MotoGP back in action at Sepang Test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 17 2010, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C,mon Arab, can,t you see that the background is blurry

Yeah what ever, to me it looks like camera is out of focus!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Feb 17 2010, 11:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah what ever, to me it looks like camera is out of focus!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Feb 18 2010, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah what ever, to me it looks like camera is out of focus!!!

Yeah and somebody has thrown a little puff of dirt out behind the rear wheel


Oh wait .... its me we are picking on

PS for the Aussie folk ........ guess what the car is in the background. I know its blurry but its a very "special" Aus. car ....... well it was Not many around these days anymore



Arab ..... You have posted crap ...... in your last post thats all I'm bothered to say

Brakes to initiate a slide

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 18 2010, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Presumably you cite the 1098 as being more effective due to the higher engine braking. Clearly then you were referring to the downshift - although I concede, throttle control and body position are still of relevance...or could it be you yourself meant the back brake. Enlighten us...what is the Barry Machine methodology behind sliding a bike when slowing into a corner if it doesn't involve either the rear brake, or engine braking? Purely body position and throttle control??? Tell us Barry, after all you do it with ease on your 749.

Ok I did find a bit I can/will comment on.

The real answer is ......... the corner ...... ( meaning it depends on what corner, there is no one fixed recipe )

in that PI Corner, its more,

the whole bike is nearing breaking traction

do you want the front to let go? ........... nup

so where does your weight go ........ up front and inside.

what happens with the back end? ...... its lighter

add just enough throttle and the back will let go ...... but

once it starts, bike lean is what then comes into maintaining it, if you thinking its going to grab ( highside ) pull the bike inward ( but this kinda increases the rearslide as well )

SO really its a constant balance of body, throttle and lean.
The lean can be seen toward of Stoners PI last lap vid you see him pick up the bike ..... it starts to get more forward motion then and less sideways, then when he's got it going again he leans the bike back into it toward the end.

Wow ...... thats my call on a 1 second event

But ok on the jabbing the back brake to kick it out "myth" here's a question .......

Where's the back wheel under heavy braking to a corner? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, answer .....off the grund mostlly .... so you can ... away all day and it ain't going to be doing diddly other than causing you anguish when it hits the ground as a stopped tyre ........ "myth busted"

Yeah you can play with the back brake to skid it a bit ........... but you aren't moving fast enough to be even out sightseeing.

The beauty of the Vtwins ...... they seem to give an engine modulated amount of traction on the way into a corner ( merely based on the slip release slip release the tyre experiences as the engine pumps over each compression stroke ) but don't forget that even on most 4's they have slipper clutches cos the engine braking is already pretty severe ( let alone using a back brake!! )

But thats probably a recipe for one corner ........ if you really wanted "tutoring" we would have to see many and varied corners and discuss possiblities of each ...... then try them.

If you want a "corner recipe" from me, your not getting it.

Its more of a case of show me the cake, and I'll have a go at the recipe

I know-its a P38 -half a car!

Wow Barry, keep it up....this is very entertaining

you do realize that on that YouTube page their are links to many other great powerslides including vr doing the same thing in the same corner in the same race, but how is this possible? I thought Stacey was the only rider who could powerslide or back it in?

The Stacey vid is nice in slow mo, just enough time to spank the purple headed warrior hey baz.

It is simply impossible to compare these slides on 800s with mighty Mick or mr squiggle in the 500 era, or even the early days of the 990s, Troy corser did some of the best I've ever seen at valencia 2005 on the gixxer 1000 in wsbk, from memory he and kagi where both smoking in several corners over the last couple of laps.

BM, sorry dude, I don't like to see anyone getting picked on, but you brought this on yourself.

Surprised that everyone feels so confident that BM can't slide a bike around. I don't know if he can but it is certainly not the domain of just racers to be able to do this. The are plenty of awesome riders around who have never pulled up to the starting grid. People ride bikes to achieve different things. One guy might love stunting and be able to slide a bike around like a ........... but put him on a track and even Talpa on his #46 tricycle could beat him. Another guy might be hell quick on a track but not be even able to pull a decent wheelie. So what.

BM, if you have Talpa yelling abuse at you then in my books you are on the right track because if he disagrees with it then you are almost guaranteed to be talking the truth.

As for my bike skills, well I can go as fast as anybody ..... in a straight line!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Feb 18 2010, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BM, sorry dude, I don't like to see anyone getting picked on, but you brought this on yourself.


Get real Nuts


I feel about as phased as a giant sloth about their carry on.
Most of it is so way off target its a little giggle for me.

Its "intermission" this is all just a load of fun anyway, until its back into it

Gee some of you guys really do lead "sheltered" lives

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bunyip @ Feb 18 2010, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I know-its a P38 -half a car!



Well done!!

though I must admit, I couldn't see the "half a car" description of it after a while. It was a magic car ( well that, the V8 was ..... you may be thinking of the 6, which was more like a 1/4 car )

When my dad finally sold that car he had it out the front of the house for about 2 seconds flat, a guy buys it and is raving about how good it is. He tells my dad he is the editor of Wheel Mag. at the time, and a few months later that very car was on the cover of Wheels Mag.

Was a greatcar for getting to the races, with the trailer on you could still fit more in the boot than guys with vans could.

Half a car indeed

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 18 2010, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The are plenty of awesome riders around who have never pulled up to the starting grid.

Hey!! I did my fair share of racing! Matter of fact I have actually raced against Baylis







......


ok

it was actually Baylis's dad and uncle I believe

I'm actually pretty old, I mustn't look it

I'm done with it, not that I tried very hard to begin with. There's no debating with you, BM. I've actually never been a hater of yours, most of the time I think people are a bit short with you. However there are occasions where you bring it on yourself and this is one of those occasions. Arrab has posted two well-crafted posts debating the intricacies of sliding technique and asking your opinion on the subject, seeing as you're an expert, and all you can be bothered to respond with is "it's crap."

As far as using the rear brake, you don't have to skid to induce a slide. No one here is suggesting that these guys are standing on the rear to get it to step out, that would be ludicrous at this level. The only suggestion is that many times, the differentiating wheel speeds of the front and rear caused by the rear brake leads to the rear stepping out. It's not a skid, the rear never locks. The proof is in Hayden's enormous rear disc, just as Arrab pointed out pages ago.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 18 2010, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you want a "corner recipe" from me, your not getting it.

Its more of a case of show me the cake, and I'll have a go at the recipe
No, I want you to confirm that when YOU slide your 749 when you are slowing for a corner - as you have told us you can do with ease, you are employing solely a mixture of throttle control and body position and the bike slides owing to the explanation that you have just provided. None of your rambling ...........just a simple yes or no.

The only recipe that you could knock up when it comes to cornering Berry would be a recipe for disaster.

I'd sooner gorge myself on a large helping of 'turd pie' before I took a leaf from your cookbook.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 18 2010, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Surprised that everyone feels so confident that BM can't slide a bike around. I don't know if he can but it is certainly not the domain of just racers to be able to do this. The are plenty of awesome riders around who have never pulled up to the starting grid. People ride bikes to achieve different things. One guy might love stunting and be able to slide a bike around like a ........... but put him on a track and even Talpa on his #46 tricycle could beat him. Another guy might be hell quick on a track but not be even able to pull a decent wheelie. So what.

BM, if you have Talpa yelling abuse at you then in my books you are on the right track because if he disagrees with it then you are almost guaranteed to be talking the truth.

As for my bike skills, well I can go as fast as anybody ..... in a straight line!!!
And arri, Austin, curve.......me thinks as usual, you are about as far off as Barry the great,


STONER BOPPERS UNITE

see some people here know a bit about bikes, racing and actually ride quite regularly, and others regularly toss off on their arm chairs.....you fit into jumkies 'act like you've been watching gp for 100 years' but really you probably only tuned in midway through 2007 judging by your love of 800cc, I know it's tough when you have nothing to compare it to

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Feb 19 2010, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, I want you to confirm that when YOU slide your 749 when you are slowing for a corner - as you have told us you can do with ease, you are employing solely a mixture of throttle control and body position and the bike slides owing to the explanation that you have just provided. None of your rambling ...........just a simple yes or no.

Which corner Arab?

I have done a few corners, and even on any single bike, every single corner is different.

I have certainly taken corners where the above, as you have described, is the case.

I have also taken corners where it is not the case.

Its not a game console, I'm talking a nuts and bolts bike and real world corners.

Specific to the 749, this bike did not have a slipper clutch, and has a fairly severe deceleration ( though not as severe as it could be were it not for the ECU ) and it most certainly loses the rear very easily on decelleration. And even then thats a pretty mild bike compared to some I've ridden, mostly bikes of yore, and as I have already explained I have ridden and slid bikes with absolutely no brakes, front or back , apart from engine compression.

As I have already said, this even happens inadvertently on a 749.

I don't get your point ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 19 2010, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And arri, Austin, curve.......me thinks as usual, you are about as far off as Barry the great,


STONER BOPPERS UNITE

see some people here know a bit about bikes, racing and actually ride quite regularly, and others regularly toss off on their arm chairs.....you fit into jumkies 'act like you've been watching gp for 100 years' but really you probably only tuned in midway through 2007 judging by your love of 800cc, I know it's tough when you have nothing to compare it to

Talpa you are such a ........ What is wrong with loving the 800's? I ....... love them just as i did the 990's and 500's. See ......., I love the sport so to me it doesn't matter what they are riding, if it has 2 wheels a motor and goes fast round a track then I am into it. I don't waste my time on nostalgia, I just look forward. If you don't then .... off and go and leave messages on Rossi's facebook page in the hope that he may show you some love and dream of the old era when no one was capable of beating the object of your fantasy because the world has changed.

I have been watching for a fair period and I know a bit and I can ride a bike ok but certainly wouldn't classify my ability as even good.

You on the other hand remind me of this great saying -

"He who knows not that he knows not is a fool, shun him."

Yeah there are people on here that know a .... load more than me about bikes, racing and technology. You are not one of them, fool!

Good ..... slap.
Owned TALPS.

Me, I'm .... scared to even try to slide anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 19 2010, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Talpa you are such a ........ What is wrong with loving the 800's? I ....... love them just as i did the 990's and 500's. See ......., I love the sport so to me it doesn't matter what they are riding, if it has 2 wheels a motor and goes fast round a track then I am into it. I don't waste my time on nostalgia, I just look forward. If you don't then .... off and go and leave messages on Rossi's facebook page in the hope that he may show you some love and dream of the old era when no one was capable of beating the object of your fantasy because the world has changed.

I have been watching for a fair period and I know a bit and I can ride a bike ok but certainly wouldn't classify my ability as even good.

You on the other hand remind me of this great saying -

"He who knows not that he knows not is a fool, shun him."

Yeah there are people on here that know a .... load more than me about bikes, racing and technology. You are not one of them, fool!
Ohhhhhhh......hit a bit of a nerve did we, funny how you can start something then not like what comes back.....unusual from you!!!! Must be some truth in there then

Anger management issues me thinks,

Highly entertaining though. I could call you a small minded patriachial tosser cocksucking moron as well, but I won't. We have to keep a standard here...and as you've proven it doesn't solve much, Anyway this is about the other stoner tosser

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Feb 19 2010, 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I could call you a small minded patriachial tosser cocksucking moron as well, but I won't. We have to keep a standard here...and as you've proven it doesn't solve much, Anyway this is about the other stoner tosser
I am fairly indifferent as to whether barry can slide ducatis and to the method he employs if he can but give most members on here the benefit of the doubt concerning whether they are being truthful including your claim to have TV industry connections on the other thread.

By the way, why do you frequently refer to posters on the forum with whom you disagree as patriarchal? Do you think they are representing themselves as authority figures or do you mean patronising?

Almost out of popcorn

But don't let that stop you guys. Most of you are doing a fabulous job I must say.