Official P.I. Race Discussion Thread

[kngadrok]

Im a tad late, but WAY TO GO NICK!
I think a rear naked choke on pedro in the garage before the race at valcencia, and claim he passed out due to hyperventalation cause he cant seem to stay upright.
Or hell, just a kick in the balls would satisfy me

 

[Keshav]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 6 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>-Congrats to Stoner...another Jack Rabbit run scarred to fight.

yawn.

What a bunch of sour-grapes hypocrisy. What horseshit! If Rossi had the pole and made
a good launch - do you think he'd slow down just to swap paint for the sake of the
fans? Gimme a break.

 

[L8Braker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Oct 6 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im a tad late, but WAY TO GO NICK!
I think a rear naked choke on pedro in the garage before the race at valcencia, and claim he passed out due to hyperventalation cause he cant seem to stay upright.
Or hell, just a kick in the balls would satisfy me

I don't know if Nick would be comfortable choking what looks like a childs neck....so yea a kick in the balls would suffice.

oh... Way to go Stoner, Rossi, and Hayden(3 World champs on the podium)....and for Shinya...way to finish buddy....

as far as Rossi's adjustments during a pass, come on he has to keep the race interesting doesn't he?

 

[Andy Roo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Oct 6 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>-Congrats to Stoner...another Jack Rabbit run scarred to fight.

yawn.

He wasn't scarred to fight curve, he was just waiting up the front for somebody to engage in the fight.


Should he have just slowed down? Nicki would have passed him (who was right up his clacker)?

Actually curve there are other riders out there apart from Valentino and two of them (Nicki and JT) who incidentally are two of my favourite guys put on a hell of a show. It isn't Rossigp it's motogp. There is a whole field of riders there, all of whom possess the right to win without having the race labelled boring.

Actually given Valentino was up to 4th at turn 2/lap 1 and only had to deal with errant superbike riders and Michelin runners - I think he was a bit slow, he was injured and a little beaten about - he honestly took way too long to deal with JT.

To be perfectly honest curve the racing was great, watching Casey and Nicki come through Lukey then turns 10,11,12 onto the main straight was awesome. Nicki stuck it to him for ages and it was like watching synchronised swimming with nude girls on ice - even better maybe.

Then watching Rossi wind in Nicki who was running on the rim by that time was equally awesome.

It wasn't "yawn" at the track.

 

[ROCKGOD01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Oct 6 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't scarred to fight curve, he was just waiting up the front for somebody to engage in the fight.


Should he have just slowed down? Nicki would have passed him (who was right up his clacker)?

Actually curve there are other riders out there apart from Valentino and two of them (Nicki and JT) who incidentally are two of my favourite guys put on a hell of a show. It isn't Rossigp it's motogp. There is a whole field of riders there, all of whom possess the right to win without having the race labelled boring.

Actually given Valentino was up to 4th at turn 2/lap 1 and only had to deal with errant superbike riders and Michelin runners - I think he was a bit slow, he was injured and a little beaten about - he honestly took way too long to deal with JT.

To be perfectly honest curve the racing was great, watching Casey and Nicki come through Lukey then turns 10,11,12 onto the main straight was awesome. Nicki stuck it to him for ages and it was like watching synchronised swimming with nude girls on ice - even better maybe.

Then watching Rossi wind in Nicki who was running on the rim by that time was equally awesome.

It wasn't "yawn" at the track.
Curve just likes to throw those punches out there to get me among the rest of the Ducati/ Stoner supporters. He likes Hayden but I think the Wandering Curve has to like Ducati just a little bit since they won't treat Hayden like a piece of trash. IT was a good race and I just kept hoping that Stoner wouldn't throw it down due to his hand tires or whatever. Looks like Ezy let him have the 07's for this race. So if anyone has a pic of the two of them side by side up Lukey heights then post that .....

 

[mattsteg]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 6 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't dislike West. I was actually one of few that thought he had earned a look after his WSB performances. But I don't think he deserves to be in MotoGP any more. He did get beat at Hoppers GP by a fairly old wildcard rider named Hacking.Yeah, West earned his seat last year and earned a seat for this season. That's all he's earned, though.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 6 2008, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm obviously a bit of a Hopper fan, so yup, the bias is forthcoming, this is one reason why I'm looking forward to next year to answer these questions about Hopper's talent. He will be teamed up with a guy we all "know" is a proven talent, so judging from their performances, I think it will shed some light on this year's results. I mean, imagine if they are always at the back, could you really say riders suck or the machine sucks? Now if Hopper out performs Melandri, then I think we can fairly deduce he is better than we think, certainly better than his results would indicate. But we'll have to all wait and see.
How much of a known quantity is Marco at this point. He was fast and somewhat inconsistent on Honda, inconsistent on Yamaha, and consistently bad on Ducati. Heck, Elias might double his points this year, on the customer bike.

 

[Andy Roo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Oct 7 2008, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Curve just likes to throw those punches out there to get me among the rest of the Ducati/ Stoner supporters. He likes Hayden but I think the Wandering Curve has to like Ducati just a little bit since they won't treat Hayden like a piece of trash. IT was a good race and I just kept hoping that Stoner wouldn't throw it down due to his hand tires or whatever. Looks like Ezy let him have the 07's for this race. So if anyone has a pic of the two of them side by side up Lukey heights then post that .....


I'd hate to disappoint curve, you throw good bait out and you deserve a nibble at the least.

Have the pics, on the way probably 9pm Aus time (10 hrs time). I'm in the middle of satisfying marital obligation at the moment and will download photos later. (marital obligations means cleaning and stuff).

 

[Gaz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 6 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't dislike West. I was actually one of few that thought he had earned a look after his WSB performances. But I don't think he deserves to be in MotoGP any more. He did get beat at Hoppers GP by a fairly old wildcard rider named Hacking.

But I will agree with you that he is somewhat of a scapegoat. But as you sight Hoppers pay, seems rather irrelevant, lets not forget that those mere 4 points would have been a bit more if we factor in the DNFs and injuries Hopper has had, so its a bit unfair to look at just that.

I'm obviously a bit of a Hopper fan, so yup, the bias is forthcoming, this is one reason why I'm looking forward to next year to answer these questions about Hopper's talent. He will be teamed up with a guy we all "know" is a proven talent, so judging from their performances, I think it will shed some light on this year's results. I mean, imagine if they are always at the back, could you really say riders suck or the machine sucks? Now if Hopper out performs Melandri, then I think we can fairly deduce he is better than we think, certainly better than his results would indicate. But we'll have to all wait and see.


Jumkie, you could probably well see me arguing a little here as whilst I totally agree that West is 'in over his head' and totally agree that he is the scapegoat I should remind that yes, he was beaten by Hacking at Laguna but West then beat Hopkins at Indy (amongst others).

Additionally as has been reported a few times, West has ridden much of this year with fractured vertebrae in his back which would have been causing him great discomfort and pain, so IMO he has actually performed admirably and at least equal of his more highly rated team-mate.

IMO, both are being shafted by Kawasaki who are producing a bike that cannot match the skills of either riders yet Kawasaki seem to be looking at blaming everyone but themselves. IMO, both Kawasaki and Suzuki need to have a good look at themselves to produce a package that is at least capable of being raced in this class and achieving decent results.

For me, West is not the problem at Kawasaki and whilst I at this stage think JHopkins to be massively over-hyped, he also is not the problem at Kawasaki but if results are poor next year Hopkins will go the way of West and IMO Melandri is not the answer either. It may be time to start by looking at whether Bartholmey is the right person and/or the R&D and/or going back to the drawing board



Garry

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 6 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, you could probably well see me arguing a little here ...
Well the gist of your point is Kawasaki are the major problem in this equation. So I'll concede. I think both riders have had a miserable year. I sure would love to see Rossi on this bike and see what the "standard" of an idea great rider would do on such a machine. It would answer many questions wouldn't it. Like, is it the rider or the machine, and GOAT, etc, etc.

 

[Andy Roo]

A few more pics, the shame of this is I have some video but I don't have a youtube account or anything or the motivation to post it so this is a selection from the 75 pics I took on the day.

1. The way in - we were there early and so was Mark Webber. We got stuck side by side going in for about 5 minutes and I thought for a minute he was going to abandon his gold cart and run to the venue. See the look on his face? He really enjoyed us asking him what happened last week? Actually we chatted for a few minutes and he is a really cool guy.

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2. Local cuisine – the Yabby pies are .... just in case you are asking but the humble yabby (freshwater crayfish) makes a great burger.

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3. Had a few bikes on display, the bloke who rides this one is pretty famous. Lots of desperate looking Europeans hanging around it though not letting me touch it...

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4. Just so you know where you are…a beautiful day, the national flag is flying. The ocean is a non photo shopped blue that few other places in the world can match. The surf was actually pretty good and these waters are infested with great white sharks.

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5. Just in case you didn’t know where you were some of the girls had simple prompts on the back of their shorts. Whilst I have nothing against gay people I can only state that an arse like these ones (particularly the one on the left) confirm my heterosexuality. Actually I really dig chicks that have the same point of view (about nice botties) and like making home movies. I am a man of simple tastes.

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6. Only post from the 250 race. Simioncelli and Bautista who went at it the whole race – great racing and these two will raise the bar in motogp.

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7. Casey and Nicki – great racing again.

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8. Casy and Nicki 2 – this is where they went out through turn 11 & 12, these two slid and squirmed through here on the gas big time until Nicki killed his tyre. Nicki took a tighter line and Casey had a slingshot line onto the main straight. Casey fanboy I may be but he begins his run down the main straight 2 turns prior to the straight. Some mathematician will be thinking Parabola??? and they'd be right.

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9. JT and Vale. Again this was great, Vale was snapping a brain vessel trying to get past JT and for me it was JT’s best ever ride in gp. He will be capable of top 5’s on Bridgestone’s next year as well. That is if it’s a control tyre and everyone is on the same sort of thing…I was really annoyed with the one child who got in the way of this. .... happens.

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[Gaz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 7 2008, 04:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the gist of your point is Kawasaki are the major problem in this equation. So I'll concede. I think both riders have had a miserable year. I sure would love to see Rossi on this bike and see what the "standard" of an idea great rider would do on such a machine. It would answer many questions wouldn't it. Like, is it the rider or the machine, and GOAT, etc, etc.


In general terms I woudl say yep, if Rossi could produce on the 2008 Kawasaki even his harshest critic and doubters would have to reconsider as it would be a mighty performance (same goes for the Suzuki IMO).

But, I also suspect that if Rossi were to go to Kawasaki the factory would increase it's efforts as well (and of course this is purely hypothetical and just to discuss with Jumkie before anyone thinks that I believe it will happen).



Garry

 

[Jumkie]

Andy, those are great pics man. Especially enjoy those MotoGP shorts. I like the one on the right though. Man, that place looks beautiful. Not sure about the crab cakes though, doesn't sound very appetizing. I'll stick to beef. Great pict of JT schooling that factory Yamaha guy.

 

[Sally]

Love your shots. Still jealous of not being able to go there every year. And I didn't try the burgers but I though the warm jam donuts were delicious.

And my mate ran into Mark Webber as well. (well he walked into their picknick- Mark got out of the paddock and roamed about in GA during the day, guess he sees enough paddocks in his career). We already knew he was an ok guy but it was nice to have it confirmed again.

 

[Goldwing]

Great pics Andy. Thanks very much.

 

[michaelm]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 7 2008, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In general terms I woudl say yep, if Rossi could produce on the 2008 Kawasaki even his harshest critic and doubters would have to reconsider as it would be a mighty performance (same goes for the Suzuki IMO).

But, I also suspect that if Rossi were to go to Kawasaki the factory would increase it's efforts as well (and of course this is purely hypothetical and just to discuss with Jumkie before anyone thinks that I believe it will happen).



Garry
I always respect your posts garry, but I don't really think rossi has many harsh critics, let alone doubters. Doesn't mean people including you and I can't support another rider though, and I think one particular other rider is not without a chance next year.

 

[dph67]

Great pics buddy, any more?

Great race, nearly the best of the year.

Stoner - Fantastic home race victory
Rossi - What more can you say!
Hayden - I have sooo much respect for this guy. Shame about the rubber

Battle for 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th was fantastic! This is what I'm hoping for at the front all of next season.
JT, superb! Just shows what he can do when he has a little track knowledge.
Dovi, shut up you ....!

 

[Gaz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 7 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I always respect your posts garry, but I don't really think rossi has many harsh critics, let alone doubters. Doesn't mean people including you and I can't support another rider though, and I think one particular other rider is not without a chance next year.


Agreed Michael.

I do not think that VR has many who do not recognise and/or realise what he is, was and always will be in terms of motorcycle racing, but sadly there are some who allow personal feelings to impede their judgement and at times this clouds their thinking (we see it in a number of forums).

As for next year, IMO there is a clear 3 - 4 riders that I feel will battle the championship if they manage to start the season healthy, and remain that way throughout the year. On top of those 3 - 4 there is another 1 - 2 that will be amongst it, unfortunately for some however they are all on Ducati, Honda or Yamaha.




Garry

 

[Goldwing]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 7 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed Michael.

I do not think that VR has many who do not recognise and/or realise what he is, was and always will be in terms of motorcycle racing, but sadly there are some who allow personal feelings to impede their judgement and at times this clouds their thinking (we see it in a number of forums).

As for next year, IMO there is a clear 3 - 4 riders that I feel will battle the championship if they manage to start the season healthy, and remain that way throughout the year. On top of those 3 - 4 there is another 1 - 2 that will be amongst it, unfortunately for some however they are all on Ducati, Honda or Yamaha.




Garry

+1+2+3+4+5 Great post Gary

 

[Punk]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Oct 7 2008, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>5. Just in case you didn’t know where you were some of the girls had simple prompts on the back of their shorts. Whilst I have nothing against gay people I can only state that an arse like these ones (particularly the one on the left) confirm my heterosexuality. Actually I really dig chicks that have the same point of view (about nice botties) and like making home movies. I am a man of simple tastes.

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Faark, where were these lovelies while I was surrounded by drunk bogans and horrible slappers???

Great pics dude!

 

[R1 SF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 6 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is it that you avoid talking about my man Shinya Nakano's impressive form in the race? Don't hate.


Shinya's race was nothing spectacular, he played it safe never really tried to overtake once, he was lucky more than anything else that he capitilised on whatever happened between James and Dovi. I don't want to seem like I'm taking anything away from Shinya a lot of races were won in similar fashion, but don't make him out to be the bees knees because he made 5th position.
He would have recieved alot more praise and acknowledgement from people if you weren't such a .... in 100% of you posts. Its not Shinya the people of this forum are hating its you SS56

Andy and Punk, Great stuff, keep the pics coming or even better as Junkie said start a new thread