Nicky To try Radical change

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 16 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He has a two year contract with Ducati but there are rumors that the deal does not specify what series Hayden will ride in for 2010, leaving the door open for speculation of a switch to WSBK.

i'm pretty sure hayden's contract is 1 year.

please provide a link showing the contract is 2 years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jun 25 2009, 02:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i'm pretty sure hayden's contract is 1 year.

please provide a link showing the contract is 2 years.
I heard this myself at SoCal Ducati. Ducati probably has an option. Anyway, they've said they want to keep him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 25 2009, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I heard this myself at SoCal Ducati. Ducati probably has an option. Anyway, they've said they want to keep him.

You'd have to imagine Ducati's salary costs for him would go down in year two though....

hes got a phenominal work ethic, won't give up & he gets on well with stoner. so they will keep him around & you never know all the work might just pay off.

They will keep Hayden on for two reasons

1 Being as previously stated he has a good work ethic and is a team player etc

2 Being the biggest, Ducati wanted to concour the US sales market and would do it sucesfully with a US rider (like hayden). All Money in other ways.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ninja10 @ Jun 25 2009, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2 Being the biggest, Ducati wanted to concour the US sales market and would do it sucesfully with a US rider (like hayden). All Money in other ways.

I keep reading this and yet no one person so far that says it has bought a NEW Ducati in the US in the last year because of Hayden....

I have a feeling its an urban myth started by KY Kid's fanboys

Ahh yes, advertising is a complete myth. Never happens. Ever.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 25 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I keep reading this and yet no one person so far that says it has bought a NEW Ducati in the US in the last year because of Hayden....

I have a feeling its an urban myth started by KY Kid's fanboys


Anecdotal evidence, or a lack of anecdotal evidence is never a solid way to back up or disprove any argument.

As for Hayden and Ducati, there really is no reason way they would let him go, even if Kallio is better. Hayden isn't there to win the championship, hell he isn't even there to win races. He is there to sit on his ... and be cool with Stoner. There is no way in hell anyone on the grid will finish in front of the big three/four so does anyone at Ducati Corporate give a .... whether Hayden is 5th or 12th? I would guess no. Suppo probably cares, as with other egotistic types in Ducati Corse, but corporate couldn't care less as long as the Stoner train rolls on.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Jun 25 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden isn't there to win the championship, hell he isn't even there to win races. He is there to sit on his ... and be cool with Stoner.

I would think Nicky would disagree with you there.

If that was the case - it's a sorry ... situation

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 25 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I Have just as much fun if not more on my R6 and when it comes time to buy another one im pretty sure im sticking to a japanese bike.

R6 is probably going to be my next bike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 25 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...but that doesnt mean im going to go out and buy a Ducati.
For starters I cant afford it and other than that they dont appeal to me because theyre just so damn fancy.
Many complaints i get from dudes that own them is that the maintence is killer on the budget, you cant just take it to the local bike shop, it has to go to a ducati dealer because not just any one can work on the damn thing.
Another thing is im certain only about 20% of Ducati owners Ride the bike the same way you would ride a $9000.00 brand new GSXR.

I've test ridden the 848 and 1098R. You should as well.
Any the 848 weighs 2kg more than the R6, with the advantage of 25HP and 22 ft/lbs.
It handles very well with a super wide powerband and pulls hard from low revs.
There are plenty of dealers in big cities and they are running specials on financing, and pricing and maintenance.

Many other bikes that are better than the R6 for street riding.
The Daytona 675 is another good choice. Jap bikes are great, but there are plenty of other great bikes out there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 25 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've test ridden the 848 and 1098R. You should as well.I think his comment was more about people being less willing to push on a $$$ bike, but I could be wrong.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 25 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any the 848 weighs 2kg more than the R6, with the advantage of 25HP and 22 ft/lbs.
It handles very well with a super wide powerband and pulls hard from low revs.It's also quite a bit more expensive. Everything in life has advantages and disadvantages. Low cost is very seldom a Ducati strength.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 25 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've test ridden the 848 and 1098R. You should as well.
Any the 848 weighs 2kg more than the R6, with the advantage of 25HP and 22 ft/lbs.
It handles very well with a super wide powerband and pulls hard from low revs.
There are plenty of dealers in big cities and they are running specials on financing, and pricing and maintenance.

Many other bikes that are better than the R6 for street riding.
The Daytona 675 is another good choice. Jap bikes are great, but there are plenty of other great bikes out there.

i agree clark, but the kids got a point, and one i agree with actually. for the money? much, much easier and cheaper on the budget to get a jap 4 and go racing. parts are plentiful, so ebay shopping is easier / cheaper as well. shops are everywhere, so getting your bike worked on is easier (and you don't have to travel all over) if you really have an issue, etc.

overall. ducs are great. BUT ... see above

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 25 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've test ridden the 848 and 1098R. You should as well.
Any the 848 weighs 2kg more than the R6, with the advantage of 25HP and 22 ft/lbs.
It handles very well with a super wide powerband and pulls hard from low revs.
There are plenty of dealers in big cities and they are running specials on financing, and pricing and maintenance.

Many other bikes that are better than the R6 for street riding.
The Daytona 675 is another good choice. Jap bikes are great, but there are plenty of other great bikes out there.

The 848 here is 14g's for a year old new bike. Still my SV1000S is as fast and good enough for the street and was 4 g's cheaper. That being said, I would trade to the 848 if I could afford to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 25 2009, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>exactly what i meant!!! But the 848 is the most appealing Duc for me due to price and it does look more comfortable. Plus some Duc owners have said, you dont see the full potential of a Ducati till you ride it hard (track). At a recent track day a friend high sided on his 08 600rr the damage was estimated at $2000 with a lot of work he will be able to do him self. if that would have been a 848 or a new 1198 the damage would have been around 5 to $6000. You have to have some good coin to own one of those bad boys. Not only to purchase it but for the up keep and insurance and if you live in the beautiful state of california, Registration just doubled every year (thanks to the Governator). on my R6 i will be paying $300 this year. Maybe when I start making some more money ill get my self a Duc, right now it would do me no good to be making payments on something i crashed or broke and cant afford to fix. So economically, the japanese bikes are better But looks wise and Bragging wise the Euros take the cake

it all depends on how you look at things though kid. i mean, the kaw is just sexy to me. i've always loved the way they look. rode a zx7r for YEARS. raced 'em until the 03 zx6r came along. anyway, my point is ... beauty is in the eye of the beholder. and for bragging rights? i dunno, i almost look at it like "competing with the jonses". who cares if you paid x amount of dollars for the bike. i'll still .... your ... on the track, and i paid 10,000 less for mine! it's kinda a self gratification for me. like .. ha!

all that being said ... i drive an lsb m3 as my daily driver. (i definitely have a need for speed.) i have to go fast whether it be on the way to work, or racing on the weekends.

in all seriousness. if the duc sounded like an inline 4, i'd probably cough up the dough. something about the sound of an inline did it for me when i was a kid. kinda like the sound of a two stroke motocross bike. the 4's just don't do it for me for some reason. <shrugs>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Jun 25 2009, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im Huge Nicky fan! but that doesnt mean im going to go out and buy a Ducati. For starters I cant afford it and other than that they dont appeal to me because theyre just so damn fancy. Many complaints i get from dudes that own them is that the maintence is killer on the budget, you cant just take it to the local bike shop, it has to go to a ducati dealer because not just any one can work on the damn thing. another thing is im certain only about 20% of Ducati owners Ride the bike the same way you would ride a $9000.00 brand new GSXR. (jumkie ) you are exempt because you ride yours up in the canyons!!!! I Have just as much fun if not more on my R6 and when it comes time to buy another one im pretty sure im sticking to a japanese bike.
Just to comment on the Ducati experience. I had a 2000 996s. That bike was a joy to own. Never hads weird issues or expensive repairs. The only reason I don't have it today is because of my brother in law cause he backed over the thing and totaled it. ARRRRRRRR!!!! I will have another Duc. Now especially since you can get the new one cheaper than what they used to be priced at compared to the best jap bikes, it is easily worth it. But they are more exotic and sure the parts are a litte more expensive but nothing outlandish really. Obviously all the SBKs are awesome these days so no matter what you get they are all worth it for the most part.

I've been itching to get a 1098 too, almost got a 916 few years back but the military called. Maybe in 2 years' time. That or an RSV4.

The thing about getting a Ducati or even an Aprilia, isn't so much about economical sense or logic. It's about the emotion. If you've ever test ridden any of them you would understand. Here, logic fails.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 19 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SpeedTV:

Still suffering muscle soreness and pain from his race day virus Stoner was 1.39s faster than Hayden who complained of a "flat engine" in his bike during his tag team run with Stoner.

“Casey gets the bike turned better than me and accelerates earlier," Hayden said as he reflected on his Ducati tutorial. “He said the biggest area was off the corners. Casey said he was making up a lot of time on me off the corners and I think we went somewhere wrong with some electronics and we maybe had too much.

"He said he was about to run over the top of me coming onto the some of the straights. My engines felt a little flat and it seems strange that I was slower (than the race). There are so many electronic and mapping strategies, something can go wrong, but my acceleration was a little off compared to the race."

Following their high-speed class Stoner spoke to Hayden's new crew chief, Juan Martinez, while Hayden remained on track to run a solo lap.

Stoner was coy on the details saying that the Ducati team run was a way of assessing the strengths and weaknesses of both his and Hayden's set-up.

Right now there doesn't appear to be too much out of shape with Stoner's methods.

Ducati have said they would like Hayden to return next year.

In reaction Hayden said, “I’ve had my hands completely full trying to sort this bike out and I’d like to sort it out because I love the team and everybody is in my corner. Obviously we’ve got to do better to make that happen and ideally I’d like to be back, and I want Ducati to want me to be back because I’m getting results."

“It can beat you down but it’s not that hard," he added, reflecting on the mental toll the continued struggles have taken. "If I was going to give up I’d have given up a long time ago. This is easy to get motivated for."

Good read.
Thanks for positing.