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I think the key difference was what Mike said. Marc had a bike capable of winning. Pedro does not. Marc would have been doing the same thing if he didn't have a good enough bike to compete.
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Casey had quite a few crashes when he started riding the Honda, a case of out riding the bike.
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He's 11 points behind Binder, and second non Ducati rider currently in the standings, with 4 podiums in his rookie year, on a non factory team. I think he's doing just fine.
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Apples and Oranges. Stoner was on whatever crap tires Michelin threw his way. Acosta is on the exact same tires as the winners.
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The economic downturn in Collective West is starting to take its toll. KTM abandoned their WSBK project and is cutting back on remaining projects. The ink on their balance sheet is red. Not sure how this will affect their MotoGP team, but I'm afraid it will hinder their aspirations.
Please note, this downturn is not temporary, it is the direction in progress. Perhaps Petronas and Suzuki were right when they pulled out ...
Please note, this downturn is not temporary, it is the direction in progress. Perhaps Petronas and Suzuki were right when they pulled out ...
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Agreed. And I think Marc Marquez circa 2015, he needs to learn that at the moment, the KTM is not a (championship at least) winning bike. Binder is an example of that, riding at the limit of the bike but not crashing as often.
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Well put and great perspective.
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If CF Moto is going to release a superbike based around the RC16, then is there a possibility that CF Moto could bit by bit take over the MotoGP team?
I am not saying I believe that this is likely. I am just floating it as a vague possibility.
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Yes. If Acosta was on a competitive bike his results would be better.
I just hope he manages to stay in one piece until he gets that competitive ride.
It is possible that the KTM turns into something that can win. But the window of opportunity is closing. Promise has to be followed up with results.
Otherwise it’s a waste to have a rider like Acosta on that bike. He will languish and run out of other options the longer he is on a KTM that he has to almost crash every lap to be semi competitive.
It’s similar to Fabio at Yamaha. Except, Quaratarraro has already been world champion and Yamaha is spending big to make results happen. Doesn’t look like that’s the case at KTM.
I just hope he manages to stay in one piece until he gets that competitive ride.
It is possible that the KTM turns into something that can win. But the window of opportunity is closing. Promise has to be followed up with results.
Otherwise it’s a waste to have a rider like Acosta on that bike. He will languish and run out of other options the longer he is on a KTM that he has to almost crash every lap to be semi competitive.
It’s similar to Fabio at Yamaha. Except, Quaratarraro has already been world champion and Yamaha is spending big to make results happen. Doesn’t look like that’s the case at KTM.
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Pedro Acosta, born 25th of May 2004
Fabio Quartararo, born 20th of April 1999
Jorge Martin, born 29th of January 1998
Francesco Bagnaia, born 14th of January 1997
Marc Marquez, born 17th of Febuary 1993
Acosta, currently 6th, with 5 DNFs
Apart from Viñales, only non-Ducati to take a podium this season.
He has four.
Fabio Quartararo, born 20th of April 1999
Jorge Martin, born 29th of January 1998
Francesco Bagnaia, born 14th of January 1997
Marc Marquez, born 17th of Febuary 1993
Acosta, currently 6th, with 5 DNFs
Apart from Viñales, only non-Ducati to take a podium this season.
He has four.
I fear that has already happened to my man Binder. I know no one seems to rate him, but I do think he can win on competitive equipment
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If KTM doesn't become championship competitive over the next 2 years then Acosta will probably move to a bike/team that is championship competitive
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Hard to say. He won on his debut but yes had a better bike. It was in a time without aero and ride height making the front harder to save as it is now. He generally has crashed in practice a lot more than races. Finding and going over the limit so he knew just where it was for the race.
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It will then be 2027. New bikes. It may take some time to reveal the best machine. You'd expect Ducati to be up there but perhaps not so ahead as they are now.
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Brad is on what is probably the second best bike on the grid. The KTM is probably sandwiched in between the GP24 and the GP23 with Aprilia being there abouts. He is on competitive equipment. Would he win more races on a 24 Ducati? Undoubtably but I have strong doubts he would consistently beat Martin, Pecco and Marquez this season. The beast is a toss up for me and he would no doubt kick Morbidelli’s ass.
He is more or less doing as much as he can but an old no longer racing Pedrosa’s results show that the bike is probably capable of more than he is getting out of it. KTM has certainly lacked elite talent on their bike since they came to the GP. Acosta looks to be that and Bastia’s comparative results next year against Brad could give us a better idea of how good he is or isn’t.
Acosta may or may not be generationally talented but what he is doing (outside of crashing) on that bike is embarrassing everyone else that is riding a KTM. He has 5 out of their 6 podiums with the other coming from Brad and 3 of their 4 sprint podiums.
All this is not to say he is a bad rider, he is one of the best 10-15 road racing motorcycle riders in the world. It’s one hell of a thing to be but he isn’t top 5 material IMO.
Apart from his rookie year, he has never finished a season outside the top 6. He was the top non-Ducati finisher in 2023 and still is to date. So I think he is very much top 5 level.
Last year, when the KTM was more competitive than this year, he was fighting with the podium guys regularly. But you can only do so much before you crash...
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Alright guys better than Binder,
MM
Fabio
Pecco
Martin
Acosta
Pedrosa - guy turns up once or twice a year and beats everyone on a KTM.
Stoner - see what he did in his 2 days of testing Ducati. No doubt he could do it again if he wanted.
Mir
Guys who are at a similar or same level
Mav
Aleix
Rins
Toprak
Bastianinni
Digi
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Oh boy. The Binder fans on this site won't be happy. How did a WSBK rider make this list?
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I disagree with most of the list. Mir? .... sake has he even won a race before? Its all hypothetical but I think Binder could beat everyone other than MM, Fabio, and maybe Acosta if he was on the Duc. I won't argue with Pedrosa either. Stoner? Like in his current form or the old Stoner? No way current hangs with his family Casey could compete nor does he want too. Thats way to hypothetical for me. You could start saying other retired riders too then.
Mav being equal to Binder is a joke. Rins maybe but not consistently. Aliex? Aliex who? The retiring one that hasn't done .... this year? Beast and Toprak most definitely. Digi not sure I agree but I won't argue it either. Thank god Bezz didn't make your list.
I mean, I didn't even bother arguing with the list at first... Stoner is retired, so what's the point in including him. The comment about Pedrosa is just factually wrong and he is also not in the championship. While I would actually say Toprak is better than Binder, it doesn't matter, because he is not in MotoGP so it's completely irrelevant.
Mir, Mav and Aleix is just silly
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