Pause for thought.....

well pete if we shuffle elias off then we might as well get rid of cappirossi, rossi, melandri, roberts, jacque & host of others. c'mon now...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 7 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Heres one to think about, we have 2 posts up at the top here at the moment paying tribute to riders who have died.

We also have a thread about Elias, and his "habit" of crashing into people.

I think we should take the "he's an exciting racer" blinkers off, the guy is a loose cannon. Before anyone says, I dont take this view coz he came together with Rossi last time out. He seems to have hit other riders on more than a few occasions.

I know its bike racing, not flower arranging and people get hurt, but how "entertaining and exciting" would he be if he put himself or somebody else in a wheelchair or worse.

We cant be condoning loose riding and then sending condolences to racers who have lost their lives. It's hypocritical.
PeteThat's the biggest heap of crap I've ever heard and incredibly insulting that you would call someone or anyone hypocritical on the strength of YOUR opinion that a particular rider is dangerous. You have no idea.

Everyone knows racing motorcycles is dangerous.
It's up to the competitors to choose if they want to take those risks.
I choose to watch the ones that will risk everything, and I respect them all immensely.
It is extremely saddening when someone dies in the sport we love so much but they love racing and maybe they think it's all worth it.
Not in the same league but a work colleague of mine was seriously injured a couple of years ago on a track day when he came off his 999 and it landed on top of him. He was in intensive care for a week and in a wheelchair for 6 months but one year later he was back at the same track beating everyone again and loving it. I hope one day I will have the courage he has.
It's about risk assessment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 7 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's the biggest heap of crap I've ever heard and incredibly insulting that you would call someone or anyone hypocritical on the strength of YOUR opinion that a particular rider is dangerous. You have no idea.
get off your high horse skid.
a 7 times world champ said he was a dangrous rider but "i used to race bikes skid" nows better.
i agree with pete ,it is hypocritcal that the same people who condone and admire recklessness give there thoughts and prayer to the casulties.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 7 2007, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sayin shuffle anyone off. I'm saying there appears to be no consistancy towards what can be seen as dangerous riding, either from fans or race officials.

Pete
pete it's rediculous that u call elias a lose cannon. a dangerous rider. how many times have i heard this crap from people. the sport is dangerous by nature, face it. elias is no more dangerous than ur man. he's no more dangerous than nori haga who also gets that monniker. if these guy's are dangerous then so are most all the rest. at this level i expect racing to be this way. should we talk about the dangerous moves rossi has made over the years. how about capirrossi. please enough of this dangerous rider crap!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 7 2007, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it is hypocritcal that the same people who condone and admire recklessness give there thoughts and prayer to the casulties.
theres nothing hypocrytical about it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 7 2007, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey it's a lively debate....people have opinions...

Pete
yes your right! +1

There is a thin line between reckless riding and trying your hardest. At the moment maybe Toni is right on that line?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ May 7 2007, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>There is a thin line between reckless riding and trying your hardest. At the moment maybe Toni is right on that line?
well neil i'll tell ya. reckless to me would be a guy who is riding way over his skill level. pushing when he has no buissness pushing. now i would say that toni elias has those skills.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 7 2007, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really, no idea?

For a start I'm saying that it makes us all hypocritical, not pointing the finger at anyone in particular.
I'm making the point that people get hurt and killed riding bikes, Ive followed bike racing since the Seventies, and known people who were killed. So yes I do have a ....... idea what I'm talking about. One week a rider makes a mistake and its dangerous riding, the next week the same happens and its a racing incident.

Theres no clarity as to what makes for dangerous riding. And fans make excuses for there own guys mistakes all the time. I used Elias as an example coz he's making a habit of it over the last while.
The hypocrasy I'm talking about, is that when a rider dies, we all offer our thoughts and condolences. Rightly so. But when riders are knocking each other off, its "racing incidents" How many times does someone have to have the same incident before people question it.

I'm saying we should stop and have a look at ourselves and think what we are saying.

I obviously touched a nerve here, sorry, but I wont lose sleep.

PeteNo but you are saying that anyone who condones or enjoys 'loose riding'or 'dangerous riding' or whatever you want to call it is a hypocrite for mourning a rider killed. Why don't you put your vey first post in some context, that might help, because I can't see how it matches up. What have a 10yo kid killed in a freak moto-x accident, a veteran champoin roadracer killed at a race on a closed public raad, and dangerous riding in motogp ( your opinion, of course ) all got in common? Please tell me Pete because all I can see coming through this thread is actually a dislike for Elias. I don't like this thread at all, there's a bad vibe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 7 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>get off your high horse skid.
a 7 times world champ said he was a dangrous rider but "i used to race bikes skid" nows better.
i agree with pete ,it is hypocritcal that the same people who condone and admire recklessness give there thoughts and prayer to the casulties.See what i mean.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well neil i'll tell ya. reckless to me would be a guy who is riding way over his skill level. pushing when he has no buissness pushing.
i agree, i also think that describes tony,just look how many times he has come a cropper.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 7 2007, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree, i also think that describes tony,just look how many times he has come a cropper.
c'mon rog he did'nt get to gp's lacking any kind of skill. i think he lacks patience more than anything. skids right u guys just don't like elias.

That's why i didn't react to this... I had a clear vision of what's going to happen.

It's really not that cool at all to take a sensitive subject, drag it into a rossi/elias/turkey debate and get personal into the bargain.
totally predictable though. i should know better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>c'mon rog he did'nt get to gp's lacking any kind of skill. i think he lacks patience more than anything. skids right u guys just don't like elias.
ok frosty, i will agree he has skill and mabe your right its his lack of patience that causing a problem but surly you see there is a problem ?
its not that i dislike elias,altho i will admit i dont like him as much as i did, it the fans who pointed the finger at rossi because he dare to critisise tony for his antics that get on my .....
you no i like close racing and have openly stated that some crashes were just racing insedends but this with tony is becoming a habbit and the word i use to desribe this is "unproffesionilizim" seem to spell that one diferently everytime i use it
ask a elias fan on here how long they have followed the sport and why they like tony and you will understand why they get on my .... when they spout ....