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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2010, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner has prodused the longest, fastest, most in control slides ....

Sure some others slide a bit, but nobody had produced the ridiculously in control/high lean/high speed slides Stoner has.

PI was the pinnacle.

As much as McCoy was a breath of fresh air, even he did not take a full corner in slide like Stoner does. And with such smoothness/style and speed.

Its just hynotic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y6PT33SMHQ

Even some anti-Stoner fans converted after that
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Even Rossi made comments simillar to his comment, about McCoy, that he "had the best seat in the house"
 
I am sure Rossi would have similar abilities to Casey when it comes to drifting those bikes (in order to get lap time) but the m1 is so painted to the road we very rarely get to see it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Feb 16 2010, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am sure Rossi would have similar abilities to Casey when it comes to drifting those bikes (in order to get lap time) but the m1 is so painted to the road we very rarely get to see it.

Rossi is the original "railroad track" man, that was what was noticeable about him when he first came to MGP. And he's still like that.

Sure he can slide like the others but he's no Stoner or McCoy where the slide itself is used to control speed into a corner and the actual turning of the corner and accelleration out. Lap after lap its not Rossi's style.

Rossi may practice on dirt bikes, but not one of these:
http://www.caseystoner.com.au/process.php?...9&type=main
Thats where Stoners slides came from. ( Funnest bit of two wheel action ever ...... you should try one curve
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But ...... I still think Stoner is over McCoy on it ........ especially when you consider McCoy very often high sided it on the way in ......... Stoner has this bit pegged too
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Rossi could power slide the V5 Honda with ease. Stoners engine gave him the ability to do it whereas I doubt the crossplane builds power in the same way. This year Stoner will not be doing the same screamer slides. I used to slide my big GS1100 all over the place like a dirt bike but as soon as I bought a big Vtwin those days were over...sadly. They just make power a different way.
 
Well how come I can do them on a 520/570 single?

Matter of fact I have done them with ease on a 749S and Duc.just slowing into corners, and the 1098/1198 is even better than that for it.

No, Rossi is a natural "tracking rider".

One of the reasons the "slipper clutch" came into MGP was cos Rossi hated the way the Honda backed into corners ...... the slipper clutch was to appease him.
 
I can slide the Vtwin out of a corner but I could literally rip the tire off of the rim on my 11 doing the same thing and it had the same peak hp figure. Sure the big Ducati can do it but then we're talking huge hp there. I take it you are animal on the single which is fine with me
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in "clean" road racing, people slide when they fails to control engine speed to match the bike speed, so the rear wheel tends to "overtake" the front wheel, the bike sidelines, then riders have to correct it. It looks spectacular but it eats tire, and generally slower than smooth ride, except some corners, like Repsol corner at Catalunya or fast left corner before the hairpin at PI ....
 
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As much as McCoy was a breath of fresh air, even he did not take a full corner in slide like Stoner does. And with such smoothness/style and speed.

Its just hynotic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y6PT33SMHQ

Even some anti-Stoner fans converted after that
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Even Rossi made comments simillar to his comment, about McCoy, that he "had the best seat in the house"

That is pretty fucken cool.
Also attached link of the same race:
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Backing it in Superbike style is one think, but drifting at 180mph with the biked learned hard over, and the throttle pinned is something else.
Who ever says these bikes are all TC and no rider control is full of .... !!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 16 2010, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can slide the Vtwin out of a corner but I could literally rip the tire off of the rim on my 11 doing the same thing and it had the same peak hp figure. Sure the big Ducati can do it but then we're talking huge hp there. I take it you are animal on the single which is fine with me
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Well the 749 and the 1098 both back into corners on their own, and I'd rate them both easier to maintain any slide on than a single.

Must admit though I have never felt as happy with any inline four in a slide situation.
I think the power is just too smooth, the twins have a propensity to let go with less effort. I put this down to the extra "beatiness" of a Vtwin.

But these things:

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were the absolute best fun .....

Though I used to ride a 4 speed version ( not speedway but dirt track here ) ....... and I'm pretty sure it wasn't as "bling" looking as that
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Feb 16 2010, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Backing it in Superbike style is one think, but drifting at 180mph with the biked learned hard over, and the throttle pinned is something else.
Who ever says these bikes are all TC and no rider control is full of .... !!!

Amen ...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nghiemlong @ Feb 15 2010, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in "clean" road racing, people slide when they fails to control engine speed to match the bike speed, so the rear wheel tends to "overtake" the front wheel, the bike sidelines, then riders have to correct it. It looks spectacular but it eats tire, and generally slower than smooth ride, except some corners, like Repsol corner at Catalunya or fast left corner before the hairpin at PI ....

As usual, you're full of .... and ignorance (much like this and a few other threads lately). The slide is to "square" off a corner; going in hot is part of that sequence, not some failure to control anything. The only reason why its not common in 800s is because it doesn't have the grunt to power out (in addition to the added electronics to manage fuel, spin, etc); but, rather corner speed and momentum must be maintained.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 13 2010, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha TZ750 dirt-tracker, which in my opinion was the most malevolant competition bike ever built. Four cylinder liquid-cooled, 750cc two-stroke engine making about 125 horsepower - and no front brake…....."they don't pay me enough to ride that thing"

Arabi, you got that ....... right! The thing sounds like 5 chainsaws pointed at your head all at once. The machine came from Hell and it's aim was to send anybody riding it back to where it where it came from.


That's a magnificent pic of Micky. I'm sure you (as I am) having a bit of a laugh reading the inevitable claim of "I've been watching GP for 100+ years..." only for said to proclaim that 'Johnny come lately' to be the king of anything not excluding the title of "King of Slide". I concede, the new crop (circa 2005 & up) can lay down some rubber (as I remember Melandri doing it with one hand for ..... & giggles, ad Stoner at PI with Rossi in tow no less was simply marvelous); but "drifting a precision 4 stoke as oppose to the controlled chaos of "sliding" a loutish 2 stroke; well for lack of a better description... are world's apart.

Martin Brookman was impressed with the way Schwantz handled his first Grand Prix. "Considering what he was riding and what he was doing, I thought he was the business, straight away. The way he was sliding and drifting the bike around."

"On the Grand Prix bike, we didn't know but they had trouble with carburetor sticking..."

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As Jumkie has pointed out, backing it in is a very effective means of cornering so long as the motorcycle has enough torque. Superbikes are this way, as were the 990s. So to say that backing it in is a rider error and no faster, is ignorant. In the current 800 formula, it produces a slower lap time but is still very important in overtaking.

Additionally, the King of Slide debate will forever be open-ended and up for discussion. Of the current crop, I would have to say Stoner, Rossi and Hayden are the best of the best in that category. Anyone who doesn't think Rossi has the slide in him is ignoring the obvious. It's clear that he's most comfortable with wheels in line and that's when he's at his fastest. But when he needs to brake way deep, or alter his line, or if he just feels like it, Rossi can slide with the best of them.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Feb 16 2010, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Additionally, the King of Slide debate will forever be open-ended and up for discussion. Of the current crop, I would have to say Stoner, Rossi and Hayden are the best of the best in that category. Anyone who doesn't think Rossi has the slide in him is ignoring the obvious.

Rossi doesn't know how to slide as this pic clearly shows.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 16 2010, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi doen't know how to slide as this pic clearly shows.
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The guy hasn't got a clue, who is he anyway
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 16 2010, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's a magnificent pic of Micky. I'm sure you (as I am) having a bit of a laugh reading the inevitable claim of "I've been watching GP for 100+ years..." only for said to proclaim that 'Johnny come lately' to be the king of anything not excluding the title of "King of Slide".
Sigh....it's the usual ........ form the usual few. So Rossi was never comfortable sliding a bike???!!!!!????
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Max was the guy on rails - he realised with the introduction of th 990's the value of sliding and spectacularly started training on a 'tard. Being of a netherworldly talent, this came instantly to him as it does to all the guys at this level - it is then down to personal style and discretion as to the degree that they choose to employ this in their racing. McCoy used to powerslide the ninja because it was so off the pace he used to like to live up to his reputation and entertain the crowd. In this era as we all know, a smoking 'McCoyesque' exit is seldom beneficial to a laptime. The YZR 500 was a different matter though
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Jumkie, these guy's will never step out away from the fictitious facades that they've created, nor shed their Walter Mitty fantasies. I'm having more of a laugh now that I know that Barry 'king cinder' Machine has no trouble sliding a 1098 nor a 749 into corners, obviously summoning his substantial speedway experience and expertise in the process. It must be a dreadful quandry BM, getting up in the morning and deliberating over which one to ride - or more precisely dropping off to sleep at night and wondering which of them to pluck from the fantasy garage that resides in your head. Sliding a bike into a corner is usually accomplished via the back brake. Any ..... can do this, but to step it out nicely and precisely to unsettle your opponents and to line up for a late apex is a fine art - witness Nicky or the late Craig Jones as the chief exponents of this. Sliding the rear on the downshift was something that we saw a great deal of in early Moto GP by Rossi, Capirex and Gibernau et al. and as you quite rightly say BM it has been largely eliminated by the advent of the slipper clutch. Great to hear that you are still a master of this art, of which I have rarely witnessed in a controlled, measured execution outside the realms of professional racing. You'd have trouble smoothly sliding your barstool over to the next crowd of people that you want to bore to death with your incessant bar room braggadocio.

Barry..if you jumped on my 99 R1 and attempted to slide it under the throttle, out of a corner, the thing is so malevolant and unforgiving it'd immediately launch you into orbit quicker than a Saturn V. It'd spit you off faster than a ....... from an African Bull elephant on heat and then callously shake its head at your inability and dismiss you as a festering and fetid pile of roadkill. I can haphazardly back it in on the back brake or even the downshift, but a controlled slide off the throttle is a very, very unpredictable proposition - like trying to parallel/bay park 'Christine' in your local shopping mall.

I managed one very classy powerslide down Devils Elbow at Mallory, on the cold left hand side of the tyre. Where I should have short shifted up into third I decided to try and gas it out in second to get better drive - big big mistake. Devils Elbow is as the name suggests an evil corner created by Lucifer himself as a kind of afterthought. It's off camber and downhill, and practically the only section on the entire circuit were the left hand side of the tyre comes into play. The result was a beautiful stepped out sideways smoking slide down out of the bend onto the home straight which was entirely accidental, and utterly unintentional and quite frankly it scared the crap out of me....Why it didn't break away and toss me into the armco is beyond me. Nobody on this forum produces intentional slides, at will, comparable to the likes of McCoy, be it under throttle or the downshift - and if I could, I can assure you I'd waste no ....... time at all getting it on You Tube and posting it on here for you all to see with a flashing neon style .48 font imploring you all to look at me.

Actually exhibitionism aside, most people I observe who claim to be able to slide a bike akin to 'Nitro Nori' or the 'lab-rat' either do so to a crowd of gullible assorted strangers in a pub; over internet forums; or conveniently don't own a motorcycle - I strongly suspect that you fall into all three categories. How can you spout such ..... when there's guys like Noodlerizer on here who last year competed in the AMA???!!! Not once has he had to regale this forum about how well he can ride - because it speaks for itself. Come for a ride with me Barry, I'd love to learn how to control a slide under your technical tutorship - oh you can't, you're 11,000 miles away...how convenient.

On the other hand, the few guys I know that can competently slide a bike at will don't need to tell you, or anyone else.....they just do it - and usually on a racetrack.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 16 2010, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Arabi, you got that ....... right! The thing sounds like 5 chainsaws pointed at your head all at once. The machine came from Hell and it's aim was to send anybody riding it back to where it where it came from.

.... Jum, I forgot you saw the TZ/KNRsnr tribute last year at the Indy Mile last year. I'd love to hear that beast on full song.
 
Nice post Arrab, and so true.

Only 8 sleeps to PI WSBK - god I'm so looking forward to some racing.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 16 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi doesn't know how to slide as this pic clearly shows.
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Stoners slides are gay like his fan boys
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Gibbers had some sweet slides also.. coming down the hill in Germany i member
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Feb 16 2010, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gibbers had some sweet slides also.. coming down the hill in Germany i member
Similarly, I used to love watching Aaron Yates down the hill at Road America
 

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