motogp jerez test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 31 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he was fastest in testing last year and showed his hand to soon to win the beamer, look where that got him (rossi 08 champ). you have a short memory berry.
As you and I have both said in this thread, being faster in practice likely avails stoner not against rossi. However, he won the beamer last year basically because it rained, he wasn't fast in the dry and has never been at jerez before. I would see him being 2.7 seconds faster than his fastest race lap last year as a hopeful sign, but letting rossi and jb know this is probably not very smart. He certainly can't need another beamer too badly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 31 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think stoner has really tried to play mind games with rossi; as j4rno says stoner does what he does. I agree that trying to play mind games with rossi would be futile if he did try it. As for the effect of rossi on stoner I think it will depend on stoner's early season results and how confident he is in himself and his bike; he didn't seem very susceptible to mind games or pressure from rossi in 2007.
I wasn't suggesting that Casey had, or intended to. Barry suggested that his performance on Sunday had phased Rossi, which is nonsense.

I agree that Casey only ever knows how to go full chat - that's his approach, which is why he binned the Michelin shod LCR Honda so many times in '06. No mind games, just flat stick everywhere. If he can dominate all practise sessions from the off, stick it on pole and win the race by a country mile, then no mind games necessary.

Rossi's approach throughout the weekend is of course more measured, and although he psychologically owns the grid, and occasionally as he see's fit prods the right buttons where his rivals are concerned, as we all know, most of his talking is on track - on race day- that's why he's 8 times World Champion.

Casey loves to be the fastest - Rossi loves to race. There's a difference.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 31 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi's approach throughout the weekend is of course more measured, and although he psychologically owns the grid, and occasionally as he see's fit prods the right buttons where his rivals are concerned, as we all know, most of his talking is on track - on race day- that's why he's 8 times World Champion.

Casey loves to be the fastest - Rossi loves to race. There's a difference.
Sure, I am not saying rossi won't outride stoner, just that I don't think he will psychologically dominate him, as I think stoner is pretty tough, particularly if his bike is faster . Of course I did say this last year as well, and was seemingly proven wrong in the two races after laguna seca; my argument was that the pressure of trying to retain the championship from a nearly impossible position applied as well as any scars from laguna seca.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Mar 31 2009, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tom, Berry, Pinky




Just curious, which one is Pinky?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Mar 31 2009, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

Just curious, which one is Pinky?
Curve put them in order for you buddy.


I love what this thread has turned into. Thanks guys,this the kind of stuff that keeps me logging in before I go to work. God I hope they have an internet machine in that next ...... Texas town you going to Curve! Hey man, stop ....... around and get your flight and tix to WSBK Utah! Hahaha.

Kudos to Stoner for destroying the field this weekend. As far as showing his hand to early goes that is ridiculous. I'll bet Burgess got the message loud and clear and probably hasn't slept too well since Sunday. How do you close up 8 tenths? At the end of an average race that is around a 20 second gap. Gigantic. The majority of development & testing is now done and Qatar is right around the corner so it's actually too late to respond. The bikes are crated up and are being shipped off to the middle east. Burgess knows they are in deep trouble. Can Rossi override enough to make a difference? Stoner can lap under his potential and still run away from everyone at this stage.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 1 2009, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Burgess knows they are in deep trouble.

LMAO!!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2009, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kudos to Stoner for destroying the field this weekend. As far as showing his hand to early goes that is ridiculous. I'll bet Burgess got the message loud and clear and probably hasn't slept too well since Sunday. How do you close up 8 tenths? At the end of an average race that is around a 20 second gap. Gigantic. The majority of development & testing is now done and Qatar is right around the corner so it's actually too late to respond. The bikes are crated up and are being shipped off to the middle east. Burgess knows they are in deep trouble. Can Rossi override enough to make a difference? Stoner can lap under his potential and still run away from everyone at this stage.
Are you for real ? testing and racing are 2 totally different things. Sure stoner was fastest in testing but the season hasn't started yet. this is just a rossi haters wishful thinking .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 31 2009, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you for real ? testing and racing are 2 totally different things. Sure stoner was fastest in testing but the season hasn't started yet. this is just a rossi haters wishful thinking .
gfan must have forgot the lap disparity between practice and what actually transpired during the race at Laguna eh Rog.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2009, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How do you close up 8 tenths?

oh yee of little faith
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 31 2009, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>gfan must have forgot the lap disparity between practice and what actually transpired during the race at Laguna eh Rog.
1 think it was a whole second at laguna seca.

The jerez thing is obviously also artificial even compared to a normal race qualification, and stoner's startling lap was way ahead of his other fast laps.

Well the thread was getting a little dead so...I injected some controversy. Nothing wrong with that. It brought out the usual Rossi defenders. Come on the race day is coming let's get the trash talk going.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 31 2009, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1 think it was a whole second at laguna seca.

The jerez thing is obviously also artificial even compared to a normal race qualification, and stoner's startling lap was way ahead of his otherfast laps.
Stoner's 3rd lap of the day was good for the BMW. Out of his 8 full laps, 4 were faster than anyone else's. Yeah, he fired off one lap that was way out in front, but he was consistently fast up to that point as well. It's also something that he's made a bit of a habit out of over the last couple of years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2009, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the thread was getting a little dead so...I injected some controversy. Nothing wrong with that. It brought out the usual Rossi defenders. Come on the race day is coming let's get the trash talk going.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Mar 31 2009, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the thread was getting a little dead so...I injected some controversy. Nothing wrong with that. It brought out the usual Rossi defenders. Come on the race day is coming let's get the trash talk going.




It sure doesn't take much to get them all stirred up...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Apr 1 2009, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>


It sure doesn't take much to get them all stirred up...
no ..... it doesn't, just a bit of ........ or an outlandish remark is all it take's, and who's them ?

I love this .....
Racing is getting closer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 1 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love this .....
Racing is getting closer.
That makes this forum alive mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Apr 1 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DAM i was just watching some footage of kalio @ motogp.com and the duc looks very smooth for him and i believe he can still push it harder as it doesnt look on the limit.

look at his body positioning...hmmmm has he been learning some tricks from watching stoner?

he looked very comfortable on the footage i seen.


Havent seen the footage so can't judge for myself but if what you say is indeed correct, could it be that the Ducati works for recent 250cc riders and not those who have had to already change their riding styles for the bigger bikes?

Yes, I realise that Stoner had a full season on the big bikes beforet he Ducati but as many want to remind, whilst he was blindingly fast he was also gravel rashed repeatedly and again, as often remined it did not change his approach to 2007 where he was all or nothing. So, with Kallio a recent 250cc rider is it possible that the Ducati is more like a two-smoke 250 in how it has to be ridden (electonics aside).







Garry