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Gents I was not trying to create an argument here. Just merley pointing out that is the case of what happened. Casey was in Adelaide about 3 weeks ago and i went cycling with him, im not trying to talk myself up but you asked my 'source' and pointed out i have only made a small number of posts here.

The most disappointing thing was that when they looked back it had been faulty for several races (Hence Phillip Islands first few laps), and Babel you are spot on, how the mechanic did not pick it up is a mystery to Ducati as well. I mean such a big organisation that makes such precise bits of machinery and they miss the fact that they are sending their rider out on unsafe rubber.

Either way it was a dissapointing series of events. But they have learnt from it.

Talpa he came off on turn 2, the first left was taken pretty slow, you can see on this vid he is the last in the line and just in front of the pace car, the exit of turn 2 was the first time he really 'gassed' it out of a corner, his exit to turn 1 was taken pretty slow, you can even see him swerving out of 1 to generate some heat.

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Once again guys, not trying to make waves etc... just pointing out what iv been told.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 8 2010, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>More fairytales ...... yes I know there's more Rossifan mileage in the fairytales, and that sometimes the reality may be boring
I provided no fairytales, but I did ask if you had a source for the faulty tyre warmer story.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>is200 knows Casey personally. So I assume it came directly from Stoners mouth. Of course what would Stoner know about it in comparison to the likes of the hard core boppers on here. We all know if it wasn't reported it can't be true! Funny though if it is reported and doesn't fit the bopper faith it is not true either!
Not saying that is200 doesn't know Casey, but he didn't say in his post where the info came from. Like others, I'd not heard of tyre warmers with separate heater elements per sidewall which is why I was asking for a source.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The crash was a result of a faulty tire warmer. The left side of the warmer was not working but the right was. So he went out with a stone cold left side of the tyre. Needless to say the supplier has one less contract.
Despite my user name I am not a bopper. I quoted Stoner when he was interviewed in november and said he had no idea why it happened and that they'd had similar issues at PI.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"We just haven't been getting enough temperature in the tyre. The same thing happened in Phillip Island and the right hand corners for the first couple of laps it was terrible."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As far as Stoner turning up to the grid late? Well when you watch what actually happens rather than what suits the bopper faith then you will see that Stoner doesn't turn up late he just starts slow and finishes hard and at the same time as everyone else. In direct comparison to others who start hard and finish slow.

It is suggested that they must maintain grid order. Well this would effect the object of the bopper faith as the 'Lord' likes to be first on the warm up lap so he can get to the line and pick his arse again before the start.

Why didn't Stoner fall on the first few lefts? Well for the very reason you whinging ....... whinge all the time, ready for it???? He starts off slow and builds pace!
I appreciate that although this showed as a reply to me, these points were aimed at others. Agree with you on points 1 & 3 - Stoner is usually last to the front row, but not by much. As michaelm pointed out, if the other riders felt he was gaining an unfair advantage I'm sure one of them would have said something by now.

This makes point 2 moot IMO, but the idea that all riders must follow the leader is madness in motogp. This is not F1 where the reasoning for it is more to do with not being allowed to push the opposition onto the marbles/dusty bits and hence f.uck up their tyres for the start. With bikes the circuits are too wide for this to be an issue.

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Once again guys, not trying to make waves etc... just pointing out what iv been told.

from that vid sounds to me C was ON the gas out of the corner.. i.e. HIS fault

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 9 2010, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I appreciate that although this showed as a reply to me, these points were aimed at others.

My apologies, these points were not directed at you as you have understood.

Don't worry IS200 one thing thats obvious is that Stoner is the one guy the Rossifans are wary of.

SOno matter what really happens, we will allways hear 10 different fairytales as to their interpretation to what happened. The one that is chosen to be the latest "doctrine" is the one that makes there idol look the best.

I don't think it would matter if they heard, saw on TV, actually witnessed an event involving Stoner ..... what they believe is not based on any input evidence ...... its based purely on how they can belittle Stoner in a sad attempt to "up" their idol.

Look at Curves responses as an example ..... pure kiddy crap

And Babel ........... he actually composed a whole amazing story about Stoner throttle control from watching him ride fromthe stands

They can't be really enjoying MGP, they are just there for the value that their idol gives them in terms of giving them a "feelgood" moment in their lives, I guess they need it, and Rossi is most certainly the GOAT of idols. When he goes they will just leave ... unless another showman shows up.


Fruitcakes the lot of them

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 8 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Look at Curves responses as an example ..... pure kiddy crap

i dont need a long drawn out boring novel like you write to state the obvious

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>from that vid sounds to me C was ON the gas out of the corner.. i.e. HIS fault

Yeah casey was on the gas out of 2. Throttle application when leaving a turn is kind of a common practice with these guys, they dont exactly wait for the bike to be upright before applying the throttle.

I am not quiet sure where your coming from here. Possibly a miscommunication or me misunderstanding where your coming from.

It wasn't all that unusual around that time. I remember Capper and Lorenzo getting bad tires and having problems making the grid. I'm no encyclopedia but I remember Lorenzo wiping out on his warmup lap...don't recall which race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah casey was on the gas out of 2. Throttle application when leaving a turn is kind of a common practice with these guys, they dont exactly wait for the bike to be upright before applying the throttle.

I am not quiet sure where your coming from here. Possibly a miscommunication or me misunderstanding where your coming from.

where im coming from is planet obvious.....It wasn't Stoners fault he high sideded?
when quit clearly he was ON the gas...he was on the bike, he was in control of the bike, he high sided the bike..

i.e. HIS fault.

that is unless someone swapped out the Ducati throttle body with one off a Toyota.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2010, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where im coming from is planet obvious.....It wasn't Stoners fault he high sideded?
when quit clearly he was ON the gas...he was on the bike, he was riding the bike, he high sided the bike..

i.e. HIS fault.

that is unless someone swapped out the Ducati throttle body with one off a Toyota.
Of course it his fault as he is in control of the bike as you say and it is his decision to push as hard as he does on the warm-up lap. Regardless of whether there is a partial explanation it has always been obvious that his warm-up lap strategy was a risky one, events at valencia proved this whether or not something like a failed tyre warmer contibuted to it, and if something like a partial tyre warmer failure is so critical this is further evidence of the risk. Stoner may agree it is not an adequate excuse as he has not advanced it publically himself. It will be interesting to see whether he continues the strategy this year.

The main interest for me is that he apparently was rightly or wrongly doing what he normally does; I had assumed it was entirely inattention etc which led to the error.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 9 2010, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where im coming from is planet obvious.....It wasn't Stoners fault he high sideded?
when quit clearly he was ON the gas...he was on the bike, he was in control of the bike, he high sided the bike..

i.e. HIS fault.

that is unless someone swapped out the Ducati throttle body with one off a Toyota.

I see what you are saying now.

I disagree in relation to you deeming it his fault, he was quoted as saying he just touched the throttle and he lost it. Also a rider has to have total faith in the bike provided for him. Now if the team send him out on a tire that is not heated, but which they think is heated, he will ride in a way to line up with the kit he is given. ie he believed the tires were at operating temperature, but they were not. How he can then be blamed for causing the high side is a long bow. The simple fact is that the high side would not have happened on a sufficiently heated tire.

But differing opinions are fine and i see your point of view as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 8 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Proof Please, or are we just suppose to believe you........that's a hard core claim based on very little.....but hey whats new- your a Stoner Bopper.

Links, facts, official statements for me too please.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 8 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IMO the CS warm up lap tactic is directly related to the Ducati's fuel consumption issues. I would imagine that CS's bike would be operating on a knife-edge on race day.

The Ducks fuel consumption issues stem back to 07, where they were accused of filling a catch tank with an extra few litres of fuel in the first 6 or so rounds of that year. The official Dorna inquiry found them not guilty even though it seems impossible to prove either way after the fact.....

I'm in agreement that CS's warm-up lap antics are an unfair tactic in this 800cc era. 2 or 3 seconds advantage in the opening lap is a massive gap to chase down, it should be policed with a time limit to arrive ready at the grid position for the field.

Uneducated antic!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVfxhLEb8Uo

Once again guys, not trying to make waves etc... just pointing out what iv been told.

Funny how you can hear the voice of some commentator in what appears a home maid video!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 8 2010, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>from that vid sounds to me C was ON the gas out of the corner.. i.e. HIS fault

No bro, it was everybody’s and everything else’s fault except his!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 8 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't worry IS200 one thing thats obvious is that Stoner is the one guy the Rossifans are wary of.

As I’ve said before… Not in Spanish Forums, where Pedrosa and Lorenzo take all the heat, and Stoner gets mentioned once in a while.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 8 2010, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SOno matter what really happens, we will allways hear 10 different fairytales as to their interpretation to what happened. The one that is chosen to be the latest "doctrine" is the one that makes there idol look the best.

I don't think it would matter if they heard, saw on TV, actually witnessed an event involving Stoner ..... what they believe is not based on any input evidence ...... its based purely on how they can belittle Stoner in a sad attempt to "up" their idol.

Look at Curves responses as an example ..... pure kiddy crap

And Babel ........... he actually composed a whole amazing story about Stoner throttle control from watching him ride fromthe stands

They can't be really enjoying MGP, they are just there for the value that their idol gives them in terms of giving them a "feelgood" moment in their lives, I guess they need it, and Rossi is most certainly the GOAT of idols. When he goes they will just leave ... unless another showman shows up.

Fruitcakes the lot of them

This sounds relish reddish to me! Exactly the same but in red.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 8 2010, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where im coming from is planet obvious.....It wasn't Stoners fault he high sideded?
when quit clearly he was ON the gas...he was on the bike, he was in control of the bike, he high sided the bike..

i.e. HIS fault.

that is unless someone swapped out the Ducati throttle body with one off a Toyota.

Hahaha… Isn’t Toyota the main rival of Ferrari in Boremula 1? There’s evidence that it was Toyota’s fault!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 8 2010, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course it his fault as he is in control of the bike as you say and it is his decision to push as hard as he does on the warm-up lap.

Ok I agree now too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see what you are saying now.

I disagree in relation to you deeming it his fault, he was quoted as saying he just touched the throttle and he lost it. Also a rider has to have total faith in the bike provided for him. Now if the team send him out on a tire that is not heated, but which they think is heated, he will ride in a way to line up with the kit he is given. ie he believed the tires were at operating temperature, but they were not. How he can then be blamed for causing the high side is a long bow. The simple fact is that the high side would not have happened on a sufficiently heated tire.

But differing opinions are fine and i see your point of view as well.

But aren't 'warm up' laps also to warn up? Including tyres!

Double, sorry!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannozx10r @ Feb 8 2010, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I like Stoner but that strategy of his is not sporting, making other riders wait while he forms up , their tyres & brakes are cooling , there should be a rule that riders must do the warm up lap in grid order.

And some thought Stoner did not cheat! Ok, it is just uneducated, not cheat, still.

It is all part of the game I guess!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 8 2010, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is obviously not illegal, or he would have been stopped from doing it. As for the rest, I would be inclined to agree with you, except I have never heard that any other team or rider has objected to it. Certainly no-one has attempted to emulate it, presumably because of the risk involved which stoner has now demonstrated.

Compared with pushing hard on cold tyres in the early laps of the actual race which has occasionally led to mistakes even from <u><span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%<span style="color:#000080the very greatest</u> at least it has the virtue of a mistake only taking him out and not competitors.

I'll consider this as written in Stone!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 8 2010, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean that line through the dirt is now the perfect line?

No Michael please… Just try to recover the perfect line at 250 km/hr in 500 meters coming into the toughest turn after being elbowed on a MotoGP Bike!

On top of it, there was a dog fight of course. So what I am saying is that both, Rossi and Stoner, were having a go at it 110%, which also pushes one another above their limits. In this situation, an elbow or an off track, as we saw from both, is not unusual! Hope my point is clearer!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see what you are saying now.

I disagree in relation to you deeming it his fault, he was quoted as saying he just <span style="color:#FF0000touched the throttle and he lost it. Also a rider has to have total faith in the bike provided for him. Now if the team send him out on a tire that is not heated, but which they think is heated, he will ride in a way to line up with the kit he is given. ie he believed the tires were at operating temperature, but they were not. How he can then be blamed for causing the high side is a long bow. The simple fact is that the high side would not have happened on a sufficiently heated tire.

But differing opinions are fine and i see your point of view as well.

I have no question Stones has total faith in the bike nor do i question his talent....But if the team sends him out on a tire thats not heated proper its his job to fell things out...
its in the name; "warm up lap". you test the water depth before you dive in..

Its no big deal, actually besides it being ....... hilarious who cares...he's not the first to pull off a silly mistake, he wont be the last.

I think Bautista's awesome victory wheelie was better anyhow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see what you are saying now.

I disagree in relation to you deeming it his fault, he was quoted as saying he just <span style="color:#FF0000touched the throttle and he lost it. Also a rider has to have total faith in the bike provided for him. Now if the team send him out on a tire that is not heated, but which they think is heated, he will ride in a way to line up with the kit he is given. ie he believed the tires were at operating temperature, but they were not. How he can then be blamed for causing the high side is a long bow. The simple fact is that the high side would not have happened on a sufficiently heated tire.

But differing opinions are fine and i see your point of view as well.

I have no question Stones has total faith in the bike nor do i question his talent....But if the team sends him out on a tire thats not heated proper its his job to fell things out...
its in the name; "warm up lap". you test the water depth before you dive in..

Its no big deal, actually besides it being ....... hilarious who cares...he's not the first to pull off a silly mistake, he wont be the last.

I think Bautista's awesome victory wheelie was better anyhow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see what you are saying now.

I disagree in relation to you deeming it his fault, he was quoted as saying he just <span style="color:#FF0000touched the throttle and he lost it. Also a rider has to have total faith in the bike provided for him. Now if the team send him out on a tire that is not heated, but which they think is heated, he will ride in a way to line up with the kit he is given. ie he believed the tires were at operating temperature, but they were not. How he can then be blamed for causing the high side is a long bow. The simple fact is that the high side would not have happened on a sufficiently heated tire.

But differing opinions are fine and i see your point of view as well.

I have no question Stones has total faith in the bike nor do i question his talent....But if the team sends him out on a tire thats not heated proper? ... its his job to fell things out...
its in the name; "warm up lap". you test the water depth before you dive in..

Its no big deal, actually besides it being ....... hilarious who cares...he's not the first to pull off a silly mistake, he wont be the last.

I think Bautista's awesome victory wheelie was better anyhow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 8 2010, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have no question Stones has total faith in the bike nor do i question his talent....But if the team sends him out on a tire thats not heated proper its his job to fell things out...
its in the name; "warm up lap". you test the water depth before you dive in..

Its no big deal, actually besides it being ....... hilarious who cares...he's not the first to pull off a silly mistake, he wont be the last.

I think Bautista's awesome victory wheelie was better anyhow

I doubled, you tripled, silly as a fall in a warmup lap!

I also had a laugth when Barros (I think) fell doing a u-turn in warmup I think, or was it Pedrosa?

Anyway, Bautista's tops it all!

All this knowing the Riders were Ok, because the ambulance crash taking Gibernau to the hospital from a crash... Man, that has to be the worst luck ever!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 9 2010, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gents I was not trying to create an argument here. Just merley pointing out that is the case of what happened. Casey was in Adelaide about 3 weeks ago and i went cycling with him, im not trying to talk myself up but you asked my 'source' and pointed out i have only made a small number of posts here.

The most disappointing thing was that when they looked back it had been faulty for several races (Hence Phillip Islands first few laps), and Babel you are spot on, how the mechanic did not pick it up is a mystery to Ducati as well. I mean such a big organisation that makes such precise bits of machinery and they miss the fact that they are sending their rider out on unsafe rubber.

Either way it was a dissapointing series of events. But they have learnt from it.

Talpa he came off on turn 2, the first left was taken pretty slow, you can see on this vid he is the last in the line and just in front of the pace car, the exit of turn 2 was the first time he really 'gassed' it out of a corner, his exit to turn 1 was taken pretty slow, you can even see him swerving out of 1 to generate some heat.

Once again guys, not trying to make waves etc... just pointing out what iv been told.
Our posts crossed. I was asking for your source - thanks for providing it. I was certainly not implying that the number of posts you have made have any implication on the quality of any one post. As michaelm said, your insight is welcomed, especially as it is delivered in an informed and adult fashion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 9 2010, 02:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course it his fault as he is in control of the bike as you say and it is his decision to push as hard as he does on the warm-up lap. Regardless of whether there is a partial explanation it has always been obvious that his warm-up lap strategy was a risky one, events at valencia proved this whether or not something like a failed tyre warmer contibuted to it, and if something like a partial tyre warmer failure is so critical this is further evidence of the risk. Stoner may agree it is not an adequate excuse as he has not advanced it publically himself. It will be interesting to see whether he continues the strategy this year.

The main interest for me is that he apparently was rightly or wrongly doing what he normally does; I had assumed it was entirely inattention etc which led to the error.
Good points - I too had assumed he took his eye off the ball. It does happen, even to the best at times - Valencia '06 and VR springs to mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 9 2010, 03:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny how you can hear the voice of some commentator in what appears a home maid video!
Maybe you've never been fortunate enough to attend a car or bike race event. There are speakers around every circuit and commentary is provided. At Mugello last year it was partly in Italian and partly in English, which was great for the linguistically challenged like myself!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 9 2010, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And some thought Stoner did not cheat! Ok, it is just uneducated, not cheat, still.

It is all part of the game I guess!



I'll consider this as written in Stone!



No Michael please… Just try to recover the perfect line at 250 km/hr in 500 meters coming into the toughest turn after being elbowed on a MotoGP Bike!

On top of it, there was a dog fight of course. So what I am saying is that both, Rossi and Stoner, were having a go at it 110%, which also pushes one another above their limits. In this situation, an elbow or an off track, as we saw from both, is not unusual! Hope my point is clearer!
I was not being entirely serious, the emoticons are not working on my work computer. I am not sure the question has been resolved as to which rider was taking the other's line though, either when casey 's elbow was evident or when rossi made the "pass" immediately before when he was equally close to casey.

I don't think I have ever claimed that casey can be compared overall with valentino, and have said valentino has surpassed mick doohan.