motogp jerez test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 29 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not sure fully declaring his hand by throwing down ridiculously fast times is necessarily the best strategy for stoner in the real racing; last year rather than intimidating rossi it informed him and jb as to where they needed to be, a place they often eventually found. I guess he is always going to go for the win in this quasi-official contest though, probably what ducati would want too.

Interesting point Michaelm, although I think that Casey always goes as fast as he can, that's his nature and also his main strength. He is not a tactical kind of guy. We can pretty much say the same for Ducati, with their phylosophy of uncompromising performance.

Casey first opens all the throttle and then tries to manage whatever comes, Ducati design for peak power and then try to manage it with electronics etc., but never think of smoothing it down to make things easier.

So that's probably where they meet and why they work so well together. Not much room for tacticism in that kind of approach...

Rossi was slowly catching Stoner's time until Stoner came out and took nearly a second of his own time, then the rain ended the session a few minutes early.

Near the end the camera was on Rossi in his pit box and he held his right hand up and was pointing at the Yamaha name down the side of his forearm. It looked like he was pointing at a mark which suggested some elbow down action to me or he touched another rider. Either way, the lean angle on those MotoGP bikes is crazy!

Toseland went down in a big high-side, but eventually the report was that he's okay. It didn't look good though, as he wasn't moving a lot in the gravel and was stretchered off. That's two big crashes during the testing season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 29 2009, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree. Suzuki were quick in the Qatar test the other week - it looks encouraging, and it's good to see....

Ride of the day, after Casey...let's hear it for Marco. How much money in the end has been forceably prized out of Kawasaki and channelled to that Hayate squad via Dorna?

Suzuki are really giving full attention. And I'm sure there is some solid crow to eat for someone ^^^ on the Melandri thing... . I hate to say I told you so but, I did.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 29 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hayden beaten by the all the ducati riders (the ones that count anyway) ... told ya so

YOUR an ... and you want to thank yourself lucky i dont mod here because by the time you pressed the first key to another stupid user name id ban your scrawny little skull.

i noticed some talk during testing about ducati and there combination of using different materials, CF and alloy.

im sure i heard one of the coms saying the test rider was trying a combination of both alloy frame? CF swingarm, and carbon fibre frame and alloy swingarm.

dam thats not reducing costs thats going the whole hog LOL but fairplay it is a prototype series.

hats off to them looks like they are giving it everything for this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 29 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i noticed some talk during testing about ducati and there combination of using different materials, CF and alloy.

im sure i heard one of the coms saying the test rider was trying a combination of both alloy frame? CF swingarm, and carbon fibre frame and alloy swingarm.

dam thats not reducing costs thats going the whole hog LOL but fairplay it is a prototype series.

hats off to them looks like they are giving it everything for this season.
I guess those kinds of inovations are some kind of proof that cost cutting will make it more expensive for the makers.

Kallio (6th) said:

- Between yesterday and this morning we have studied the situation of the track and the bike. Together with my Technical Director, Fabiano Sterlacchini, we have put together all the positive things we found and we had an almost perfect bike, Mika told.
- I still lose too much time in the last sector otherwise we could have finished in an even better position. We are doing a great work and I believe we can keep up the good work also in the first race in Qatar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Mar 29 2009, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kallio (6th) said:

- Between yesterday and this morning we have studied the situation of the track and the bike. Together with my Technical Director, Fabiano Sterlacchini, we have put together all the positive things we found and we had an almost perfect bike, Mika told.
- I still lose too much time in the last sector otherwise we could have finished in an even better position. We are doing a great work and I believe we can keep up the good work also in the first race in Qatar.

Mikka is seriously talented and is showing he can adapt to the changing bike track and tyres. 2010 he may get his shot at a factory ride....

Ugh, Hayden looks awful.

However, there is a silver lining in the storm clouds hanging over his career. If he can find a few tenths he will improve 4 or 5 positions. Stoner is unreachable at this point, so are Rossi and Lorenzo.

3rd FP a bust!

So what have we really learned prior to the 2009 championship?

1. Stoner and Rossi are 1 & 2 - you pick 'em
2. The Suzukis are no joke, they are competitive this year
3. JT is in trouble, injuries aside he has a confidence mountain to climb
4. Lorenzo is fast and a threat to win races if he keeps the rubber down
5. Repsol's in bigger trouble than anyone's admitting
6. Others CAN ride the Duc fast and its gonna be fun to see who's #2 at season's end
7. Colin & Cappy can still ride kudos to the vetrans
8. Marco, too, can still ride... the bike... who knows
9. The rest - let the racing begin!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 29 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not sure fully declaring his hand by throwing down ridiculously fast times is necessarily the best strategy for stoner in the real racing; last year rather than intimidating rossi it informed him and jb as to where they needed to be, a place they often eventually found. I guess he is always going to go for the win in this quasi-official contest though, probably what ducati would want too.


i agree stoner's single lap times are brutal and i dont think any rider could of matched that pace today.

stoner's favourate scenario for a win is to get pole then try and pull away with an open track lap by lap and thats where hes most deadly is from front row, starting behind a pole sitter seems to hinder his rythm and thats why these fast laps/pole is important to him.

i bet that rear tyre looked ragged after that hammering time he set today, its good for pole and for these events but not realistic over race distance, he could'nt set lap after lap in these times as the bike would not let him as it calculates fuel to finish the race and also tyre degradation comes into play.

but these fast laps are trully spectacular to watch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 29 2009, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>YOUR an ... and you want to thank yourself lucky i dont mod here because by the time you pressed the first key to another stupid user name id ban your scrawny little skull.

I don't see anything deserving a ban in that comment, unlike yours.

Must suck for you to see your rider beaten up by pretty much everyone with the same bike but you should be used to it by now, it's not a novelty!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Mar 29 2009, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see anything deserving a ban in that comment, unlike yours.

Must suck for you to see your rider beaten up by pretty much everyone with the same bike but you should be used to it by now, it's not a novelty!


a HUGE LMFAO ...dam classic, il think you find all my riders got beat today im not bothered.

where have you been? you been sleeping for the last 2 years? when pinky starts with a dig like this you know your going to get a storybook of bull.

nevermind il tell you what as you seem to miss pinkys nonsense...il copy paste and send it straight to your inbox.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Mar 29 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Must suck for you to see your rider beaten up by pretty much everyone with the same bike but you should be used to it by now, it's not a novelty!
It must suck not having Danny the Spaniard around to root for eh Teo, oh and your Kawasaki riders, yeah they are gone. ... for tat. Now go back to your cave.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 29 2009, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>a HUGE LMFAO ...dam classic, il think you find all my riders got beat today im not bothered.

where have you been? you been sleeping for the last 2 years? when pinky starts with a dig like this you know your going to get a storybook of bull.

nevermind il tell you what as you seem to miss pinkys nonsense...il copy paste and send it straight to your inbox.

I was away and busy and lost interest half way through last season, now that it starts again I'm looking forward to the races! Or maybe it just was the LCR new sponsor that caught my attention!
I remember reading a lot of crap written by Pinky but, this in particular might be annoying for some but hardly a banning issue.

Anyway back to topic, there seems to be a big group of riders very close to each other from Kallio 6th down to De Angelis 15th all within a second, should provide some nice racing.

Casey seems the favourite for the title, but of course Rossi is gonna be there, Lorenzo and the Suzukis seems to be reasonable close.

I will be interesting to see the progression of the rookies, Kallio and Canepa, though this Canepa kid seems quite slow so far.

We'll see where Honda stands when the races comes, right now it might be a bit deceiving.

i had some thought's about the ducati...

other bikes seem to have a wider range... more user freindly for riders to get settled but the ducati either works or doesnt work at all, like there no in between.

thats why its annoying when people say about hayden and other riders... but there is no excuse for melandri....
Getting the perfect arrangement is what makes the ducati work where as other bikes dont need so much attention.

look at stoner last season for example and also elias, when the bike worked for stoner last season it really worked when it didnt it really didnt.... for elias to, it was mid-pack or closer to the end runners but when he hit that magical sweet spot he was on the podium.

its gettin the bike to click to that "sweetspot"... kalio today is another example now he has somewhere to work from, he done awesome today and said he thinks he will be ok for the first race so something obviously just clicked for him. Now im not promising hayden will get a good base right away but we must be patient cos i really think its hit or miss and i hope for the serious graft hayden puts in he will get his reward.

you couldnt have had a better match for rider and bike in 2007 stoner was amazingly fast from the box and he got his reward. Hayden still looks abit wobbly on the bike if it clicks for him he will be at the front to.

as for honda its only a matter of time before they try and get ducati's all CF machine banned...and they will use the "this is not cost cutting" or "they have a unfair advantage" or even "this is not good for the sport" excuse.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 29 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as for honda its only a matter of time before they try and get ducati's all CF machine banned...and they will use the "this is not cost cutting" or "they have a unfair advantage" or even "this is not good for the sport" excuse.
Don't think so but they may try to get it banned. Ducati has developed the thing since mid last year so it isn't a surprise. The Aluminium frame is a new addition to the mix but this also may hhave been there the whole time we just didn't know about it yet. If Ducati is smart they will surely find worse of the 3 frames and put certain bikes on them so they can continue what they were doing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Mar 29 2009, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't think so but they may try to get it banned. Ducati has developed the thing since mid last year so it isn't a surprise. The Aluminium frame is a new addition to the mix but this also may hhave been there the whole time we just didn't know about it yet. If Ducati is smart they will surely find worse of the 3 frames and put certain bikes on them so they can continue what they were doing.


lol i know my reason wasnt the best choices but you never know with honda

ducati are going all out in evolving there beast... bout dam time honda done the same and stopped listening to dani and earwig puig and resumed development.

i hope dovi dont get screwed over at honda cos hes very talented and could go along way if honda just listend to him a little.

Surely Hayden wants to be further up but realistically he was not going to win the car so why try? He needs the day to screw with the bike and hopefully in Qatar he will start to click with it. I am still confident come race day he will be there.