whatcha think?
 
Races are very few so your right that any type of post should be put fowdard, it does fill the gap between races.



2 jumkie accounts? No way man haha. Do you know how crazy it would be around here with 2 junkies running loose!...
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. It's all good man.
 
Ok buddy, well you half weaseled out of it, the rest was justification.
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Anyway, I think we both have a fair amount of knowledge about the sport, right? We can debate and exchange nice, no problem. Sorry for getting a rise out of you. You've been here a while, so I'm hoping you stick around for the long run. Maybe I should get another forum name. One called Jumkie NV (Nice version) and Jumkie BV (....... version). Then, I could use the MV to talk to you and all the "good" members, and then reserve the BV for Talpa, Rob, Supershit, etc.
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Whatcha think?

"Jumkie NV (Nice version)"



Now that's really an oxy-moron,

Anyway please don't do it - I I'd be totally confused

It would be like having the Old Jumkie we know (well maybe) AND the New Jumkie out of the closet Bopper
 

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