<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 10 2010, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am a bit with you and curve, and I think whatever the contribution of the tyre warmers he had become blase about the warm-up lap thing after 50 or more races with no problems. I guess the space shuttles don't blow up on most missions either though.
Michael, you,re getting a bit out of line here......."sleeping with the enemy?"
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
Michael, you,re getting a bit out of line here......."sleeping with the enemy?"
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Feb 10 2010, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ups... I just remembered, I don't recall her last name, only remember my ex-mother in law's name was Pam, and she lived in Kurri Kurri about 16 years ago. Though eh.
Anyway, that is the way it's been for 12 years now, so news would be good, if not, I'll keep on waiting and trying. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure the Aust Embassy would help V, why not give them a call?
Or do you have any old contacts in Kurri ?
I'm near there and go through there occasionally but I don't know a soul from there.
Anyway, that is the way it's been for 12 years now, so news would be good, if not, I'll keep on waiting and trying. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure the Aust Embassy would help V, why not give them a call?
Or do you have any old contacts in Kurri ?
I'm near there and go through there occasionally but I don't know a soul from there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lad @ Feb 10 2010, 10:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't acuse you of sucking rossi's .... Mdub as your mouth is too full of your own!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 10 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michael, you,re getting a bit out of line here......."sleeping with the enemy?"
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
Look, there is no doubt he proceeds as he does on his warm-up lap partly because he can, having justifiable confidence in his ability to ride at the extremes of possibility; he has done it in races also, which is how he pulled 10 seconds on rossi and lorenzo in treacherous changing conditions at mugello last year despite apparently being in the process of having his head terminally done in by rossi and besides that being intrinsically a ..... anyway
. It was an advantage he had over valentino who had always taken care to warm up his tyres for several laps before pushing hard over most of his career.
I thought the points being made that they don't call it the warm-up lap for nothing and that it his choice to push as hard as he does usually without much in the way of intermediary speeds were valid. As I now recall is2000's direct quote was that he only touched the throttle in which case you are correct, but if they had problems on the warm-up lap at PI as was also said extra caution may have been warranted. I also wonder whether he always maintains the same intense focus he has in races in the warm-up; without wanting to get into any of the psychiatric speculation which characterised the forum for a large part of last year, I think this would be psychologically difficult to do.
If casey does as well as we both hope in the coming season and again is denied credit my attitude on the forum may change; at the moment I feel it is unreasonable both to deny rossi credit as the defending champion for a second time and to deny the possibility of any error by stoner ever, a stance which sometimes annoys both of us when applied to rossi.
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
Look, there is no doubt he proceeds as he does on his warm-up lap partly because he can, having justifiable confidence in his ability to ride at the extremes of possibility; he has done it in races also, which is how he pulled 10 seconds on rossi and lorenzo in treacherous changing conditions at mugello last year despite apparently being in the process of having his head terminally done in by rossi and besides that being intrinsically a ..... anyway
I thought the points being made that they don't call it the warm-up lap for nothing and that it his choice to push as hard as he does usually without much in the way of intermediary speeds were valid. As I now recall is2000's direct quote was that he only touched the throttle in which case you are correct, but if they had problems on the warm-up lap at PI as was also said extra caution may have been warranted. I also wonder whether he always maintains the same intense focus he has in races in the warm-up; without wanting to get into any of the psychiatric speculation which characterised the forum for a large part of last year, I think this would be psychologically difficult to do.
If casey does as well as we both hope in the coming season and again is denied credit my attitude on the forum may change; at the moment I feel it is unreasonable both to deny rossi credit as the defending champion for a second time and to deny the possibility of any error by stoner ever, a stance which sometimes annoys both of us when applied to rossi.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 10 2010, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
Bun, dude... I think I'd notice that swap by the end of the lane, not be oblivious to it 'till I was honkin' the twisties...
Seriously, the difference would be subtler, but still noticeable.
Makes total sense to me.
Bun, dude... I think I'd notice that swap by the end of the lane, not be oblivious to it 'till I was honkin' the twisties...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 10 2010, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michael, you,re getting a bit out of line here......."sleeping with the enemy?"
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
re...tar...ded.
If someone swapped out my street tires for 5 year old tires i'd know as soon as i came out the drive way.. let alone a ....... pro like Stacey Stoner coming out of the pits....
Stoner ...... up, whether he admits it being his fault or not it was funny as hell...almost as funny as some of the twats in here making ........ excuses..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 10 2010, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought the points being made that they don't call it the warm-up lap for nothing and that it his choice to push as hard as he does usually without much in the way of intermediary speeds were valid. As I now recall is2000's direct quote was that he only touched the throttle in which case you are correct, but if they had problems on the warm-up lap at PI as was also said extra caution may have been warranted.
go back to that vid thats posted...he didn't "touch" the gas is right
..he was "ON" the gas big time.. no one to blame but himself... he's not the first to do a silly mistake and he wont be the last...but he is the only racer i know that NEVER thinks its his fault
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
re...tar...ded.
If someone swapped out my street tires for 5 year old tires i'd know as soon as i came out the drive way.. let alone a ....... pro like Stacey Stoner coming out of the pits....
Stoner ...... up, whether he admits it being his fault or not it was funny as hell...almost as funny as some of the twats in here making ........ excuses..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 10 2010, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought the points being made that they don't call it the warm-up lap for nothing and that it his choice to push as hard as he does usually without much in the way of intermediary speeds were valid. As I now recall is2000's direct quote was that he only touched the throttle in which case you are correct, but if they had problems on the warm-up lap at PI as was also said extra caution may have been warranted.
go back to that vid thats posted...he didn't "touch" the gas is right
..he was "ON" the gas big time.. no one to blame but himself... he's not the first to do a silly mistake and he wont be the last...but he is the only racer i know that NEVER thinks its his fault
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Gooooood post's ppl
Casey fooked up at Valencia like many before him.on warm up etc nuff said
i hope the day don't come on how Casey ...... up
Getting Adriana Pregnant
!!!!!!!! but it wasn't his Doing/fault now that's worth Debating
Casey fooked up at Valencia like many before him.on warm up etc nuff said
i hope the day don't come on how Casey ...... up
Getting Adriana Pregnant
!!!!!!!! but it wasn't his Doing/fault now that's worth Debating
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 10 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Michael, you,re getting a bit out of line here......."sleeping with the enemy?"
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
It's hard to say how the grip levels are when the tires are half way warm. On a Metzler/Pirelli/Dunlop SS tire you would be fine. Although the grip is not optimal it's predictable and the tire doesn't let go as if it was wet. Bridgestone and Michelin I don't know. The old Pilot Race SS tires were killers, quite grippy but totally unpredictable. Only at full operating temperature they started to give feedback.
I guess, but have nothing to back it up with, that the world class race tires need full operating temperature to give good predictable feedback. Based partly on the fact that it is world class, focused track tire operating withing narrower parameters than an SS tire, and also how Hayden and others have been struggling to get heat into the rear tire.
My point is that no tire warmers can give you enough heat on a cold day like that. This is common issues where I live and several riders go out on first lap or even warm-up lap every race day. It's nothing new there it's just damned hard to go slow enough on that warm up lap, especially into the first left hander. BTDT
I think that the grip levels between a half warmed and fully warmed tyre would be quite substantial and , if Casey was expecting a certain grip level that wasn,t there, then I think it is quite understandable that he crashed in those circumstances.
Assuming you ride Michael, let say that your bike has been sabotaged and unknown to you ,your tyres ( let say a grippy track tyre) have been replaced with 5 year old tyres with hard rubber, and you are hooking into your favourite bit of twisty road, leaning in at 30 degrees in the first few corners, knowing your normal tyres will do 50 degrees, but before you know it , you,re flat on your back feeling totally confused. Well, it was just like that for Casey.............
Makes total sense to me.
It's hard to say how the grip levels are when the tires are half way warm. On a Metzler/Pirelli/Dunlop SS tire you would be fine. Although the grip is not optimal it's predictable and the tire doesn't let go as if it was wet. Bridgestone and Michelin I don't know. The old Pilot Race SS tires were killers, quite grippy but totally unpredictable. Only at full operating temperature they started to give feedback.
I guess, but have nothing to back it up with, that the world class race tires need full operating temperature to give good predictable feedback. Based partly on the fact that it is world class, focused track tire operating withing narrower parameters than an SS tire, and also how Hayden and others have been struggling to get heat into the rear tire.
My point is that no tire warmers can give you enough heat on a cold day like that. This is common issues where I live and several riders go out on first lap or even warm-up lap every race day. It's nothing new there it's just damned hard to go slow enough on that warm up lap, especially into the first left hander. BTDT
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Feb 5 2010, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 1000cc bilkes will be allowed less (?!) gas than the 800s?
Way to .... THINGS UP, idiots!!!!
When I read the announcement that MotoGP would return to 1000cc, the first thing that ran through my mind was; 'How will they .... this up?' Well...
Way to .... THINGS UP, idiots!!!!
When I read the announcement that MotoGP would return to 1000cc, the first thing that ran through my mind was; 'How will they .... this up?' Well...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 10 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>go back to that vid thats posted...he didn't "touch" the gas is right
..he was "ON" the gas big time..
This is fairly definitely what he usually does, which I kind of like as a part of the spectacle to be honest, but is obviously not without risk as we have been discussing.
..he was "ON" the gas big time..
This is fairly definitely what he usually does, which I kind of like as a part of the spectacle to be honest, but is obviously not without risk as we have been discussing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 11 2010, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is fairly definitely what he usually does, which I kind of like as a part of the spectacle to be honest, but is obviously not without risk as we have been discussing.
It certainly was a spectacle..............
It certainly was a spectacle..............
As I have said previously, at least him gassing it on the warm-up lap which I find spectacular on the occasions he does not crash (well over 50 now) does not risk others ; your boy rossi, great and immune to pressure as he may be, has taken out other riders (including perhaps ironically randy de puniet) at least twice in the 800cc era pushing too hard too early on cold tyres during actual races.
I have obviously misjudged you; I had accepted that you were a genuine fan of the sport rather than one who watched motorsport for the crashes
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 11 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
As I have said previously, at least him gassing it on the warm-up lap which I find spectacular on the occasions he does not crash (well over 50 now) does not risk others ; your boy rossi, great and immune to pressure as he may be, has taken out other riders (including perhaps ironically randy de puniet) at least twice in the 800cc era pushing too hard too early on cold tyres during actual races.
I have obviously misjudged you; I had accepted that you were a genuine fan of the sport rather than one who watched motorsport for the crashes
.
IMO, no rider is immune to pressure. Whether that be on-track a la Rossi in Valencia 06 or off track after a forced crash - see this (no, not Stoner!) :
<span style="color:#0000FFDoohan vs Criville, Eastern Creek 1996
That certainly was a spectacle!
Stoner dropping the bike during the warmup lap without endangering others is nothing more than his misfortune.
As I have said previously, at least him gassing it on the warm-up lap which I find spectacular on the occasions he does not crash (well over 50 now) does not risk others ; your boy rossi, great and immune to pressure as he may be, has taken out other riders (including perhaps ironically randy de puniet) at least twice in the 800cc era pushing too hard too early on cold tyres during actual races.
I have obviously misjudged you; I had accepted that you were a genuine fan of the sport rather than one who watched motorsport for the crashes
IMO, no rider is immune to pressure. Whether that be on-track a la Rossi in Valencia 06 or off track after a forced crash - see this (no, not Stoner!) :
<span style="color:#0000FFDoohan vs Criville, Eastern Creek 1996
That certainly was a spectacle!
Stoner dropping the bike during the warmup lap without endangering others is nothing more than his misfortune.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 11 2010, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
As I have said previously, at least him gassing it on the warm-up lap which I find spectacular on the occasions he does not crash (well over 50 now) does not risk others ; your boy rossi, great and immune to pressure as he may be, has taken out other riders (including perhaps ironically randy de puniet) at least twice in the 800cc era pushing too hard too early on cold tyres during actual races.
nood.
I member Stoner taking out Gibbers..but thats my fault for being a GP fan for 20 + years i guess.
As I have said previously, at least him gassing it on the warm-up lap which I find spectacular on the occasions he does not crash (well over 50 now) does not risk others ; your boy rossi, great and immune to pressure as he may be, has taken out other riders (including perhaps ironically randy de puniet) at least twice in the 800cc era pushing too hard too early on cold tyres during actual races.
nood.
I member Stoner taking out Gibbers..but thats my fault for being a GP fan for 20 + years i guess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 11 2010, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nood.
I member Stoner taking out Gibbers..but thats my fault for being a GP fan for 20 + years i guess.
You are one of the people on here that I freely acknowledge knows more about bike racing than I do although I have also followed the sport keenly for more than 20 years.
I am generally considered to have a fairly good memory and obviously am aware of the gibernau crash which I think was in a mid-race melee. Hence I restricted my remarks to the 800cc era, anticipating a reply from talpa who seemed interested in a little by-play
. I actually think stoner felt pretty bad about that crash and has tried fairly hard to avoid further such incidents; it is a deliberate policy of his to warm up the tyres as thoroughly as possible on the warm-up lap (not necessarily for this reason) which he does well away from other riders.
I actually agree with most of what you have said on this thread; my point was that even valentino makes mistakes, but that reaction to stoner's mistakes is very different, perhaps partly due to him being unwilling to concede errors as you say, not that he has made much in the way of public excuses for this particular one.
I member Stoner taking out Gibbers..but thats my fault for being a GP fan for 20 + years i guess.
You are one of the people on here that I freely acknowledge knows more about bike racing than I do although I have also followed the sport keenly for more than 20 years.
I am generally considered to have a fairly good memory and obviously am aware of the gibernau crash which I think was in a mid-race melee. Hence I restricted my remarks to the 800cc era, anticipating a reply from talpa who seemed interested in a little by-play
I actually agree with most of what you have said on this thread; my point was that even valentino makes mistakes, but that reaction to stoner's mistakes is very different, perhaps partly due to him being unwilling to concede errors as you say, not that he has made much in the way of public excuses for this particular one.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 11 2010, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are one of the people on here that I freely acknowledge knows more about bike racing than I do although I have also followed the sport keenly for more than 20 years.
I am generally considered to have a fairly good memory and obviously am aware of the gibernau crash which I think was in a mid-race melee. Hence I restricted my remarks to the 800cc era, anticipating a reply from talpa who seemed interested in a little by-play
. I actually think stoner felt pretty bad about that crash and has tried fairly hard to avoid further such incidents; it is a deliberate policy of his to warm up the tyres as thoroughly as possible on the warm-up lap (not necessarily for this reason) which he does well away from other riders.
I actually agree with most of what you have said on this thread; my point was that even valentino makes mistakes, but that reaction to stoner's mistakes is very different, perhaps partly due to him being unwilling to concede errors as you say, not that he has made much in the way of public excuses for this particular one.
The tire warmer thing is new to me. Can anyone say how long after the actual event Stoner knew about it? In any event - given that he was no longer in the running for the championship - and that Stoner didn't take anyone out when he went down - it's essentially a dead (not to mention - minor) issue - not long after it happened - except to those can't think of anything more substantial to theorize about. It was doubtless embarrassing and disappointing to Stoner - and everything he says is picked apart with such fervor - so I'd say it's no wonder he'd just as soon not re-open the issue by making calling a press conference to announce the news. Seems - he trusted his mechanics to consistently do their job and took it in good faith that the tire was sufficiently warmed up for him to utilize his standard warm-up lap technique and he got bit in the ... by a crew member who didn't do his job. End of story. FFS - lets move on.
I am generally considered to have a fairly good memory and obviously am aware of the gibernau crash which I think was in a mid-race melee. Hence I restricted my remarks to the 800cc era, anticipating a reply from talpa who seemed interested in a little by-play
I actually agree with most of what you have said on this thread; my point was that even valentino makes mistakes, but that reaction to stoner's mistakes is very different, perhaps partly due to him being unwilling to concede errors as you say, not that he has made much in the way of public excuses for this particular one.
The tire warmer thing is new to me. Can anyone say how long after the actual event Stoner knew about it? In any event - given that he was no longer in the running for the championship - and that Stoner didn't take anyone out when he went down - it's essentially a dead (not to mention - minor) issue - not long after it happened - except to those can't think of anything more substantial to theorize about. It was doubtless embarrassing and disappointing to Stoner - and everything he says is picked apart with such fervor - so I'd say it's no wonder he'd just as soon not re-open the issue by making calling a press conference to announce the news. Seems - he trusted his mechanics to consistently do their job and took it in good faith that the tire was sufficiently warmed up for him to utilize his standard warm-up lap technique and he got bit in the ... by a crew member who didn't do his job. End of story. FFS - lets move on.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 11 2010, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are one of the people on here that I freely acknowledge knows more about bike racing than I do although I have also followed the sport keenly for more than 20 years.
I am generally considered to have a fairly good memory and obviously am aware of the gibernau crash which I think was in a mid-race melee. Hence I restricted my remarks to the 800cc era, anticipating a reply from talpa who seemed interested in a little by-play
. I actually think stoner felt pretty bad about that crash and has tried fairly hard to avoid further such incidents; it is a deliberate policy of his to warm up the tyres as thoroughly as possible on the warm-up lap (not necessarily for this reason) which he does well away from other riders.
I actually agree with most of what you have said on this thread; my point was that even valentino makes mistakes, but that reaction to stoner's mistakes is very different, perhaps partly due to him being unwilling to concede errors as you say, not that he has made much in the way of public excuses for this particular one.
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Hi my name is Alex, and im a motocycleholic
yes they ALL make mistakes. and any of them that play it off as something or someone else's fault will get the same ridicule from me..,sure there are times when it may not be their fault, but when it IS just own up to it..its no big deal..and i'll point and laugh at anyone who does something like that on or off track (on the condition there's no injury)... .... i've laughed at some of my falls.
anyhow......... the 800s...role in the big boy bikes.
I am generally considered to have a fairly good memory and obviously am aware of the gibernau crash which I think was in a mid-race melee. Hence I restricted my remarks to the 800cc era, anticipating a reply from talpa who seemed interested in a little by-play
I actually agree with most of what you have said on this thread; my point was that even valentino makes mistakes, but that reaction to stoner's mistakes is very different, perhaps partly due to him being unwilling to concede errors as you say, not that he has made much in the way of public excuses for this particular one.
I only know about racing cause i have a motorcycle problem...
Hi my name is Alex, and im a motocycleholic
yes they ALL make mistakes. and any of them that play it off as something or someone else's fault will get the same ridicule from me..,sure there are times when it may not be their fault, but when it IS just own up to it..its no big deal..and i'll point and laugh at anyone who does something like that on or off track (on the condition there's no injury)... .... i've laughed at some of my falls.
anyhow......... the 800s...role in the big boy bikes.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 12 2010, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes they ALL make mistakes. and any of them that play it off as something or someone else's fault will get the same ridicule from me..,sure there are times when it may not be their fault, but when it IS just own up to it..its no big deal..and i'll point and laugh at anyone who does something like that on or off track (on the condition there's no injury)... .... i've laughed at some of my falls.
anyhow......... the 800s...role in the big boy bikes.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmen!!!!
anyhow......... the 800s...role in the big boy bikes.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmen!!!!
