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For me Brad is a top 10 rider in the world but probably not top 5, although a case could be made for him being 5th best given he has finished 4th previously and is currently 5th I believe.

Not too shabby being. A Top 10 rider in the world, and it is hard to rank riders currently with the Ducati being such a dominant bike and there being 8 of them, and Marini iirc winning a sprint race on one. I do rate Marini as a development rider btw.

Imo he hasn’t shown enough raw pace in the dry to be rated higher, given Oliveira has won 5 races (on a KTM)) and Jack Miler has won 4, and the one lap pace Acosta has shown together with actual podiums this year.against 4 GP24 riders and Marc Marquez.
No argument from here. This is all personal preferences. There are no wrong answers I enjoy this kind of debate. I say there are no wrong answers but Morbideli is definitely a wrong answer. But a few years ago people could have argued him in the top 5.
 
Brad Binder is without a shadow of a doubt, a MotoGP World Champion in waiting.

All he needs is a better bike, and some good fortune.

With the current lot as his rivals, he'd be home in South Africa, or Andorra, resting by a braai, a cold lekker beer in one hand, casually nibbling on some biltong.

He wouldn't even need to bother with half of the fly always, he'd be so far ahead in the standings.

The only reason he has fallen off his current bike is because he is literally pushing the Austrian scooter into dimensions never before seen or heard.

Vote for Brad as your rider of the season!
 
I get it. But it was a championship 4 years ago with question marks. Binders wins were more recent. Mir has had zero wins in the time period that Binder got his. So if we are talking current riders and current form I say Binder all day. We all follow other sports. How many teams were good 4 years ago and are .... now? Its not that uncommon. So currently I rank Binder much higher than Mir. Now 2021 I would have ranked Mir higher.
I still rate the 2020 championship over a couple of wins. I'm not saying that Mir rates of Binder. I think that's more arguable. But, if we are talking about career stats, Mir wins out for me.
 
I still rate the 2020 championship over a couple of wins. I'm not saying that Mir rates of Binder. I think that's more arguable. But, if we are talking about career stats, Mir wins out for me.
Career stats ok get that. Anyone got the stats on who has more podiums? But if you are going by top 5 currently I wouldn't put Mir above Binder. I am not a big Mir fan but I was really hoping he didn't stick with Honda as he would be a benefit to the racing somewhere else. .... anywhere else.
 
Brad Binder is without a shadow of a doubt, a MotoGP World Champion in waiting.

All he needs is a better bike, and some good fortune.

With the current lot as his rivals, he'd be home in South Africa, or Andorra, resting by a braai, a cold lekker beer in one hand, casually nibbling on some biltong.

He wouldn't even need to bother with half of the fly always, he'd be so far ahead in the standings.

The only reason he has fallen off his current bike is because he is literally pushing the Austrian scooter into dimensions never before seen or heard.

Vote for Brad as your rider of the season!
Hell yeah brother 🤘🏻

Ons Vir Jou Suid-Afrika!
 
In simple terms the world champion is the best combination of rider/bike/team. If we put all the riders on identical bikes/teams we still wouldn’t have a level playing field as that bike/team would be better suited to some riders than other riders
 
Brad Binder is without a shadow of a doubt, a MotoGP World Champion in waiting.

All he needs is a better bike, and some good fortune.

With the current lot as his rivals, he'd be home in South Africa, or Andorra, resting by a braai, a cold lekker beer in one hand, casually nibbling on some biltong.

He wouldn't even need to bother with half of the fly always, he'd be so far ahead in the standings.

The only reason he has fallen off his current bike is because he is literally pushing the Austrian scooter into dimensions never before seen or heard.

Vote for Brad as your rider of the season!

Part of me thinks this post is sarcasm? A Binder man-crush? Binder will never win a championship. He's 29 years old so time is not on his side. Had he been on a GP24 this year he would not have won it. Put him on a GP25 next year and he wouldn't win it. As far as I know, Gigi isn't going to work for KTM any time soon. For some riders, it's just not in the cards.


Hold on...I have to zip up my fire retardant suit.
 
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BB33 going from 18 to 6 (no DNFs, all overtakes) to finish 5th in the championship and top non-Ducati again.
Not bad for an average rider heh?

SUID-AFRIKA! 🇿🇦
He finished 5th in the second best bike on the grid narrowly beating a rookie who missed a race but was able outperformed him throughout the year.
He’s still well above average but he isn’t a top 5 talent.
 
You mean while finishing 4th or 5th in the championship while better riders were on worse machinery?
I have never really seen him as a potential title winner, but given he is unlikely to land on a Ducati at this stage of his career we will never know I guess. If he keeps finishing 4th or 5th with 8 Ducatis in the field, 4 of them GP24s and one of the GP23s ridden by an historically good rider, and beats the boom rookie on the same bike he is obviously not too shabby though.

Speaking of Acosta this weekend who said it was unnecessary for MM to contest him so hard early in the sprint race, perhaps ignoring that he was also contesting hard, he answered his own question in the Sunday race viz MM didn’t want to be stuck behind him as he progressed backwards down the field
 
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I have never really seen him as a potential title winner, but given he is unlikely to land on a Ducati at this stage of his career we will never know I guess. If he keeps finishing 4th or 5th with 8 Ducatis in the field, 4 of them GP24s and one of the GP23s ridden by an historically good rider, and beats the boom rookie on the same bike he is obviously not too shabby though.

Speaking of Acosta this weekend who said it was unnecessary for MM to contest him so hard early in the sprint race, perhaps ignoring that he was also contesting hard, he answered his own question in the Sunday race viz MM didn’t want to be stuck behind him as he progressed backwards down the field
Make no mistake, I think Binder is an excellent rider. I just don't think he is championship caliber or as good as @Saffa thinks he is.

Now it is obviously hard to evaluate riders, given the different machinery all are on. Next year though, Binder will have, on paper at least his toughest competition that he has ever had on the same bike. If he pants both Mav and Bastiannini over the season then it helps solidify his case as a top 5 rider. But next year despite there only being 3 current spec Ducati's on the grid could be harder to finish in the top 5. Next year the top 2, unless Ducati scores the biggest of own goals should be Pecco and MM. Then guys hunting in that 3-5 range outside of Brad would be Acosta, Martin, DiGi. Throw Fabio in there as well, as someone who is without a doubt top 5 rated in terms of talent.

Acosta would have beaten him in the championship he he was fit to race at Phillip Island GP. That was his own fault of course but Acosta having the front fairing ripped of his bike on Saturday probably cost him the 3 or so points he needed to have more points this year than Binder. Again, you could argue that was an Acosta mistake, but there is some serious amount of bad luck involved to rip off the entire front fairing. I think 99% of the time both Marquez and Acosta would have been fine with that level of contact.

Binder and Mir (at his best) are similar in the way that they might not get the most wins or podiums but there ability (before Mir went to Honda) to keep the bike shiny side up, over the entire season nets them a respectable amount of points while others are throwing away points pushing too hard. It's a smart strategy that collects points for the team and in Mir's case for a world championship.

The big question for next year, for all KTM riders not just Brad is what kind of step will KTM make? I think the proof is in the pudding that the current spec of the KTM was better than the GP23, as Pirro pointed out, the GP23 being designed for the old tyre probably confirms that when put together with the standings. I don't expect the KTM to be better than the new Ducati, I doubt anyone does but can it be better than the GP24? And on that where does Aprilia fit into the ranking? This year, the KTM and Aprilia seemed pretty close with the slight edge to the KTM over the season. The Aprilia had circuits it liked and was better at than the KTM but I think most of the year the pendulum swung the way of KTM.

Alex MarquezGresini Racing MotoGPGresini contract, end of 2026
Maverick VinalesRed Bull KTM Tech3'Multi-year contract'
Enea BastianiniRed Bull KTM Tech3'Multi-year contract'
Marc MarquezDucati Lenovo TeamEnd of 2026
Francesco BagnaiaDucati Lenovo TeamEnd of 2026
Pedro AcostaRed Bull KTM Factory Racing'Multi-year contract'
Brad BinderRed Bull KTM Factory RacingEnd of 2026
Fabio QuartararoMonster Energy Yamaha MotoGPEnd of 2026
Alex RinsMonster Energy Yamaha MotoGPEnd of 2026
Jorge MartinAprilia Racing'Multi-year contract'
Marco BezzecchiAprilia Racing'Multi-year contract'
Ai OguraTrackhouse RacingEnd of 2026
Fabio di GiannantonioPertamina Enduro VR46Ducati contract, 2025 and 2026
Piss poor copy and paste job by me but these are the guys who should be fighting it out for the top 10 next year.
Bolded and underlined are for me the guys who no one else will likely be able to close to given the machinery.
Bolded and italics are guys who regardless of machinery should probably be fighting for top 5.
Bolded only are guys who talent wise should be fighting for top 5 but are on machines that need to improve.
The non bolded guys are ones I see as not having top 5 talent but with the right machinery for them and wrong machinery for others could be dark horses for the top 5 but I expect to be in and around the top 10.
But we will see.

I have nothing against Brad for the record, I just don't rate him as a couple of others do. I also think the current KTM is better than it is being given credit for. It isn't a championship winning bike at the moment but it isn't because it isn't an excellent bike but because the GP24 might be the best GP bike ever built.
 
Make no mistake, I think Binder is an excellent rider. I just don't think he is championship caliber or as good as @Saffa thinks he is.

Now it is obviously hard to evaluate riders, given the different machinery all are on. Next year though, Binder will have, on paper at least his toughest competition that he has ever had on the same bike. If he pants both Mav and Bastiannini over the season then it helps solidify his case as a top 5 rider. But next year despite there only being 3 current spec Ducati's on the grid could be harder to finish in the top 5. Next year the top 2, unless Ducati scores the biggest of own goals should be Pecco and MM. Then guys hunting in that 3-5 range outside of Brad would be Acosta, Martin, DiGi. Throw Fabio in there as well, as someone who is without a doubt top 5 rated in terms of talent.

Acosta would have beaten him in the championship he he was fit to race at Phillip Island GP. That was his own fault of course but Acosta having the front fairing ripped of his bike on Saturday probably cost him the 3 or so points he needed to have more points this year than Binder. Again, you could argue that was an Acosta mistake, but there is some serious amount of bad luck involved to rip off the entire front fairing. I think 99% of the time both Marquez and Acosta would have been fine with that level of contact.

Binder and Mir (at his best) are similar in the way that they might not get the most wins or podiums but there ability (before Mir went to Honda) to keep the bike shiny side up, over the entire season nets them a respectable amount of points while others are throwing away points pushing too hard. It's a smart strategy that collects points for the team and in Mir's case for a world championship.

The big question for next year, for all KTM riders not just Brad is what kind of step will KTM make? I think the proof is in the pudding that the current spec of the KTM was better than the GP23, as Pirro pointed out, the GP23 being designed for the old tyre probably confirms that when put together with the standings. I don't expect the KTM to be better than the new Ducati, I doubt anyone does but can it be better than the GP24? And on that where does Aprilia fit into the ranking? This year, the KTM and Aprilia seemed pretty close with the slight edge to the KTM over the season. The Aprilia had circuits it liked and was better at than the KTM but I think most of the year the pendulum swung the way of KTM.

Alex MarquezGresini Racing MotoGPGresini contract, end of 2026
Maverick VinalesRed Bull KTM Tech3'Multi-year contract'
Enea BastianiniRed Bull KTM Tech3'Multi-year contract'
Marc MarquezDucati Lenovo TeamEnd of 2026
Francesco BagnaiaDucati Lenovo TeamEnd of 2026
Pedro AcostaRed Bull KTM Factory Racing'Multi-year contract'
Brad BinderRed Bull KTM Factory RacingEnd of 2026
Fabio QuartararoMonster Energy Yamaha MotoGPEnd of 2026
Alex RinsMonster Energy Yamaha MotoGPEnd of 2026
Jorge MartinAprilia Racing'Multi-year contract'
Marco BezzecchiAprilia Racing'Multi-year contract'
Ai OguraTrackhouse RacingEnd of 2026
Fabio di GiannantonioPertamina Enduro VR46Ducati contract, 2025 and 2026
Piss poor copy and paste job by me but these are the guys who should be fighting it out for the top 10 next year.
Bolded and underlined are for me the guys who no one else will likely be able to close to given the machinery.
Bolded and italics are guys who regardless of machinery should probably be fighting for top 5.
Bolded only are guys who talent wise should be fighting for top 5 but are on machines that need to improve.
The non bolded guys are ones I see as not having top 5 talent but with the right machinery for them and wrong machinery for others could be dark horses for the top 5 but I expect to be in and around the top 10.
But we will see.

I have nothing against Brad for the record, I just don't rate him as a couple of others do. I also think the current KTM is better than it is being given credit for. It isn't a championship winning bike at the moment but it isn't because it isn't an excellent bike but because the GP24 might be the best GP bike ever built.
I don’t disagree, as I said I see him as one of the better riders out there but perhaps unfairly not championship level.

Next year will be telling as you say, if he beats riders of the quality of the other KTM riders next year as he has previous fellow KTM riders for several years now you and I may need to re-evaluate him.
 

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