<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 21 2010, 02:21 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
ANd I think you are missing a great oportunity if you really have a road full of snow out front
I'd love that
well at least to give it a go.
Apologies people -I realise that this thread has degenerated into something that is very tedious and childish, but then it is very much like reasoning with a child.
So there you have it: 'Does he? why?' You are a complete and absolute buffoon.
Barry you have already proved yourself to be a complete inveterate liar. Not just through the ........ claims that you make, but also through your dishonesty. I have a very good memory, and last year you posted something which Big Al subsequently showed to be complete crap, so you went back and edited your post. Being as dim as you are, you didn't realise that the time of edit was displayed for all to see, which was after Al had made his post. You were exposed as being a dishonest liar then, so why should anything have changed? Why should anyone believe a word that you say? I'm prepared to meet anyone on here to qualify anything I post - are you?
1/ and 2/ That's what I'm asking you to answer you imbecile.
3/ No mention of 'jabbing' Berry
4/ This is not about you 'copying' the method of backing in you fool, it's about you acknowledging
that the back brake and the downshift are recognised techniques employed to back a bike in, which currently you do not. You not have heard of Craig Jones? You seem to rejoice in your ignorance. Wouldn't you rather ask about him, or find out why he is so sorely missed? or even watch World Supersport from time to time. Even though Craig is sadly deceased, it is a very spectacular series replete with 'backing in'
5/ And you do this with ease simply from closing the throttle and positioning your body?
6/ The video's all clearly illustrate use of the back brake and downshift in the backing in process. In the first one - which I acknowledged as a crude example, you can even see the smoke and hear the screech caused by this. But you think that I am misinterpreting them. I asked you to account for them - and you haven't. Why am I misinterpreting them Berry?
Barry - this isn't about your riding ability - you've already told us about that, it's boring now. I've acknowledged - if it makes you feel better that based on your claims you are a far superior rider than I, so like I say, cut out the facetious comments and the pointless one-upmanship we've done that now.
Le's go back to the start. I posted a great image of Mick Doohan on the NSR500. There was also an image of the TZ750 flat tracker - which incidentally has a back brake and no front brake, (why could that be Barry?) - but we'll ignore that for now. This prompted some great images and clips of McCoy and the Philip Island clip of Stoner. These are called POWERSLIDES Barry. I'll spell it out:
P-O-W-E-R-S-L-I-D-E'-S
It's easy to remember, think of the name of this forum if you get confused, assuming that you have the necessary powers of retention.
Keeping up so far? Good.
A Powerslide is produced by breaking the traction of the tyre and causing it to spin. Think of the Iraqi chap in MDUb's video furiously pedalling to transfer an excess of power through the crank to the rear wheel -it's the same principle. Powerslides are attributed to the influx of American exponents of flat tracking, rear wheel steerers or tailgunners as they were christened at the time. The initial debate on this thread concerned this method of sliding - usually employed around and out of, a constant or increasing radius corner, and does not require the back brake, and is reliant on body positioning and throttle control.
On the subject of sliding, you then went on to say this:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2010, 02:57 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Matter of fact I have done them with ease on a 749S and Duc.just
slowing into corners, and the 1098/1198 is even better than that for it.
Note the slowing into corners - that's the crucial bit. So courtesy your change of tack, we are no longer in the realm of the
P-O-W-E-R-S-L-I-D-E, that has gone now, evidently along with solely body position and throttle control, because you are talking about SLOWING into a corner.
Or so I thought, until you said this:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2010, 10:34 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well the 749 and the 1098 both back into corners on their own, and I'd rate them both easier to maintain any slide on than a single.
So YOU yourself have shifted the thread from POWERSLIDES to BACKING IT IN, two very different approaches to sliding. Which you appear to do simply by closing the throttle. For the record you also said this....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 16 2010, 10:34 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Must admit though I have never felt as happy with any inline four in a slide situation.
..and later:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 20 2010, 01:55 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Edit: it just dawned on me, you said you have an R1 ..... your are not telling me you have to downshift that to get the back to let go ?
Followed by an exhortation for me to take a '99 r1 out into the snow and ice, because you would.
I assumed that you meant that you were backing your 749s in with the back brake or the downshift.. In this context I commented that most slides to this avail are accomplished using the back brake. When I also mentioned the downshift you ridiculed me. I then provided videos, accounts and instances and irrefutable evidence that indeed, the back brake and the downshift are the chief mechanisms in backing a bike in, which you completely dismissed and continue to do so. So I asked you to clarify how when slowing for a corner you backed your bike in. You replied:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 18 2010, 11:45 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Specific to the 749, this bike did not have a slipper clutch, and has a fairly severe deceleration ( though not as severe as it could be were it not for the ECU ) and it most certainly loses the rear very easily on decelleration. And even then thats a pretty mild bike compared to some I've ridden, mostly bikes of yore, and as I have already explained I have ridden and slid bikes with absolutely no brakes, front or back
, apart from engine compression.
As I have already said, this even happens inadvertently on a 749.
Barry you put 749 here, but when I similarly abbreviated it and omitted the 's' -
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 21 2010, 02:21 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No I cannot confirm I have Slid my 749, mainly because I have never owned one
However, yes I can confirm I have slid a 749S very easily into some corners ( As I have already told you
). all too easy would be more of a description I perhaps should add
.
You really make yourself look very stupid - usually in an attempt to be clever. You just reduce yourself to the status of a half-wit. As I said, it really is like trying to reason with a child. So where are we so far? OK, we started talking about Powerslides, but you then told us that you slide your 749, (sorry forgot the 's') with ease when slowing for a corner and you apparently accomplish this inadvertently simply by shutting the throttle. I then asked for confirmation that you when slowing for corners you were sliding the bike purely on throttle control and body position. Your reply:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 20 2010, 01:55 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How else would I
I've already said I don't touch the back brake, and I certainly wasn't washing off speed by downshifting
So how else did I Arab?
So in conclusion, your 749.....'s' takes care of the slide when you shut the throttle. Without downshifting, there is sufficient engine braking to slide the bike, and that my supposition that traditionally ' backing in' a bike by the use of the rear brake and the downshift, commonplace in superbikes and supermotard is nonsense.
I have limited experience on twins, having never owned one, but I have ridden a 748, which the owner dismissed as being gutless. I agreed - it really was. I have ridden a 916, a 998, and an SP2 - all legendary for their grunt, but I have never encountered the rear stepping out or breaking loose from simply closing the throttle on the approach to a corner. In a low gear - definitely, but surely then that would necessitate downshifting wouldn't it Berry - unless you ride everywhere in second or third -which you probably do.
But as I keep stressing, this isn't about your riding Barry, or whether or not I myself 'get out there and do it'. Forget that. You've wasted no time in repeatedly telling us how great you are on a bike, that's fine. I acknowledge, based upon what you say, you are a better rider than I.
This is simply about you accepting that during the process of slowing for a corner, ie, backing it in, the back brake and the downshift are used by certain motorcycle racers and supermotard riders - and you refuse to do this. To quote GS:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Feb 19 2010, 10:23 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you want to clearly see Rossi instigate a rear slide just look up a promotional video he did riding the R1. Without question he was squaring off the corner using the back brake to kick the rear end out...y'know google it you will find it.
Your take on this idea?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Feb 17 2010, 10:41 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jabbing the brake or downshifting to induce a slide
No one mentioned jabbing Barry - that's you. Significant that you would presume to know more about backing in a bike than the GOAT.
Once more, it's not about whether or not
you choose to Barry, we've already established that you do not use the back brake or downshift to back in,
but simply that many professional world class racers do - most commonly today in WSBk. Forget how you ride, or I ride, very simply, do you accept this?
: I'm in the Northern Hemisphere remember. But I'd kill to have my old PE 175 back right now in this. 
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