MotoGP back in action at Sepang Test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 9 2010, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Our posts crossed. I was asking for your source - thanks for providing it. I was certainly not implying that the number of posts you have made have any implication on the quality of any one post. As michaelm said, your insight is welcomed, especially as it is delivered in an informed and adult fashion.

No prob Yamaka. Much appreciated.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 8 2010, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe you've never been fortunate enough to attend a car or bike race event. There are speakers around every circuit and commentary is provided. At Mugello last year it was partly in Italian and partly in English, which was great for the linguistically challenged like myself!

Other than a single Formula 1 race in Mexico City about 25 years ago, nope, have not had the luck mate... Thanks for clearing it up for me!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 8 2010, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was not being entirely serious, the emoticons are not working on my work computer. I am not sure the question has been resolved as to which rider was taking the other's line though, either when casey 's elbow was evident or when rossi made the "pass" immediately before when he was equally close to casey.

I don't think I have ever claimed that casey can be compared overall with valentino, and have said valentino has surpassed mick doohan.

I wasn’t being that serious either bro, as you can imply from my ‘Written in Stone’ phrase.

Anyway, we sure could do with some racing already! We are arguing, not that it is bad, three year old events, and had been argued a billion times!

One thing I was not aware of, was that I thought they must have told Stoner what happened with the tyre warmer afer the off ...... But given the frantic tyre scrubbing efforts and his fairly blase' reaction after it occured ...... I thnk they must have known it had happened prior to him setting off?

IS200?

IS200, "The most disappointing thing was that when they looked back it had been faulty for several races (Hence Phillip Islands first few laps), and Babel you are spot on, how the mechanic did not pick it up is a mystery to Ducati as well."

Is there something in the language that you found incomprehensible Bar?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 8 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gents I was not trying to create an argument here. Just merley pointing out that is the case of what happened. Casey was in Adelaide about 3 weeks ago and i went cycling with him, im not trying to talk myself up but you asked my 'source' and pointed out i have only made a small number of posts here.

I'm a little late on the argument here...but how do you know casey stoner lol

Nads...u r L8... IS confessed his sins on arrival!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Other than a single Formula 1 race in Mexico City about 25 years ago, nope, have not had the luck mate... Thanks for clearing it up for me!

What??? We need to get you to laguna or indy! We just cant have that.

As for is200. I had to let this marinate for a while. I believe what you say is true. But like some of the others, I think cs needs to take responsibility for some mistakes. Sure sometimes or all the time there is something to pass blame when a mistake is made. But sometimes the rider can easily make the speculation go away by just excepting responsibility for the mistakes. I look at it like, the rider gets the glory for the win so he should also own up to the mistakes for the team as well. Even if nothing is known yet just say "yeah the tire was cold and I cut it lose on a cold tire." The speculation will go away, the riders team will still find the actual cause behind closed doors, and in the process a rider could gain a lot of respect from his team. Not trying to imply cs's team has no respect for him. ALL the riders make mistakes it's just nice to see them own up to them even if there only fault was getting on a bike with a faulty tire warmer. There is no I in team.

Okay and on to the faulty tire warmer. He would have had plenty of time to diagnose this problem. If it had been going on for several races, then how many times did he go on track with a cold leftside without noticing? They don't just use the tire warmer before the race, they use it all weekend. Two practices a weekend a quali session and the race. And on top of that don't they put them on the tires you are going to switch to next in those sessions? Every set of tires he rode should of had the same problem. So he had more than enough time to realize there was a problem. On top of that if it was faulty since P.I. Why because he slid around P.I.? That didnt stop as the race kept going, casey kept sliding, and sliding. Plus they were controlled spins, not a tire breaking lose on exit or looking cold(slippy).

Are you sure this wasn't just two friends going over theories of what happened?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Feb 10 2010, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>IS200, "The most disappointing thing was that when they looked back it had been faulty for several races (Hence Phillip Islands first few laps), and Babel you are spot on, how the mechanic did not pick it up is a mystery to Ducati as well."

Is there something in the language that you found incomprehensible Bar?

If by "Bar?" youmean me ...... no, and my question is not answered by this ....... there is obviously something in my post that you do not comprehend.


When did they realise the problem existed? After he crashed or ...... just prior to the start of Valencia?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 9 2010, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What??? We need to get you to laguna or indy! We just cant have that.

This year is all ‘10 Aniversary’ for me hermano! Going on a Madrid drive to Paris 15 day vacation to celebrate. It will be from March 25 till April 11, the day the whole circus starts, buy way far in Qatar. I may get to see Le Mans track on the outside for any consolation!

Anyway, even if there was a Race at any of those weekends, if I dare say I am going to a race on Aniversary trip, I would not make it to 11. Add to this that we are looking to buy a new car for my wife; this 2010 is not going to be the one for me to go to Laguna or Indi.

I have it in mind though, some of my relatives live in San Francisco (nice house), and some in San Diego, which I visited December 2008. So it is not completely out of the question to have a place nearby Laguna to stay (a couple of hours drive to Monterrrey peninsula I guess) for a week or so.

With all this in mind, I surley will tell all of you mates if I can plan it for 2011, so that we all, considering alcohol is bad, get rid of as many bears as we can . Sheers mate!

So a full on MotoGP team with a Bridgestone tire tech in the pits didn't know the tire temperature when leaving the pits? For several races and practises inbetween? Can this be accurate? I find it hard to believe that a guy who's sole responsibility it is to handle the tires could miss this. I see these guys probing tires all the time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 9 2010, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One thing I was not aware of, was that I thought they must have told Stoner what happened with the tyre warmer afer the off ...... But given the frantic tyre scrubbing efforts and his fairly blase' reaction after it occured ...... I thnk they must have known it had happened prior to him setting off?

IS200?

My understanding is that it was a retrospective revelation. ie they were not aware until the week/s post season. But let me clarify I was just told ' the cause of the off was a faulty tire warmer, when they looked into it they realised it had been faulty for several rounds' (or a phrase to that effect)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ngads @ Feb 9 2010, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm a little late on the argument here...but how do you know casey stoner lol

I cant claim to be best mates with him but have know/am good mates with his brother and sister in law/wifes family.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 10 2010, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What??? We need to get you to laguna or indy! We just cant have that.


Okay and on to the faulty tire warmer. He would have had plenty of time to diagnose this problem. If it had been going on for several races, then how many times did he go on track with a cold leftside without noticing? They don't just use the tire warmer before the race, they use it all weekend. Two practices a weekend a quali session and the race. And on top of that don't they put them on the tires you are going to switch to next in those sessions? Every set of tires he rode should of had the same problem. So he had more than enough time to realize there was a problem. On top of that if it was faulty since P.I. Why because he slid around P.I.? That didnt stop as the race kept going, casey kept sliding, and sliding. Plus they were controlled spins, not a tire breaking lose on exit or looking cold(slippy).

Are you sure this wasn't just two friends going over theories of what happened?

Cant say why or why it was not picked up on, could have been a variety of differing reasons. Also they may have used different batches of warmers for different sessions. I really am only drawing my own conclusions here. The limited times i get to see Casey i try not to talk about bikes too much, hence why i didnt give him the enth degree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 10 2010, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So a full on MotoGP team with a Bridgestone tire tech in the pits didn't know the tire temperature when leaving the pits? For several races and practises inbetween? Can this be accurate? I find it hard to believe that a guy who's sole responsibility it is to handle the tires could miss this. I see these guys probing tires all the time.


Yeah as above gs, if i get any more info ill be happy to let you guys know.

The samurai's used to quench their blades in a slave. Perhaps Stoner should have the tire guy wrap the tire warmer to his leg just to make sure it's working before it goes near the bike. Nothing like a little personal commitment to make a job go better.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 9 2010, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What??? We need to get you to laguna or indy! We just cant have that.

As for is200. I had to let this marinate for a while. I believe what you say is true. But like some of the others, I think cs needs to take responsibility for some mistakes. Sure sometimes or all the time there is something to pass blame when a mistake is made. But sometimes the rider can easily make the speculation go away by just excepting responsibility for the mistakes. I look at it like, the rider gets the glory for the win so he should also own up to the mistakes for the team as well. Even if nothing is known yet just say "yeah the tire was cold and I cut it lose on a cold tire." The speculation will go away, the riders team will still find the actual cause behind closed doors, and in the process a rider could gain a lot of respect from his team. Not trying to imply cs's team has no respect for him. ALL the riders make mistakes it's just nice to see them own up to them even if there only fault was getting on a bike with a faulty tire warmer. There is no I in team.

Okay and on to the faulty tire warmer. He would have had plenty of time to diagnose this problem. If it had been going on for several races, then how many times did he go on track with a cold leftside without noticing? They don't just use the tire warmer before the race, they use it all weekend. Two practices a weekend a quali session and the race. And on top of that don't they put them on the tires you are going to switch to next in those sessions? Every set of tires he rode should of had the same problem. So he had more than enough time to realize there was a problem. On top of that if it was faulty since P.I. Why because he slid around P.I.? That didnt stop as the race kept going, casey kept sliding, and sliding. Plus they were controlled spins, not a tire breaking lose on exit or looking cold(slippy).

Are you sure this wasn't just two friends going over theories of what happened?


I think maybe stoner should ask you to take the bike out for a lap before each session to be sure everything is OK seeing as you're an expert on what symtoms and feedback a faulty tyre warmer will give to the rider...

I can't acuse you of sucking rossi's .... Mdub as your mouth is too full of your own!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Feb 9 2010, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think maybe stoner should ask you to take the bike out for a lap before each session to be sure everything is OK seeing as you're an expert on what symtoms and feedback a faulty tyre warmer will give to the rider...

I can't acuse you of sucking rossi's .... Mdub as your mouth is too full of your own!

Well I am very flexible.

That was actually a honest question that is200 answered to the best of his ability. I never said I would be able to tell, but IMO the riders on the motogp grid should be able to tell when something isn't right. Just trying to get some feedback by some people who may have some knowledge on it. You are obviously not one of those people.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 9 2010, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I cant claim to be best mates with him but have know/am good mates with his brother and sister in law/wifes family.

I hope I am not being abusive mate, but I belive I read somewhere something about Stoner living in Kurri Kurri? Perhaps you know something about this. The thing is I lived there (chuck town) about 9 months or so like 16 years ago. I am looking for my ex-mother in law; I have no clue of her whereabouts. It would great help if you knew anyone around and I would appreciate it. If not, sorry for any trouble.

If she is not in here:

http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSea...=&location=


maybe she does not want to be found.

or if its urgent, try the Aust. Embassy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 9 2010, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If she is not in here:

http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSea...=&location=


maybe she does not want to be found.

or if its urgent, try the Aust. Embassy

ok, I'll try. Not that drastic, just to have news about family, mainly my daugther. Thanks mate.

Ups... I just remembered, I don't recall her last name, only remember my ex-mother in law's name was Pam, and she lived in Kurri Kurri about 16 years ago. Though eh.

Anyway, that is the way it's been for 12 years now, so news would be good, if not, I'll keep on waiting and trying. Thanks.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Feb 10 2010, 12:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I am very flexible.

That was actually a honest question that is200 answered to the best of his ability. I never said I would be able to tell, but IMO the riders on the motogp grid should be able to tell when something isn't right. Just trying to get some feedback by some people who may have some knowledge on it. You are obviously not one of those people.
I am a bit with you and curve, and I think whatever the contribution of the tyre warmers he had become blase about the warm-up lap thing after 50 or more races with no problems. I guess the space shuttles don't blow up on most missions either though.

Sorry VHM cant assit im an Adelaidean, only see Casey when he is in Adelaide.

But i dare say my convaluted way of explaining this persons that persons someones friend etc.... may seem more confusing that it was actually intended to be. ie know him via his wife.