Mugello MotoGP testing

Talpa said:

Actually I'm not a 'true' queenslander! But it is a pleasure to watch the current maroons, the team is quite remarkable. although it would be refreshing to see the blues back next year....

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The whole thing is a shameful waste of talent which would be better applied to rugby union, where more than 2 states in australia and 2 counties in england care about the results.



Out of interest, what sources are there for the abraham incident other than gpone? It is fairly clear that abraham was pissed off, but the exact nature of the incident still seems to lack definition.

Talpa said:

often conveniently left out those 52 extra wins........

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Also often conveniently ignored that stoner barring time travel had little opportunity to thwart those wins, not that his final tally of wins is likely to match rossi's.

BarryMachine said:

Something tells me hat for the rest of the year, Bridgestone will supply "very good examples of the control tyres" and " good advice to those who have no existing data " ( christ! when I remember that it all seems so crazy he is leading the WC at present!!

no wonder they are relying on BS to some extent! ).

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Well Bridgestone has to supply the tyre that suits the Hondathat is why they have a Bridgestone technician there so that they feedback andthings can be altered and suited to the Honda, its not a control tyre and is itnot that all the teams are reliant on the rubber that they race on? If that’s isnot right then no electronics or suspension setups will alter anything and that’swhat happened at Mugello with Casey! Barry don’t wonder, he IS and if you don’tknow by now why then I won’t explain it to you!



Will see what he will do at Sachsenring! He’s got a good record there he holds the fastest lap from 2008 at 1’21.067 and that was on the Duke…wow I wonder what he will do on the Honda next week!

michaelm said:

The whole thing is a shameful waste of talent which would be better applied to rugby union, where more than 2 states in australia and 2 counties in england care about the results.



Out of interest, what sources are there for the abraham incident other than gpone? It is fairly clear that abrhaam was pissed off, but the exact nature of the incident still seems to lack definition.

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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...toner-explains-abraham-bust-up/_/R-EPI-131570

Scotty said:

Well Bridgestone has to supply the tyre that suits the Hondathat is why they have a Bridgestone technician there so that they feedback andthings can be altered and suited to the Honda, its not a control tyre and is itnot that all the teams are reliant on the rubber that they race on? If that’s isnot right then no electronics or suspension setups will alter anything and that’swhat happened at Mugello with Casey! Barry don’t wonder, he IS and if you don’tknow by now why then I won’t explain it to you!



Will see what he will do at Sachsenring! He’s got a good record there he holds the fastest lap from 2008 at 1’21.067 and that was on the Duke…wow I wonder what he will do on the Honda next week!

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I predict he'll break another record as long as he has good time to set up and we don't get another rain/dry weekend.

hawkdriver said:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/s...toner-explains-abraham-bust-up/_/R-EPI-131570

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It would seem likely he was "being a ...." as kropotkin puts it about his pet issue given his known attitude in these circumstances then, but as you pointed out in regard to the hayden incident I haven't seen it, and in this case neither have you, so whether it was a deliberate baulk or he chose to not continue a fast lap does not appear to be established, and it is possible abraham wasn't paying close enough attention himself; you guys have been saying for months that it is ok to go slow on the racing line in practice in any case .

michaelm said:

Also often conveniently ignored that stoner barring time travel had little opportunity to thwart those wins, not that his final tally of wins is likely to match rossi's.

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And even then, Peeps hav a tendency of tallying the wins as if Yamaha & Ducati were evenly matched. Peeps dont factor in Stoners win 'in spite of the Duc.' but as ive been recently lead to believe package doesnt matter.



My speculative ignorance can only imagine what might have been if Stoner would hav been on something like what Rossi rode during their time in GP. This is what gets lost. Sure u can compare wins Stones vs Rossi, it may seem impressive enuf, now factor in what has "now" been revealed aboutfactory Ducati. (Yeah, i know, its all in my head, perhaps this is just another one of my Hayden apologies in disguise). If package doesnt matter, then why qualify Stoners wins, eh? Ah, never mind, lets just stick to straight up comparisons. Move along nothing to see or learn here. Btw, does 2011 count? Or should we put a disqualifing footnote?



Ducati.

michaelm said:

It would seem likely he was "being a ...." as kropotkin puts it about his pet issue given his known attitude in these circumstances then, but as you pointed in regard to the hayden incident I haven't seen it, and in this case neither have you, so whether it was a deliberate baulk or he chose to not continue a fast lap does not appear to be established, and it is possible abraham wasn't paying close enough attention himself; you guys have been saying for months that it is ok to go slow on the racing line in practice in any case

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You're right I didn't see it but Stoner admitting cutting throttle, that's not cool but you're also right about Abraham, getting a tow has risks because a guy doesn't have to stay on the limit like during a race. Now he knows to be careful and prepared for something dirty whether in front of Casey or behind him. Hopefully this will end after they talk and we don't see it escalate.

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You're right I didn't see it but Stoner admitting cutting throttle, that's not cool but you're also right about Abraham, getting a tow has risks because a guy doesn't have to stay on the limit like during a race. Now he knows to be careful and prepared for something dirty whether in front of Casey or behind him. Hopefully this will end after they talk and we don't see it escalate.

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i was mainly joking because you have turned out to be reasonably fair minded but my point was that stoner in this incident appears to be in the wrong because he slowed on the racing line whereas he has been trenchantly criticised and apparently has been in the wrong for being annoyed about other people doing it to him in the previous incidents. One could perhaps draw some conclusion that he is in the wrong regardless of the nature of the incident in the view of some.

Jumkie said:

.... ive been recently lead to believe package doesnt matter. ...

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Huhhuhhuh. Care to explain?

BarryMachine said:

only a true Bopper wouldn't get it or would deny it

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So I'm a bopper now? And a true on no less?



I got it, I was just having fun. And I imagine you are too I suppose.



For the record, if Rossi pumped my gas at a gas station this time last year I would have had no idea who he was. MotoGP isn't front page news in Canada, it's not even news, I have never seen it reported on in a local paper, the TV or talked about on the radio. For all intents and purposes it doesn't exist here, which is sad, it is a fantastic sport and I love it. I ended up waking up at 5am on Sundays because a friend pointed me in the right direction not because I heard some Italian guy was winning a lot for a while and I wanted a piece of the glory. And it looks like it would be a bad time to jump on that bandwagon anyway. Although also for the record I can see no shame in cheering for either of those two, they are both supremely talented individuals who I have a ton of respect for in terms of riding skills.



I started watching just as one's star is waxing as another's is beginning to wane. This will probably prove to be an interesting time and I'm glad I'll be here to watch it unfold. For me it's not about Rossi or Stoner, the battle between those two and more to the point the battle between the fans has been going on long before I'd ever heard of MotoGP and I have no interest in getting involved in that. It's about the racing and the machines. That's it. I think both sides go way overboard sometimes with the rider dogma. The best threads on this board are generally the ones where neither of those names gets mentioned. And the Viper-7 starting a thread, hilarity ensues threads. Those are pretty good too.

Jumkie said:

' but as ive been recently lead to believe package doesnt matter.

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Jums, I been telling my wife this for years.



























































..... still laughs at me and says 'that aint no package'















Gaz

Gaz said:

Jums, I been telling my wife this for years.









..... still laughs at me and says 'that aint no package'

Gaz

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Jumkie said:

And even then, Peeps hav a tendency of tallying the wins as if Yamaha & Ducati were evenly matched. Peeps dont factor in Stoners win 'in spite of the Duc.' but as ive been recently lead to believe package doesnt matter.



My speculative ignorance can only imagine what might have

been if Stoner would hav been on something like what Rossi

rode during their time in GP. This is what gets lost. Sure u can

compare wins Stones vs Rossi, it may seem impressive enuf,

now factor in what has "now" been revealed aboutfactory Ducati.

(Yeah, i know, its all in my head, perhaps this is just another

one of my Hayden apologies in disguise). If package doesnt

matter, then why qualify Stoners wins, eh? Ah, never mind, lets

just stick to straight up comparisons. Move along nothing to see

or learn here. Btw, does 2011 count? Or should we put a

disqualifing footnote?

Ducati.

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no no, let's talk about 2011 for sure. How is it then that when a Demi-god such as Stoner is competing in a motogp race in 2011 on the Honda can be beaten at all?



Let's then include Honda in your disclaimer, for a few times already this season the 'great one' has been beaten by others on the same bike......how is it possible? Does this mean that Dovi, Dani and Jorge are also proving that Rossi is 'not so good'? Would this trio be able to consistently win on the Ducati?could any of the younger aliens win a 500cc title? Could Stoner win on a Yamaha? Would his style suit the M1? Maybe not as it is quite different again.......



The absurdity of all of my questions above is quite apparent for the simple fact that drawing absolute conclusions after less than

half a season on a topic such as this with it's history..... is more

than silly......it's berry

Gaz said:

Jums, I been telling my wife this for years.



























































..... still laughs at me and says 'that aint no package'

Gaz

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Good one Gaz. As long as you dont have front end tuck problems like ducati and pinky, your all good.

Jumkie said:

And even then, Peeps hav a tendency of tallying the wins as if Yamaha & Ducati were evenly matched. Peeps dont factor in Stoners win 'in spite of the Duc.' but as ive been recently lead to believe package doesnt matter.

Ducati.

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Really? Gentlemen of the court I give you exhibit "D".

OMFuckingG! U guys r hilarious! Bravo bravo well done! Gaz! Hahaha, fantastic bro, & Mdub follows it up with a scorcher! Hehe. My boy Kesh, what are u doing with my shorts i had made to display a representation of whats underneath the hood? Jaja.

Even Talps, ur still an ....., but ur last line, its more than silly, its berry. Haha.



U know guys, this place provides so much good times. Its like im sitting at a bar with friends cracking jokes.



(Talps, dont get ur panties wet, i use the word "friends" loosely when it applies to u.) i know u said ur not a true "queenslander" but ur are def a Queen!



Stef, the package quip, its an inside joke, sorta.

Jumkie said:

OMFuckingG! U guys r hilarious! Bravo bravo well done! Gaz! Hahaha, fantastic bro, & Mdub follows it up with a scorcher! Hehe. My boy Kesh, what are u doing with my shorts i had made to display a representation of whats underneath the hood? Jaja.

Even Talps, ur still an ....., but ur last line, its more than silly, its

berry. Haha.



U know guys, this place provides so much good times. Its like im sitting at a bar with friends cracking jokes.



(Talps, dont get ur panties wet, i use the word "friends" loosely when it applies to u.) i know u said ur not a true "queenslander"



but ur are def a Queen!

Stef, the package quip, its an inside joke, sorta

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yep Gaz that was truly brilliant!! Bravo mate

Talpa said:

no no, let's talk about 2011 for sure. How is it then that when a Demi-god such as Stoner is competing in a motogp race in 2011 on the Honda can be beaten at all?

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You and others such as nino have said this at least semi-seriously on a number of occasions, while I and most stoner fans have never actually said stoner is better than rossi. He would have to be better than rossi and mick doohan to do this, since neither won every race even in their best years both riding and equipment wise, in which they definitely did not compete against anyone of the calibre of jorge lorenzo.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Good one Gaz. As long as you dont have front end tuck problems like ducati and pinky, your all good.

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Nah mate, I get overnight special rubbers







































Gaz