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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ May 7 2007, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Everyone knows racing motorcycles is dangerous.
It's up to the competitors to choose if they want to take those risks.
Uhm, Football, Baseball, Hockey is also dangerous. Guys get seriously injured all the time and yes, there have been deaths. I would say motorcycle racing today is about as dangerous as any contact sport. I think it’s not necessarily the sport that is dangerous, but rather the frailty of human life. Fuking life is dangerous.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1. Yup, and that's why you got a response like Skid, because you pointed to Elias as a .... canon but then again, your boy, and perhaps mine too, have put on some very close and questionable moves, but you chose to single out Elias, the guy that your boy just complained about.
2. Yeah, I see your point, but they are big boys. More people die on the interstates in my country, perhaps we should ban cars?
3. Perhaps they should ban the Isle of Mann?
4. Yeah man, you got me thinking. .... Toni, hes an ....... (jk). Nah, but really, we have always had deaths in racing, but they are trying to make it safer all the time. Despite that, there are freak accidents.
5. You touched a nerve you jerk (I say this in the most loving way) because you singled out Elias.


Well, I'm not gonna become mr subtlety now am I?

You cant carry the encyclopedia of GP in your head all the time AND think about everyone elses feelings. I'd have to be a God like Rossi to pull that off.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 7 2007, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>get off your high horse skid.
a 7 times world champ said he was a dangrous rider but "i used to race bikes skid" nows better.
i agree with pete ,it is hypocritcal that the same people who condone and admire recklessness give there thoughts and prayer to the casulties.
Ah, I found it, the gem of the posts. Uhm, I distinctly remember you not thinking Pedrosa's torpedo of Hayden was that bad and dangerous. Yet, this is exactly the type of "incident" that can end a career, if not, God forbid, a life. But here is the thing, you tell Skid to get off his high horse (an Elias fan), but man, as a Hayden fan I was crushed to see my boy go down as he did in Portugal; I was excruciatingly sensitive to what posters said about the incident. Perhaps you “knew better” about the dangers of motorcycle racing as you say to Skid, eh buddy? But you thought I was going overboard and perhaps even ruining the sport ife we reprimanded Pedrosa for that incident. Nop that's not "hypocritical" is it? I distinctly remember getting on and saying they should reprimand Pedrosa, hell even get ride of him for that crash, but a few Rossi fans like yourself were not really too phased by Pedrosa's reckless dive bomb. Double standard maybe?

You see, this is why it smacks of hypocrisy. I do believe Pete had some good intensions starting this thread. As I have read both yours and Pete's stance on the sanctity of life, even extended to animals, that you have a good heart, but you gotta remember boys, when you mix in a .... storm of criticism on a rider because your boy (the 7 time champ) complained about him, well, expect a push back, especially if when the tables were turned, there was an absence of threads coming out in favor of safer racing.
 
Ok, I think I found a way to answer this intriguing question about how we can make MotoGP safer. Here is my plan, tell me what you think. Everybody who doesn't cause an accident can have these girls immediatley after the race.
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Everybody who does cause an accident gets this women.
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And they can open the champagne bottle to celebrate and be recognized as: The Reckless Piece of .... of The Race Who Caused an Accident Winner.

What are your thoughts? Discuss.
 
I just lost my appetite. I hate you jumkie


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah, I found it, the gem of the posts. Uhm, I distinctly remember you not thinking Pedrosa's torpedo of Hayden was that bad and dangerous. Yet, this is exactly the type of "incident" that can end a career, if not, God forbid, a life. But here is the thing, you tell Skid to get off his high horse (an Elias fan), but man, as a Hayden fan I was crushed to see my boy go down as he did in Portugal; I was excruciatingly sensitive to what posters said about the incident. Perhaps you “knew better” about the dangers of motorcycle racing as you say to Skid, eh buddy? But you thought I was going overboard and perhaps even ruining the sport ife we reprimanded Pedrosa for that incident. Nop that's not "hypocritical" is it? I distinctly remember getting on and saying they should reprimand Pedrosa, hell even get ride of him for that crash, but a few Rossi fans like yourself were not really too phased by Pedrosa's reckless dive bomb. Double standard maybe?

You see, this is why it smacks of hypocrisy. I do believe Pete had some good intensions starting this thread. As I have read both yours and Pete's stance on the sanctity of life, even extended to animals, that you have a good heart, but you gotta remember boys, when you mix in a .... storm of criticism on a rider because your boy (the 7 time champ) complained about him, well, expect a push back, especially if when the tables were turned, there was an absence of threads coming out in favor of safer racing.

To be honest, I picked up on Elias here due to the Haystack incident. But, with me being a Mindless Cheerleader, folks are naturally gonna think that it's coz he fell out with Rossi.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, I think I found a way to answer this intriguing question about how we can make MotoGP safer. Here is my plan, tell me what you think. Everybody who doesn't cause an accident can have these girls immediatley after the race.
1713:attachment]

Everybody who does cause an accident gets this women.
1714:attachment]

And they can open the champagne bottle to celebrate and be recognized as: The Reckless Piece of .... of The Race Who Caused an Accident Winner.

What are your thoughts? Discuss.


Jeez Jumkie, wee Asimo would never come out of there alive!

Pete
 
I hate to sound like a heartless troll but:

Motorsport is dangerous (blah blah), you take your own life into your hands when you race, if you die, it's your fault, no time for boo-hoo, you chose to race, you made an error and crashed, and you died.

It's the cold hard facts of life.

Obviously I am slightly sorry for the families of people who lose members, but these are the facts of the cruel world.



















This guy:
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ May 8 2007, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok, I think I found a way to answer this intriguing question about how we can make MotoGP safer. Here is my plan, tell me what you think. Everybody who doesn't cause an accident can have these girls immediatley after the race.
1713:attachment]

What are your thoughts? Discuss.

yes please! haha nice rack lady's!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 8 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hate to sound like a heartless troll but:
Motorsport is dangerous (blah blah), you take your own life into your hands when you race, if you die, it's your fault, no time for boo-hoo, you chose to race, you made an error and crashed, and you died.
It's the cold hard facts of life.
thats true to a point but you coud also say,
"motorsport is already dangrous" so sticking the local loony on a bike who will ride .... or bust regardless of who else he involves is hardly a taking your life into your own hands.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats true to a point but you coud also say,
"motorsport is already dangrous" so sticking the local loony on a bike who will ride .... or bust regardless of who else he involves is hardly a taking your life into your own hands.

This is where it gets complicated. Any racer will appreciate the risks involved, and that includes those associated with the other riders on track and it is fairly important to have a basic level of trust in and respect for all of those other riders. If a rider has trouble feeling safe or trusting another rider they can decide they are in the wrong sport or go through a complaints process where the officials can decide if the rider in question is riding appropriately or not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If a rider has trouble feeling safe or trusting another rider they can decide they are in the wrong sport or go through a complaints process where the officials can decide if the rider in question is riding appropriately or not.
unless its rossi, it he dare to say a rider is dangrous he's labled a whinner.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>unless its rossi, it he dare to say a rider is dangrous he's labled a whinner.

Thats because he lashed out to the media wile upset over his race result and tire performance. If he really feels that Toni is a problem he should let the officials know and allow them to deal with it, or bring up riding behavior when they have the safety commission each weekend. And the most obvious reason Rossi has been getting stick is because he was upset about things far less than what he is guilty of.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats because he lashed out to the media wile upset over his race result and tire performance.
thats the oppinion of some but it's far from fact, i still have not heard or seen a link to this alledged whinning.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If he really feels that Toni is a problem he should let the officials know and allow them to deal with it, or bring up riding behavior when they have the safety commission each weekend.
how do you no he didn't
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how do you no he didn't

I don't, but either way nothing has come of it, which would suggest Rossi's dangerous riding allegations were unfounded.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 9 2007, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thats the oppinion of some but it's far from fact, i still have not heard or seen a link to this alledged whinning.
Google for it, you lazy .......!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 9 2007, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how do you no he didn't
C'mon Roger, that's pretty lame. If either Fiat Yamaha had lodged a protest or Race Control had made some kind of judgement over Toni Elias in Istanbul you don't think that would have made the press? If Rossi had tried to bring some kind of motion or censure at the Safety Comission meeting in Shanghai you don't think that one of the riders (especially Elias himself) would have commented about it?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 8 2007, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't, but either way nothing has come of it, which would suggest Rossi's dangerous riding allegations were unfounded.
mabe once bitten twice shy.
paul buttler took a lot of flag when he punished tamada because sete complained, it was later admitted that tamada was not being dangrous it was sete chucking his toys out the pram.
but you say nothing come of it yet,but im still yet to see or hear anything other than hearsay about the matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>mabe once bitten twice shy mabe.
paul buttler took a lot of flak when he punished tamada because sete complained, it was later admitted that tamada was not being dangrous it was sete chucking his toys out the pram.
but you say nothing come of it yet,but im still yet to see or hear anything other than hearsay about the matter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 8 2007, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>im still yet to see or hear anything other than hearsay about the matter.

I think Rossi has realized its in his best interests to shut the hell up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ May 8 2007, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Rossi had tried to bring some kind of motion or censure at the Safety Comission meeting in Shanghai you don't think that one of the riders (especially Elias himself) would have commented about it?
no i dont think they would untill the hearing had made its judgment. when was the last time you heard about anything like that untill after judgment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ May 8 2007, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Google for it, you lazy .......!
i have and cant find it anywhere. mabe someone here can direct me as they must have seen it to make such damning comments about it.?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 9 2007, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no i dont think they would untill the hearing had made its judgment. when was the last time you heard about anything like that untill after judgment.
The whole yellow flag fiasco last year at Philip Island.

Also the Tamada disqualification that you speak of was done and dusted within an hour of the race being finished. Sure, he did get to drink some champagne on the podium that day, but as I was leaving the course I heard on the radio that he'd been disqualified...
 

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