Mugello MotoGp Race Mugello 22

Bern1 · May 28, 2022

Well that was eventful. I have to hand it to Marquez for a gutsy performance all in.
Tomorrow will be exciting regardless of the grid positions today.
Great to have those new guys slotting in at the top.
Rain tomorrow or sun? I haven’t checked but will be a cracking race regardless.
If rain, Zarco. If sun………..I’ll go with Fabio against odds.

Bern1 · May 28, 2022

Mick D said:
Q1 was fun but scary. MM proved that very quickly in Q2. BT commentators are complete idiots. Seeing a tennis star's Dr. ain't gonna help if he keeps this crap up.

Yes, these commentators are complete idiots. They are not even entertaining. Their rhetorical questions and questions asked of riders are so stupid and transparently vapid. Even in the pressers, the riders do a great job of being polite when the questioning is so ridiculous. I have kind of given up watching those. Best info seems to be quotes off camera , though how reliable can those really be? I’m not an investigative reporter so it’s really hard to sift through all this talk.

The big news has to be MM’s stepping away again. Makes his performance this morning even more worthy of respect and admiration. Though I remain convinced that the greatest of the greats are those that don’t fall or at least not very much. MM will always remain an outlier. We’ve never seen anybody like him before.

It’s telling that after deciding to have yet more surgery on his arm, he continues to push himself beyond the limit. It’s not a better recipe now than it was two years ago.

Bern1 · May 28, 2022

mylexicon said:
Marc Marquez Stepping Away From 2022 Season After Mugello; Surgery

He’s not really factoring in the championship, but it will be interesting to see what direction bike development goes without him

I’ll bet it goes in the direction of Honda engineers “great ideas.” For better or for worse.
Pol is not generating any confidence that he is up to the task with his lack of performance and his schoolboy demeanor and body language. He looks whipped.

His comments during testing and since seem pretty reliable evidence that he cannot be relied upon to advise the direction of development.

The rider capable of that was Lorenzo. Unfortunately Jorge could not will himself to separate his analytical side completely from his desire to win races himself. It’s too bad but it is what it is.

Which direction the Honda takes will be interesting. I hope they get somebody in the team who is capable of doing what needs to be done to make the bike competitive.

I don’t really know who that is. Anybody want to make that prediction?

mylexicon · May 28, 2022

FP3 Results:

1. Francesco Bagnaia - ITA - Ducati Lenovo (GP22) - 1'45.393s
2. Aleix Espargaro - SPA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +0.276s
3. Luca Marini - ITA - Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) - +0.369s
4. Johann Zarco - FRA - Pramac Ducati (GP22) - +0.374s
5. Marco Bezzecchi - ITA - Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP21)* - +0.460s
6. Enea Bastianini - ITA - Gresini Ducati (GP21) - +0.467s
7. Jorge Martin - SPA - Pramac Ducati (GP22) - +0.486s
8. Pol Espargaro - SPA - Repsol Honda (RC213V) - +0.487s
9. Takaaki Nakagami - JPN - LCR Honda (RC213V) - +0.606s
10. Fabio Quartararo - FRA - Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) - +0.639s
11. Maverick Viñales - SPA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +0.667s
12. Alex Rins - SPA - Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - +0.671s
13. Fabio Di Giannantonio - ITA - Gresini Ducati (GP21)* - +0.723s
14. Miguel Oliveira - POR - Red Bull KTM (RC16) - +0.761s
15. Jack Miller - AUS - Ducati Lenovo (GP22) - +0.776s
16. Joan Mir - SPA - Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - +0.944s
17. Alex Marquez - SPA - LCR Honda (RC213V) - +0.970s
18. Franco Morbidelli - ITA - Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) - +1.090s
19. Brad Binder - RSA - Red Bull KTM (RC16) - +1.107s
20. Michele Pirro - ITA - Aruba.it Racing (GP22) - +1.164s
21. Marc Marquez - SPA - Repsol Honda (RC213V) - +1.184s
22. Raul Fernandez - SPA - KTM Tech3 (RC16)* - +1.346s
23. Remy Gardner - AUS - KTM Tech3 (RC16)* - +1.546s
24. Darryn Binder - RSA - WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1)* - +1.570s
25. Andrea Dovizioso - ITA - WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1) - +1.630s
26. Lorenzo Savadori - ITA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +1.653s

mylexicon · May 28, 2022

FP4 Results:

1. Francesco Bagnaia - ITA - Ducati Lenovo (GP22) - 1'46.614s
2. Marco Bezzecchi - ITA - Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP21)* - +0.433s
3. Marc Marquez - SPA - Repsol Honda (RC213V) - +0.461s
4. Miguel Oliveira - POR - Red Bull KTM (RC16) - +0.535s
5. Jack Miller - AUS - Ducati Lenovo (GP22) - +0.535s
6. Alex Rins - SPA - Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - +0.613s
7. Brad Binder - RSA - Red Bull KTM (RC16) - +0.629s
8. Pol Espargaro - SPA - Repsol Honda (RC213V) - +0.733s
9. Jorge Martin - SPA - Pramac Ducati (GP22) - +0.745s
10. Maverick Viñales - SPA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +0.791s
11. Franco Morbidelli - ITA - Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) - +0.825s
12. Aleix Espargaro - SPA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +0.846s
13. Takaaki Nakagami - JPN - LCR Honda (RC213V) - +0.885s
14. Johann Zarco - FRA - Pramac Ducati (GP22) - +0.960s
15. Joan Mir - SPA - Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - +1.009s
16. Alex Marquez - SPA - LCR Honda (RC213V) - +1.101s
17. Raul Fernandez - SPA - KTM Tech3 (RC16)* - +1.221s
18. Luca Marini - ITA - Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) - +1.315s
19. Fabio Di Giannantonio - ITA - Gresini Ducati (GP21)* - +1.364s
20. Lorenzo Savadori - ITA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +1.569s
21. Michele Pirro - ITA - Aruba.it Racing (GP22) - +1.640s
22. Enea Bastianini - ITA - Gresini Ducati (GP21) - +1.651s
23. Darryn Binder - RSA - WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1)* - +1.673s
24. Remy Gardner - AUS - KTM Tech3 (RC16)* - +2.353s
25. Andrea Dovizioso - ITA - WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1) - +2.997s
26. Fabio Quartararo - FRA - Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) - +9.039s

mylexicon · May 28, 2022

Full Qualifying Results:

1. Fabio Di Giannantonio - ITA - Gresini Ducati (GP21)* - 1'46.156s
2. Marco Bezzecchi - ITA - Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP21)* - +0.088s
3. Luca Marini - ITA - Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) - +0.171s
4. Johann Zarco - FRA - Pramac Ducati (GP22) - +0.227s
5. Francesco Bagnaia - ITA - Ducati Lenovo (GP22) - +0.315s
6. Fabio Quartararo - FRA - Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) - +0.350s
7. Aleix Espargaro - SPA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - +0.351s
8. Takaaki Nakagami - JPN - LCR Honda (RC213V) - +0.405s
9. Pol Espargaro - SPA - Repsol Honda (RC213V) - +0.511s
10. Enea Bastianini - ITA - Gresini Ducati (GP21) - +0.523s
11. Jorge Martin** - SPA - Pramac Ducati (GP22) - +1.067s
12. Marc Marquez - SPA - Repsol Honda (RC213V) - +1.312s
. Qualifying 1: - - -
13. Jack Miller - AUS - Ducati Lenovo (GP22) - 1'47.621s
14. Michele Pirro - ITA - Aruba.it Racing (GP22) - 1'48.209s
15. Miguel Oliveira - POR - Red Bull KTM (RC16) - 1'48.231s
16. Brad Binder - RSA - Red Bull KTM (RC16) - 1'48.255s
17. Joan Mir - SPA - Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - 1'48.732s
18. Alex Marquez - SPA - LCR Honda (RC213V) - 1'48.846s
19. Remy Gardner - AUS - KTM Tech3 (RC16)* - 1'48.907s
20. Darryn Binder - RSA - WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1)* - 1'49.471s
21. Alex Rins - SPA - Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - 1'50.266s
22. Lorenzo Savadori - ITA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - 1'50.27s
23. Franco Morbidelli - ITA - Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) - 1'55.369s
24. Maverick Viñales - SPA - Aprilia Racing (RS-GP) - 1'56.479s
25. Raul Fernandez - SPA - KTM Tech3 (RC16)* - 1'57.106s
26. Andrea Dovizioso - ITA - WithU Yamaha RNF (YZR-M1) - 1'57.671s

Fabs on top in Mugello.......oh wait! Race is supposed to be dry tomorrow if the forecast holds. Mugello could be interesting.

mylexicon · May 28, 2022

Quartararo: I Will Support Marquez' Decision

Marc-Fabio bromance heats up

warthog1 · May 28, 2022

Bern1 said:
Yes, these commentators are complete idiots. They are not even entertaining. Their rhetorical questions and questions asked of riders are so stupid and transparently vapid. Even in the pressers, the riders do a great job of being polite when the questioning is so ridiculous. I have kind of given up watching those. Best info seems to be quotes off camera , though how reliable can those really be? I’m not an investigative reporter so it’s really hard to sift through all this talk.

The big news has to be MM’s stepping away again. Makes his performance this morning even more worthy of respect and admiration. Though I remain convinced that the greatest of the greats are those that don’t fall or at least not very much. MM will always remain an outlier. We’ve never seen anybody like him before.

It’s telling that after deciding to have yet more surgery on his arm, he continues to push himself beyond the limit. It’s not a better recipe now than it was two years ago.

He has had great success pushing the front harder than anyone else has been able.
Yes it has been costly too. No longer the strength to do it and it is potentially harder to save the front with the added downforce the bikes now have.
I hope we get to see a bit more of him post another surgery.
The best is probably behind him but bloody hell I enjoyed watching it [emoji41]

mylexicon · May 29, 2022

Amazing race from FBags. He didn’t get a great start, but he got the job done, and rode a perfect race from the front. Nice recovery this week from Fabio. Le Mans was a disappointment, but he managed to claw back points against Aleix, who notched 4 podiums in a row.

VR46 guys stayed tough. Awesome rides.

Suzuki! What was that? Rins hasn’t scored since being tied for the championship lead. Total meltdown.

Bern1 · May 29, 2022

That was quite a race! Great job by the young guns at the front throughout the race. They faded but kept their cool. The now habitual meltdowns from Mir, Rins and Pol. I’ve grown to expect it from Mir but was hoping for more from Rins. He’s been taking too many lessons from Mir. Awesome performance by Fabio Q for championship points and steely first for Pecco. Aleix showing confidence in him well placed with a veteran’s display of race craft. Awesome day at Mugello!

mylexicon · May 29, 2022

Reviewed Bastianini's weekend, but not sure what to make of it. He was in position all weekend (FP4 irrelevant due to weather), and he managed to make QP2 in poor conditions. He appeared poised in the race to make his characteristic late charge, but he threw it down the road.

Not really rooting for anyone in particular, but the championship has basically been a blinking contest between Fabs and Aleix. At the moment, Bastianini is the only person who can shake things up, but he cannot score consistently.

I guess we'll have to wait for Bags to get close in the second half of the season. I can't see Bastianini putting it together at this point, and I don't see Aleix or Fabs blinking, unless they get some help or some crazy weather.

Mrpurple · May 29, 2022

Is that a pointing alligator??

warthog1 · May 29, 2022

Pecco is starting to look fast again. Fabio will be watching him catch up in the points by riding away in the races.

Fabio is riding the wheels off that Yam but it just doesn't have the engine.

Bern1 · May 29, 2022

Fabio is mentally really strong as well as on the bike. He’s like Lorenzo in that he rides at the ragged edge but it doesn’t look ragged. I’m betting he is going to win some more races this summer. Pecco will win some more as well but he will have a lot of competition at Ducati strong tracks. The other Ducatis will soon have nothing to lose, as they are eliminating themselves from championship contention. Fabs will have Aleix to shadow him but he will be able to handle it. We’ll see.

Keshav · May 29, 2022

Great race. Nothing special to add except, Fabio's just great.

Mick D · May 30, 2022

JPSLotus said:
I didn't watch, but what did the bt sports people do?

Just their usual b.s. Fawning over bits, mythologizing MM, and shockingly bad takes on almost everything.

mylexicon · May 30, 2022

Rins: Nakagami One Of The Most Dangerous Riders

Not sure if complaining in the safety meeting about Nakagami is a good use of time

Bern1 · May 30, 2022

mylexicon said:
Rins: Nakagami One Of The Most Dangerous Riders

Not sure if complaining in the safety meeting about Nakagami is a good use of time

There are things about the modern coverage of sports that are very revelatory, especially at the top echelons.

Here you can watch, almost in real time, a person mentally unraveling in public. I didn’t really see the incident, especially from all the camera angles, which may or may not assess the blame where it is due.

Simply the fact that Rins is ranting in public to a reporter with the camera rolling is enough the to show his now relatively fragile mental state.

Without having talked to the other rider first after a cool down period it is not good form to slag somebody else on camera.

Unless I’m missing something and Nakagami was really out of line. Seems more likely it was “just racing,” as most of these incidents are.

I like Rins but this kind of thing happens more often to riders who are not really at the tip top of accomplishment.

Guys like Marquez, Fabio, Lorenzo (take your own pick of other greats) make decisive passes that stick, with no debate necessary.

mylexicon · May 30, 2022

Bern1 said:
There are things about the modern coverage of sports that are very revelatory, especially at the top echelons.

Here you can watch, almost in real time, a person mentally unraveling in public. I didn’t really see the incident, especially from all the camera angles, which may or may not assess the blame where it is due.

Simply the fact that Rins is ranting in public to a reporter with the camera rolling is enough the to show his now relatively fragile mental state.

Without having talked to the other rider first after a cool down period it is not good form to slag somebody else on camera.

Unless I’m missing something and Nakagami was really out of line. Seems more likely it was “just racing,” as most of these incidents are.

I like Rins but this kind of thing happens more often to riders who are not really at the tip top of accomplishment.

Guys like Marquez, Fabio, Lorenzo (take your own pick of other greats) make decisive passes that stick, with no debate necessary.

Yeah, Rins hasn’t scored a point since he was tied for the championship lead after portimao, and it’s wearing him down. Maybe Suzuki have already started losing press agents and other PR people who can easily jump ship, and Rins felt like giving a candid interview.

Plenty of riders have responded in anger, Casey was notorious for that sort of thing, but he usually complained about things like Rossi making a pass while exceeding track limits. Occasionally one of the front runners would complain about Toni Scud Missile Elias going on a rampage.

But I don’t ever recall a rider blaming his terrible weekend on another rider after blowing qualifying. Maybe Portimao gave Rins some sort of god-complex or something.

Keshav · May 30, 2022

Bern1 said:
There are things about the modern coverage of sports that are very revelatory, especially at the top echelons.

As insipid as it can sometimes be, at least we no longer have to listen to Nick Harris use the phrase "Nine-Times-World-Champion-Valentino-Rossi" every 10 seconds and getting himself all lathered up with race-long commenatary about Eugene Laverty all the way back in 23rd place.

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