Seems this is another race the BBC decided to hide on the red button channel then. The people who really want to see it and know where to find it will watch of course, but those casual viewers who might spot in the tv guide and have a look won't even know it's happening!! I'm sorry but that makes me really annoyed.
lil red rocket pilot
You think that if it gives you comfort dear, some of us disagree
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Man let it go!
WE know we were right
You think that if it gives you comfort dear, some of us disagree
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Rossi apparently loves it, from the interview after fp2. Doesnt count much for laptimes tho.
Weird tho, if the bike is easier to ride and shifts quicker, you would think it would have a significant impact on times. Maybe over race distance it will (saves tires, fuel, etc)
Rossi apparently loves it, from the interview after fp2. Doesnt count much for laptimes tho.
Weird tho, if the bike is easier to ride and shifts quicker, you would think it would have a significant impact on times. Maybe over race distance it will (saves tires, fuel, etc)
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I'd think adding in such a significant compnent will require a lot of setup changes in the bike which means testing. It'll take them a while to get the optimum setup, so I'm not too disheartened by today. I think too many people were getting confused and thought Yamaha were installing a 'win' button rather than a new component.
Rossi has clearly already seen an improvement. Jorge has said he likes the box, but the bike didn't feel as good as last year. He said he expects to be a bit quicker tomorrow.
Rossi has clearly already seen an improvement. Jorge has said he likes the box, but the bike didn't feel as good as last year. He said he expects to be a bit quicker tomorrow.
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The $800,000 semen transmission seems to be really working its magic. The Yamahas are exactly behind the Hondas. Well done.
Lyra, no use watching it anyway, just make your observations from the post practice reports written, which are always right. Come to think of it, do the same for the race. No use in fielding your opinions about the rider's tone, they only race with their hearts never their mind. This is why you never hear riders say [suggest, express, imply, indicate, insinuate] in post race interviews that they settled for their position understanding that risking more might have been...well more risky.
L8, Aleix wants to leave because he heard from his brother that Yamaha are giving out free satellite Yamahas to riders who's last names are Espargaro. Given Forward racing is going to be using Cal's old bike, naturally he feels entitled to it.
Ah, the updates on VR's brother Luca during the MotoGP practices have been helpful. Always good to know how a rider who's won nothing in the CEV is doing on his Moto3 promotion.
Stnd, you're right, the question about the prospect of riding a bike with more power and less rider aids, and automatic bikes in the future was more insightful than asking a bunch of riders poised to ride at an Italian GP if Ago was preferred to Hailwood. I should have thought of that.
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Lyra, no use watching it anyway, just make your observations from the post practice reports written, which are always right. Come to think of it, do the same for the race. No use in fielding your opinions about the rider's tone, they only race with their hearts never their mind. This is why you never hear riders say [suggest, express, imply, indicate, insinuate] in post race interviews that they settled for their position understanding that risking more might have been...well more risky.
L8, Aleix wants to leave because he heard from his brother that Yamaha are giving out free satellite Yamahas to riders who's last names are Espargaro. Given Forward racing is going to be using Cal's old bike, naturally he feels entitled to it.
Ah, the updates on VR's brother Luca during the MotoGP practices have been helpful. Always good to know how a rider who's won nothing in the CEV is doing on his Moto3 promotion.
Stnd, you're right, the question about the prospect of riding a bike with more power and less rider aids, and automatic bikes in the future was more insightful than asking a bunch of riders poised to ride at an Italian GP if Ago was preferred to Hailwood. I should have thought of that.
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Jumkie
Absolutely. My observations are all my own based upon the opinions of Toby Moody, Neil Spalding, Julian Ryder or David Emmett.
Actually, I genuinely don't ever think I have ever heard MM say that he "settled for a position".
Absolutely. My observations are all my own based upon the opinions of Toby Moody, Neil Spalding, Julian Ryder or David Emmett.
Actually, I genuinely don't ever think I have ever heard MM say that he "settled for a position".
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Jumkie
Sorry, my sarcasm genes have sustained severe damage of late.
I bet he wasn't though.
I suppose it has a lot to do whether one tends to lap up the P/R platitudes in the same naive way that many post practice reports are regarded as gospel
Sorry, my sarcasm genes have sustained severe damage of late.
I bet he wasn't though.
I suppose it has a lot to do whether one tends to lap up the P/R platitudes in the same naive way that many post practice reports are regarded as gospel
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Well, lets applaud Race Direction for their consistency once again. 2 race ban for dangerous riding during a practice. Just like when Marquez almost killed the Thai rider and received his 2 race ban. (<u>SARCASM!</u>)
http://motomatters.com/news/2013/09/13/dani_rivas_handed_2_race_ban_for_silvers.htmlhttp://motomatters.com/news/2013/09/13/dani_rivas_handed_2_race_ban_for_silvers.html
Side note: Dani Rivas' crashed happened at approximately 15 mph, as he was slowing down to stop to do practice starts, the impact causing the riders to fall merely feet from the point of impact VS Marquez's crashed into Wilairot was over 100 mph (Marc was traveling nearly race velocity at the high speed turn 3 of PI) and with absolutely no intention to slow down until the collision, the impact so severe that the riders and their machines ended up over a 100 feet from the point of impact, well over 40 feet off the track and into the gravel. How this didn't kill either of them is a miracle. How Marquez didn't get a banned from the rest of the season, let alone a 2 race ban, is criminal. (Marc was issued a 1 addition minute penalty to his qual lap time. Yeah, that is it! And the team actually appealed this penalty).
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http://motomatters.com/news/2013/09/13/dani_rivas_handed_2_race_ban_for_silvers.htmlhttp://motomatters.com/news/2013/09/13/dani_rivas_handed_2_race_ban_for_silvers.html
Side note: Dani Rivas' crashed happened at approximately 15 mph, as he was slowing down to stop to do practice starts, the impact causing the riders to fall merely feet from the point of impact VS Marquez's crashed into Wilairot was over 100 mph (Marc was traveling nearly race velocity at the high speed turn 3 of PI) and with absolutely no intention to slow down until the collision, the impact so severe that the riders and their machines ended up over a 100 feet from the point of impact, well over 40 feet off the track and into the gravel. How this didn't kill either of them is a miracle. How Marquez didn't get a banned from the rest of the season, let alone a 2 race ban, is criminal. (Marc was issued a 1 addition minute penalty to his qual lap time. Yeah, that is it! And the team actually appealed this penalty).
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If you read the rule book it says that only a confirmed kill qualifies any rider who has a Q in their surname for a 2 race ban.
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Willski
Krop, can you verify this rule? <span style="font-size:8px;(Presumably written in extremely small print.)
Or are we, once again, wearing our tinfoil hats too tight? <Sarcasm Alert!>
If you get a chance, you might ask <strike>The Holy One</strike> Marquez when he plans to start looking for those pesky race control flags.
Krop, can you verify this rule? <span style="font-size:8px;(Presumably written in extremely small print.)
Or are we, once again, wearing our tinfoil hats too tight? <Sarcasm Alert!>
If you get a chance, you might ask <strike>The Holy One</strike> Marquez when he plans to start looking for those pesky race control flags.
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Texas
Wtf is with the bleachers in Alvaros pits?? Better vantage point to see them sweet highlights?? :lol: ...... ......
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(Bunch of words & thoughts ahead, feel free to skip)
Breathtaking. I wonder if the reporter asking him the question (and others "adults" present) called him out for complete and utter nonsense and ......... What a disconnect with reality with this kid, surely a reflection of:his golden status, preponderance of journalist unwilling to call him out and throw hardball follow up questions, paddock insider indifference--this perhaps as Krops suggest is cowardice to stand up to the League, Race Direction's consistent willingness to turn a blind eye, the arrogance by his handlers in his Moto2 garage (surely still some of the same influential voices in his present garage) and the current willingness to describe this year's transgressions as "exciting riding" (ie ramming Lorenzo at Jerez). Marc slammed into Wilairot AFTER the ....... flag, when riders are supposed to loosen the throttle and slow the hell down, and he has the balls to say, well the Thai rider bears some fault? Are you ....... kidding me?! (Who here agrees with this sentiment of Marc's, name yourself so I can lose all respect for you too.) The rider next to Wilairot was also going slow, because they had heeded the flag indicating the session was OVER. Any "expert" commentator with a shred of integrity should be ashamed to entertain this ........ rationalization by Marquez. The next word out of the reporter hearing this weak ... justification and rationalization should have said "........ son, you ...... up royally and almost killed a man and should have been made to sit out the rest of the season to reflect on your stupid ...! Grow the .... up!" Jesus, I honestly want to like this kid, but here he was given an opportunity to redeem himself a bit and failed. How about accepting responsibility, saying perhaps he got off easy and expressing remorse, maybe saying something like, u know I was a teenager and I ...... up, I did something stupid, this would have gone a long way with me. (He is still a kid I guess but ...., blaming the victim?--.... you man.)
Krops, thanks for giving this inconsistency a couple of paragraphs at the end of your round up, though for my taste you still presented it with kiddy gloves, I understand you have to be more professional on your site. Thanks for having the presence of mind to also describe the "new" tone of race direction with the caveats and conditions of "perhaps" and "slightly" new direction. Yeah, I'd also be very tentative in describing this supposed "new" race direction, as frankly other than issuing a weak "warning" to Marc for attempted murder on marshals (which is basically what this ........ "penalty points" system is, NOT an actual 'punishment' for flagrant disregard of yellow caution flags); nothing substantive has 'actually' been done to thwart his consistently dangerous behavior. And why would it, ...., had he read this forum after he rammed Lorenzo, he would have found most applauding the move as exciting. I don't think there is a "new" tone for race direction at all, and you pretty much touched on the reasons why: class justice. Basically penalties are issued to grid fillers and riders inconsequential to the championship. These are the 'nobodies' whose lives and participation is only useful to the League to provide the appearance of an authentic competition. Hell, this 2 race ban is simply part of this facade, that somebody is looking out for the safety of the sport (though those of us watching and understanding it with some scrutiny are not fooled) We should call this class of riders, the CRT-class of faceless young men who, despite dedicating and risking life, limb, and fortune to the sport, their plight is of no value to the League other than filling the grid spots for our entertainment. Wilairot's career, though at the time had flashes of some brilliance, has not been the same since this crash. Those who can shrug their shoulders at such dastard inconsistency for these participants have simply not paused to think and really empathized how you might feel if this had been your favorite rider being torpedoed. What might we feel had Wilairot rammed into Marquez and effectively destroyed his career? Certainly the images from the hospital bed may have moved us, or would we be more moved if a title contender was eliminated from our entertainment?
Regardless of this ........ penalty points system which in affect allows fouls to go decidedly 'unpunished' (breathtaking deterrent this, where one screw up can mean yours or others careers or worse),I maintain perhaps the only pause for reflection this kid has heeded so far has come from the likely word of caution (regardless of motive, magnitude, wisdom, strategy or otherwise) given by somebody in his sphere of influence, perhaps moved by his even further elevated status and profile at HRC (and now that my admired friend Arrabi has given me license to say it "feasible", the likelihood that this occurred at some point to a "rookie" is not only decidedly one-hundred percent probable, but normally the ongoing order of the day for any "new" additions to a premier class, hence the connotation of "rookie", and frankly baffling its even debatable to consider no wisdom would be imparted in such a circumstance. And where else would such wisdom be best employed but on the track, regardless of the magnitude and consistency of employing such wisdom). This kid has displayed fantastic talent and exhibited a propensity to be seemingly unaware of mortality, reenforced by those cheering on reckless tactics and dismissing his dangerous maneuvers in the past in exchange for the thrills he provides on the track, BUT he ain't stupid; as they say, nothing focuses the mind like the prospect of a hanging, or in this case spectacularly ....... up yourself or another title contender, especially one employed by your employer, that and the realities that DNFs are bad for championships. It seems to me Marc has been riding more calculated, patient, and though still enthusiastically aggressive its been noticeably measured, that is in the context of a previous propensity to barge through. I'm sure the learning curve he has displayed and his progression, as all rookies experience, as the season transpires is multifaceted, from working with a new team, learning the machine, tires and its characteristics, to adapting to the propensities of his rivals, etc., moreover, certainly part of this advancement in growth and understanding has surely come from advice rendered by those who would impart such wisdom. It would seem ludicrous to believe that the kid could internalize and react to all the technical and nuanced aspects of competing against his rivals on the track while shunting universal insight about successful competition.
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