WSBK is better racing because there is a great built in cost control in homologation and they can't just slap new parts on like they do in GP.
Have you seen what they can change from a spec bike?
Homologation means .... these days - it's a silhouette series only.
Homologation means .... these days - it's a silhouette series only.
Yeah all of them
WSBk is WSBK, MotoGP is MotoGP. Very different disciplines, but as a racer the former is more exciting, no-one can deny that
It is a philosophical question, and probably age related, with me on the wrong side of the age divide. I don't mind someone winning easily if they are much better than the field, which is not the same as supporting the presence of only 3 or 4 competitive bikes which are enormously expensive to boot.
I find wsbk contrived, and prefer wss, possibly because I don't know enough about the wss rules. As far as the quality of the riders goes, we have multiple comparisons both ways, (unfortunately) edwards, bayliss and spies going to motogp, and checa, biaggi and melandri going to wsbk. Rossi, admittedly at his absolute (fairly elevated) height jumped on a superbike for the suzuka marathon race and was 2 seconds a lap faster than edwards, then at the pinnacle of wsbk. Imo at least rossi, lorenzo, pedrosa and stoner are much better than the current wsbk field, hence who is best out of the wsbk field doesn't interest me as much, whether or not I approve of the current motogp formula.
Yeah we've talked about it on here before, but these are the reasons there are stale bikes in that series, the Honda being one of them. Aprilia was recently hit by the rules, no one is gonna have a massive technical advantage in WSBK without being able to sell .... loads of homologation specials. It's expensive to debut a new bike every two years so you can be competitive in SBK. look at the winners they''re on the newer bikes.
Firstly, No they are not my graphs. I posted those up because they clearly illustrate more power when mixing meth with pump fuel than pump fuel alone (which you disputed). Yes my engine is turbo charged which is why your talk about comp ratios were irrelevant in the context of my considering mapping my car to run on 20% meth 80% 99ron petrol. As i said, i would expect about a 10% increase in power. You are correct in saying it as less of a calorific value than petrol but what you didn't take into account is richening up the AFR's to compensate thus using more of it. I could also use more timing and boost pressure. The rest of your opinions are nonsense mate.
Bayliss won on the Ducati in 2006.
Vermeulen won on the Suzuki in 2007.
Melandri won on a sat Honda in '05 & '06.
They're 3 off the top of my head that have won both WSBK & MotoGP races but not had the factory Honda/Yamaha GP ride that you mention.
How would have these 3 gone on a HRC Repsol bike or full factory M1???
I agree with several of the posts above that the riders are of more interest than the bikes.
The better the riders the more interest there is in a championship. The more money, the better the riders.
So in a way it's money that makes a championship better.
As someone posted if Honda or Yamaha take their big money to WSBK they will also take the best riders they can.
If they paid big dollars and took Rossi & Lorenzo to WSBK then would MotoGP still be the premier bike championship?
If not how many more top riders (Pedrosa/Marquez/Dovi) would it take to tip the balance in SBKs direction?
It comes down to riders and money.
Carmelo needs Honda more than they need MotoGP for this reason.
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You just made a fanny o yourself. Rog runs an Impreza RB 320 which I know full well is looked after at proper tuning houses. The dyno graph provided is for his own car, he openly admits he's not runnin a bike just now.
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For ..... sake, Bayliss had a Honda in gp and did .... all.he was beaten to sbk titles on his beloved Ducati by Hodgeson, Edwards and Toseland who are slagged off on here regularlly. History flatters Bayliss put him on a Suzuki or Honda sbk he would have done jack ..... His go legacy is equal to Toni Elias. Stop digging this fanny up from your imagination that he was mick doohan. He was barely BarryMachine.
Those graphs i posted were just to show the gains to be made in running a petrol meth mix properly set up of course. I don't have any meth graphs of my own yet as i've not gone that route yet but i am toying with the idea and in conversation with my mapper about the change in fuels. He himself runs a meth / petrol mix in his own car. I posed those graphs because zoot claims there will be no power gains and i would just be diluting my fuel
You are correct though pete, my car is looked after by top tuners for work i am not able to do myself. my engine was built by a man who worked for F1 for 19 years. He also built your countrymans David Coultard's F1 engines. The man who i entrust my mapping too is considered one of the best in Europe, if not the world. My own personal graphs will follow shortly as i have had a boost issue.
I found the cause
Hey Pete, other than the flights out back to sunny Scootland, is there anything you find positive about Australia ?
No I didn't - read it again.
No they're not - you just don't understand the reasons why methanol is used.
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Hey Pete, other than the flights out back to sunny Scootland, is there anything you find positive about Australia ?
Gaz I would live to visit Oz and Mick Doohan is one of my all time heroes mate, also a huge McCoy fan. Whisper it on here but I'm also a Chad Reed fan! I would not knock the fact that Casey is an incredible rider, I'm never gonna be a fan though! The Bayliss thing annoys me, as he was beaten to WSBK titles by riders who are derided on here, and had his chance in motogp and did jack. Still people talk about him as if he is some kind of god who was unbeatable. Plus I'm fed up of him coming on here and telling folk they are gay.
Pete, and now I am going to get into dangerous territory but ......................................................... does it remind you or make you think of anyone?
Another phenomenon perhaps?
Or should I just say personality ?
Edit: Actually Pete, being fair Bayliss is from all reports a sensation guy who simply loves racing. Since retiring he has turned up at many club days and raced dirt track (Oz version) and one or two motard ride days .................. he just has no pretension about him (not personal experience there but told to me by people I do trust)
The graphs i posted show tuning an engine to run on 20% meth will give more power.
You say they don't add additives to petrol to be more det resistant. So what's the difference between 95ron and 99ron,, oh the additives. stick to your furniture mate cos you know .... all about engine tuning.
Bayliss was here and called someone gay?
Not sure if you're flying off at my post or just the Bayliss name does that to you?
Hopefully the second as I made no such statement of anyone being god.
Can't see why anyone would slag Edwards & I've not seen much of it. One of my favorite WSBK seasons was Edwards winning the WC on the RC51 in '02. The guy is a legend, on and off the track.
