Nicky To try Radical change

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Jun 16 2009, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A serious non Nicky bashing question, maybe the newly declared Fan-Boy aka Austin can answer this for me.

How long is Nicky's current contract with Ducati, 1 year, 2 years or more?

Cheers
He has a two year contract with Ducati but there are rumors that the deal does not specify what series Hayden will ride in for 2010, leaving the door open for speculation of a switch to WSBK.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 16 2009, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He has a two year contract with Ducati but there are rumors that the deal does not specify what series Hayden will ride in for 2010, leaving the door open for speculation of a switch to WSBK.
at the very least, there would be a "melandri clause" to allow both parties to erm..part. if things are not working that is..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 16 2009, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He has a two year contract with Ducati but there are rumors that the deal does not specify what series Hayden will ride in for 2010, leaving the door open for speculation of a switch to WSBK.

You would imagine that Ducati have all the options on going into year 2 or not, and if Nicky wants out then he has to pay like Marco.

However, I would agree that Ducati may persuade him to move to WSBK....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 16 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You would imagine that Ducati have all the options on going into year 2 or not, and if Nicky wants out then he has to pay like Marco.

However, I would agree that Ducati may persuade him to move to WSBK....
Not gonna happen.

Atleast he is of more use for Ducati than Canepa or Gibernau... Atleast half the time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jun 16 2009, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>at the very least, there would be a "melandri clause" to allow both parties to erm..part. if things are not working that is..

I think you might be right. I asked the question about who was influencing change at Ducati. I actually voted that Ducati was driving change, but the more I think about it, it might be Hayden's agent.

Ducati probably have the right to send Hayden to WSBK if he doesn't score will in the championship. Hayden probably has the right to terminate in the event his is removed from factory Ducati.

For Hayden to take the deal, he probably put in a clause or two about his ability to modify and setup the bike however he sees fit. He probably has the right to refuse junk he doesn't like, and he may even have Guareschi as his own personal test rider.

Ducati allegedly have built Hayden a new bike from the ground up. It seems that Hayden must have some special contractual powers in addition to his powers of persuasion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 16 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You would imagine that Ducati have all the options on going into year 2 or not, and if Nicky wants out then he has to pay like Marco.

However, I would agree that Ducati may persuade him to move to WSBK....
I'm sure Ducati do have the option on where they want Hayden in year two, but I highly doubt that Nicky would have to pay to get out. I think most in the paddock understood/understand that Melandri's results from last season were likely not a result of a lack of talent. Hayden has mentioned on a couple of occasions how hesitant he was to sign for Ducati. I'd imagine he has a get out clause.

Agree about the WSBK thing. My thought from the beginning was that Ducati signed Hayden to ride the GP09 and if it didn't work out, at least they had a top notch SBK rider in their stable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 16 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you might be right. I asked the question about who was influencing change at Ducati. I actually voted that Ducati was driving change, but the more I think about it, it might be Hayden's agent.

Ducati probably have the right to send Hayden to WSBK if he doesn't score will in the championship. Hayden probably has the right to terminate in the event his is removed from factory Ducati.

For Hayden to take the deal, he probably put in a clause or two about his ability to modify and setup the bike however he sees fit. He probably has the right to refuse junk he doesn't like, and he may even have Guareschi as his own personal test rider.

Ducati allegedly have built Hayden a new bike from the ground up. It seems that Hayden must have some special contractual powers in addition to his powers of persuasion.
I'm not sure his power extends as far as having Vitto as his personal tester, but I think you're right about him having more power over development as far as what he wants to try and what he doesn't. Additionally, I don't know that he has the power to request Ducati center development closer to what he asks for. The recent development work that was done for Hayden is in the best interest of Ducati, improving their bike for the other riders only allows them to sign better riders in the future.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 16 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you might be right. I asked the question about who was influencing change at Ducati. I actually voted that Ducati was driving change, but the more I think about it, it might be Hayden's agent.

Ducati probably have the right to send Hayden to WSBK if he doesn't score will in the championship. Hayden probably has the right to terminate in the event his is removed from factory Ducati.

For Hayden to take the deal, he probably put in a clause or two about his ability to modify and setup the bike however he sees fit. He probably has the right to refuse junk he doesn't like, and he may even have Guareschi as his own personal test rider.

Ducati allegedly have built Hayden a new bike from the ground up. It seems that Hayden must have some special contractual powers in addition to his powers of persuasion.
New bike? New settings perhaps,the carbon parts was probarbly for everyone,especially Stoner.I suspect they have altered the ECU alot to make it simpler,easier to use and tune in so that it becomes more predictable,in every turn.I think Guareshis work was done because they have realised the Ducati is much too narrow.

I think they dropped there chin and said WTF Hayden too?When he started the season.-It's got to be the bike then.
Sooner or later other riders need to do well on it other than Stoner.And Hayden desrves a real chance.

A technical question,wasn't/isn't the TC and on the Ducati different to the others as it cuts the fuel as well as ignition?
I have a vague memory of reading that it makes them save fuel compared to the others in some way.Maybe Ducati has been too eager to save fuel so the TC is not as smooth and needs to be tuned for every turn exit unlike competitors bikes.

Maybe that is the reason why the topspeed was pretty much equal between Yamaha,Honda and Ducati.
Maybe Ducati's new electronics doesn't save as much fuel (But is easier to tune in)and they had to lower the topspeed to save fuel.Any ideas?

This year in WSBK, the Ducati now cuts fuel. This was the only way to get TC legal for the road. I think after 2007 Ducati was cutting fuel in their GP bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 17 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This year in WSBK, the Ducati now cuts fuel. This was the only way to get TC legal for the road. I think after 2007 Ducati was cutting fuel in their GP bike.
OK thanks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 16 2009, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This year in WSBK, the Ducati now cuts fuel. This was the only way to get TC legal for the road. I think after 2007 Ducati was cutting fuel in their GP bike.

What do you mean. The TC version wasn't passing emissions without cutting fuel?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 17 2009, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean. The TC version wasn't passing emissions without cutting fuel?
If you didn't cut fuel, you'd end up spitting it out in to the exhaust. Hello backfire, goodbye cat.

Why don't they just run a 1 rider team?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Jun 17 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This year in WSBK, the Ducati now cuts fuel. This was the only way to get TC legal for the road. I think after 2007 Ducati was cutting fuel in their GP bike.


your are correct, i remember reading an article and it said ducati's gp bikes electronics save's the fuel in the corner's and would not finish a race on its current power without them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 19 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
SpeedTV:

Still suffering muscle soreness and pain from his race day virus Stoner was 1.39s faster than Hayden who complained of a "flat engine" in his bike during his tag team run with Stoner.

“Casey gets the bike turned better than me and accelerates earlier," Hayden said as he reflected on his Ducati tutorial. “He said the biggest area was off the corners. Casey said he was making up a lot of time on me off the corners and I think we went somewhere wrong with some electronics and we maybe had too much.

"He said he was about to run over the top of me coming onto the some of the straights. My engines felt a little flat and it seems strange that I was slower (than the race). There are so many electronic and mapping strategies, something can go wrong, but my acceleration was a little off compared to the race."

Following their high-speed class Stoner spoke to Hayden's new crew chief, Juan Martinez, while Hayden remained on track to run a solo lap.

Stoner was coy on the details saying that the Ducati team run was a way of assessing the strengths and weaknesses of both his and Hayden's set-up.

Right now there doesn't appear to be too much out of shape with Stoner's methods.

Ducati have said they would like Hayden to return next year.

In reaction Hayden said, “I’ve had my hands completely full trying to sort this bike out and I’d like to sort it out because I love the team and everybody is in my corner. Obviously we’ve got to do better to make that happen and ideally I’d like to be back, and I want Ducati to want me to be back because I’m getting results."

“It can beat you down but it’s not that hard," he added, reflecting on the mental toll the continued struggles have taken. "If I was going to give up I’d have given up a long time ago. This is easy to get motivated for."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jun 19 2009, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"If I was going to give up I'd have given up a long time ago. This is easy to get motivated for."

That's what Im talking about

What.............6th Gear ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (baldylocks @ Jun 24 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What.............6th Gear ?
Brilliant!

Ah, wit, such an art of very few artist.