MotoGP considering move to standard ECU

get the .... over it lady....Rossi isn't the ONLY rider that thinks that way...many if not most find the bikes "EASY" to ride...


I like it.....NOW, if we can only figure out a way to get the 990s back.

we can't let technology take over, its the right thing to look at this and see what can be done.

obviously Ezpeleta is shaking his big invisable stick again... to get people talking.

the problem is these bikes have been built around traction control to make them rideable at 100% so that rules out a complete ban.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Dec 20 2007, 02:55 PM) [snapback]104898[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
get the .... over it lady....Rossi isn't the ONLY rider that thinks that way...many if not most find the bikes "EASY" to ride...
I like it.....NOW, if we can only figure out a way to get the 990s back.

I am undecided as to whether the reigning world champion, or the last placed rider should select the ecu settings;my real preference would be for garry mccoy to decide. It certainly should not be the rider that ezpeleta likes the best

I remain happy for them to abolish tc entirely.

Honda can be technically dominant for a decade, but one year of technical dominance by ducati is unacceptable? Vince mcmahon for next head of dorna.

The whole of 2007 has been a stupid waste of time. The 800s have completely .......ized the sport, and worst of all attendance was super high from pre-sales. Record crowds at bad races is a formula for disaster. 2006 routinely saw 5 or 6 people fighting for wins and podiums. That type of racing didn't even occur this year.

They killed the sport, now they are trying to figure out ways to get it back. Sad. Rossi will fail to do anything other than construct a sport that hand's him championships, he's human that's what he's supposed to do. Yam is a bad engine, a stock ECU would fix that. Unfortunately, everyone continues to suggest that Rossi's ideas are good for the sport.

The silver lining? 2008 cannot possibly be less competitive than this season.

I wonder how old these 'quotes' are?

On paper in an ideal world, it's a great idea. In practise in the real world, it will be costly to implement and difficult to police. Manufacturers and tyre companies, will be cagey about it, bike/tyre development is already far down the road in terms of advanced electronic systems so to make a complete u-turn and go back to throttle cables would be a huge waste of money. The bikes you and I can buy in the shops are getting fancier every year as race-tech inevitably finds it's way onto the street and isn't that the whole point of prototype racing in the first place? I really don't see a ban happening. Ezpeleta may find himself vetoed and Rossi can pipe on about it all he wants, this technology is probably here to stay. Thats the way racing is and always has been since the petrol engine was invented and I like it that way. This is a transitional period. The argument has been made many many times that electronics have made the racing boring. Well if you really want to see some truly boring races, watch the 2002 season again, the first of the 4-strokers, and look who was winning, sorry running away with all the races, where were the complainers then? It was a transitional season, just as this year was. 800's will get to the stage where engine development can't go much further, just as it did in 500's and electronics will become all important not least becuse we'll all be riding electronically-aided 4-strokes on the street and race wins sell bikes. It is the 21st century after all. Rossi can decide to make like a dinosaur before his time if he wants, Ezpeleta might do better not to listen to him, who knows?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 20 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]104901[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The whole of 2007 has been a stupid waste of time......
Maybe you should by a swingball or a space hopper or something more fun then. Really Lexicon, you can't expect anyone to buy that?

First standard ECU, And then what does rossi would suggest it after?. May be only one chassis´supplier i guess come on !
Where moto racing "state of art" is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Dec 20 2007, 07:41 AM) [snapback]104903[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Maybe you should by a swingball or a space hopper or something more fun then. Really Lexicon, you can't expect anyone to buy that?


Here's what I want you to do:

1. Get a Motogp.com subscription.
2. Watch the 2006 season again.
3. Watch the 2007 season again
4. Cry

Fine. The whole season hasn't been a waste, but I've been on a classic 990 binge and 2006 was the best racing in a long long time. They finally got it right then they changed all the rules.

That's life.

Nobody complained in 2002 cause Rossi just wiped the floor in 2001. People were expecting it. This change is being juxtaposed with 2006--not a good frame of reference if you like the 800s.

Apart from my doubts that dorna know anything about bike racing, or indeed care about bike racing per se at all other than for any commercial potential it might have, empirical evidence ie the 2007 season would suggest they are incompetent at devising technical regulations. I don't think the technical regulations should be decided by current competitors or at least not individual ones. On reflection the quotes are undated as others have said and the idea of a control ecu was raised quite early in the season and is theoretically attractive, so this may be nothing to do with rossi.

I would prefer that motorbike guys decide the regs. How about a committee of ago, doohan, schwantz and rainey?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 20 2007, 04:01 PM) [snapback]104906[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Fine. The whole season hasn't been a waste,
That's all you had to say. No matter what season you feel like juxtaposing with another doesn't matter, the point is about technology. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that time isn't moving forward if you want, I don't care.

2002 was a bore because Rossi was on a 990 and everybody else except Ukawa ( where is he now? ) was on a 500 until sometime after Brno ( I think, someone google it - jumkie! ) , by the time everyone else appeared with their shiny new diesels, the Honda had developed so much in relation to everything else that it was unbeatable. Barros almost embarrsed a complacent Rossi when he got the first non factory RCV, the bike was that good. The transition from 2 to 4 stroke was not as smooth or as 'fair' as some might choose to perceive. We've been treated to a few great races this year, arguably better than watching Rossi showboating his way through 2002. The sport has not been '.......ised' ( whatever you mean by that ) to my eyes and we have a new dominant champion, a grid as strong as it's ever been in a long long time and machines getting closer and closer in terms of competitiveness. Hardly a season to reduce anyone to tears, rather the opposite.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jjok @ Dec 20 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]104902[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I thought it was meant to be a prototype series.


yea but traction control is even in Superbikes now, its not some amazing breakthrough... its just a hinderance or excuse for winning in motogp now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jjok @ Dec 20 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]104902[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If Rossi feels so uncomfortable about traction control then maybe he should switch it off on his own bike. This is more to do with the fact that Ducati's ECU is working better than Yamaha's.


you can't switch it off and be faster than everyone.... thats just stupid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 20 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]104901[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The whole of 2007 has been a stupid waste of time. The 800s have completely .......ized the sport, and worst of all attendance was super high from pre-sales. Record crowds at bad races is a formula for disaster. 2006 routinely saw 5 or 6 people fighting for wins and podiums. That type of racing didn't even occur this year.


I think its fixable, the 800's have improved corner speed which is a big positive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Dec 20 2007, 04:32 PM) [snapback]104910[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think its fixable, the 800's have improved corner speed which is a big positive.


Erm, do explain.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Dec 20 2007, 08:26 AM) [snapback]104909[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's all you had to say. No matter what season you feel like juxtaposing with another doesn't matter, the point is about technology. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that time isn't moving forward if you want, I don't care.

The 990s were moving forward. This isn't progression this was change for change's sake. It was hoped that the 800s would slow things down for a while.

Wasn't this change supposed to be planned? Who the hell was responsible for the contingencies? Why is the sport in apparent upheaval?

Ezpeleta = done.

I don't mind change or progress even if it's not to my liking. The move to 800s have been neither change nor progress it has been a completely bungled transition that has created new highs and new lows.

Like nuclear weapons. Yey, the war is over. Oh ....! we can destroy the whole planet?!

If that's progress, I want no part.

Things will get better, the decades will pass, we will accept bad racing and call every little battle "epic" b/c because we can't live with the fact the sport has been ruined.

The beauty of existentialism is you can live a lie. Have fun. The only lie I could live is Hayden winning another one. That will hold me over for another season or so. I'm going to be checking out if passing doesn't show up in the next 2 or 3 years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Dec 20 2007, 04:26 PM) [snapback]104909[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Barros almost embarrsed a complacent Rossi when he got the first non factory RCV


Non-factory?

Barros was in fact using HRC's new electronically controlled engine braking, before Rossi had it, hence the reason why Rossi's bike was struggling into corners where Barros was going as smooth as it was.

takes off nerd hat

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phleg @ Dec 20 2007, 05:19 PM) [snapback]104916[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Non-factory?

Barros was in fact using HRC's new electronically controlled engine braking, before Rossi had it, hence the reason why Rossi's bike was struggling into corners where Barros was going as smooth as it was.

takes off nerd hat
I didn't know that phleg, but thanks. I guess Rossi got the same kit on his RCV pretty quick after Alex did, I remember being blown away by how fast Barros was first time out on the 990, and wishing deep down that Loris should have got a shot on the 990. It was that season that really turned me on to liking Loris and appreciating how gutsy and talented a 500 racer he was. I think by that time though it was rumoured that Loris was joining Ducati so Barros was the obvious choice. Still no mean feat to give Rossi a run for it after only jumping on the 990. Keep that nerd hat on!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Dec 20 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]104915[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The 990s were moving forward. This isn't progression this was change for change's sake. It was hoped that the 800s would slow things down for a while.

Wasn't this change supposed to be planned? Who the hell was responsible for the contingencies? Why is the sport in apparent upheaval?


I don't mind change or progress even if it's not to my liking. The move to 800s have been neither change nor progress it has been a completely bungled transition that has created new highs and new lows.


If that's progress, I want no part.


The beauty of existentialism is you can live a lie


I can see where you're coming from lexi but I think you're being overly negative at the same time. It's widely accepted that the move to 800cc was purely in an effort to slow things down in the wake of Kato's accident but that's not the way it's worked out. It wasn't just for changes' sake. Things haven't really slowed down and in my view it hasn't made racing any safer either but it has turned racing into much more of a finer art, a very fickle and unforgiving one. Get one piece of the puzzle missing and you can forget it. The rider, bike, electronics, and tyres all have to perfect in order to win. That may or may not be a good thing depending on how you see things. if you're Casey Stoner, it's great. If you're Valentino Rossi, it's not so great. .... happens and racing moves on, that's progress whether you like it or not. The only ones who have bungled this transition have been Yamaha and Honda whilst everyone else has improved, Ducati more than anyone. This could easily turn into a very familiar and well worn argument, but everybody involved was responsible for the contingencies. Rossi is responsible for the position he now finds himself in and whatever may follow. I defy anyone to present a viable argument that motogp is in any trouble, it's on the up, growing, it's a monster. Apparent is an interesting prefix to the word upheaval, the sport is only in upheaval if you believe it to be, that could be living a lie or it could be sticking your head in the sand.

On the surface, it seems like a good idea to have a standard ECU. But it won't happen (well for a while if ever), so I think it’s a moot point. I think it will be a bit difficult to apply a standard ECU to the very different bikes.


Anyway, I'm for increasing the excitement of close racing. If I didn't, I'd be watching some TT somewhere instead.

The effect of the DorRna-Rossi-Bridgestone Affair: The consequences of lacking neutrality continues to have its effect like a hang-over after a night of binge drinking that led to a questionable one-night stand with an ugly fat chick. It seems that Rossi has doRna in his back pocket. (Perhaps that's what the R really means.) Rossi has some good ideas, and so I won't discount everything he says. Seriously though, I don't hate Rossi like some might think (especially some of his diehard fans that can't accept any criticism of their hero, who sometimes equate holding him accountable to hating/bashing). Having said that, it seems rather suspicious that again Dorna take such a lop-sided interest in whatever Rossi says, to the point of making rules and decisions around his opinions. This really opens the door for people like me who are not particularly a Rossi fan (but can appreciate his talent and accomplishments) to question the integrity of the governing body to include Rossi's culpability in the matter. Unfortunately, the recent events surrounding the threats by Dorna on Rossi's behave have tainted the appearance of impartiality; at very least it has diminished the public trust for an equitable and authentic contest. Perhaps it was not there intention to discredit the neutrality they are supposed to show all the competitors (if we are to believe those that supported the DORNA-Rossi-Bridgestone affair). It was pulled off so blatantly one-sided in the public eye that they have now invited skepticism, even when they make worthwhile proposals like this ECU idea. I for one think that a control tire would have made the racing more even, but it seems that Dorna only used this proposal to use it as a <u>threat</u> and never really intended to put it on the table as a good-faith improvement strategy and commitment to the contest of MotoGP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Dec 20 2007, 06:55 PM) [snapback]104923[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
(Perhaps that's what the R really means.)
doRna that's gonna stick.

Oh ...., incoming....