Maybe the answer is a lot simpler......stoner is great at losail.
Give it 3-4 races and we will know.
Maybe the answer is a lot simpler......stoner is great at losail.
Give it 3-4 races and we will know.
The 'problem' is that life is quite a bit more complicated than you seem to think it is. The discussion of those pesky 'if' and 'buts,' is where real understanding can be found. If, on the other hand, if you are content to count trophies, don't let me stop you.
I was replying to Scotty that either he has to consider 'ifs and buts' for all riders or none (I was responding to the following line)
Are you telling me that only some of the following are valid excuses?
1. Rossi not winning 2007 and fans blaming Ducati superiority + Bridgestones
2. Stoner not winning 2008 and fans fancy conspiracy theories + scaphoid issue
3. Stoner not winning 2009 and fans blaming POS Ducati + Lactose intolerance
4. Rossi not winning 2010 and fans blaming broken leg+ injured shoulder
5. Stoner not winning 2010 and fans blaming Ducati front end
If you look at this, at some point of time, every rider will have some excuses for not winning the championship. It would be hypocrisy to present issues faced by one rider as facts and another as some sorry excuse. Its when you get selective like that, people start writing BS.
I stated multiple times that I have no problem in acknowledging that Stoner and Lorenzo and probably Pedrosa are riding better than Rossi. But I don't consider the shoulder injury as an excuse (ie, I consider it to be a real injury and not made up) for poor performance and am not ready to write off Rossi in the future just because he is struggling a bit at the moment
I think its true because of the sheer amount of pace he suddenly dropped in one lap....like 1.3 or 1.4 seconds when the lap before it was neck and neck.
Mind you it is dani we are talking about.
So what it excused him when he didnt have the right equipment......nore more no less lol. If so then by your own judgement vale currently doesnt have the right equipment? Hang on a minute you said no excuses
Seriously mate.....we get it ^^
yes but val is the god of motogp he can walk on water no matter what he equipment hes on and I would have thought that considering that stoner rode the duke so fast and so well on his first ride but mind you val won that race at Qatar in 2007 on the yami the roll is reversed now and I would have thought that he would have mastered the duke and would have rode it quicker and would have been right up there just like stoner was at the end of last year...val does have the right equipment he just dosent know how to ride it as quick as stoner...end of story
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Danis lap times show no 1.3 to 1.4 loss of time on his part in one lap, Stoner just wicked it up a notch , Danis lap chart dont jive with the shoulder excuse. It looks like he was fast, got passed, pouted for a couple of laps , realized Lorenzo was coming and picked it back up. Got passed by Lorenzo and pouted some more, then ran the last lap 7\10ths faster than the previous lap
3rd Dani PEDROSA Repsol Honda Team SPA
1 2'04.310 32.128 30.746 29.080 32.356 189.3
2 1'56.216 25.574 30.254 28.589 31.799 312.8
3 1'55.899 25.290 30.286 28.515 31.808 323.4
4 1'55.392 25.223 30.063 28.346 31.760 322.6
5 1'55.866 25.175 30.179 28.549 31.963 324.0
6 1'55.655 25.231 29.947 28.567 31.910 324.3
7 1'55.721 25.236 30.017 28.549 31.919 321.0
8 1'55.724 25.279 30.048 28.507 31.890 320.7
9 1'56.212 25.131 30.222 28.935 31.924 320.0
10 1'55.988 25.226 30.148 28.656 31.958 321.5
11 1'56.024 25.243 30.121 28.667 31.993 321.6
12 1'56.037 25.206 30.058 28.851 31.922 321.0
13 1'56.472 25.277 30.441 28.800 31.954 321.6
14 1'56.475 25.285 30.575 28.698 31.917 323.7
15 1'56.087 25.231 30.409 28.528 31.919 323.5
16 1'56.241 25.483 30.203 28.667 31.888 321.2
17 1'56.346 25.234 30.368 28.763 31.981 323.7
18 1'56.546 25.271 30.322 28.759 32.194 322.2
19 1'56.652 25.424 30.545 28.700 31.983 322.9
20 1'56.585 25.411 30.353 28.776 32.045 324.8
21 1'56.930 25.405 30.369 29.188 31.968 322.1
22 1'56.242 25.356 30.356 28.705 31.825 322.9
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I 'm on holiday these days, and managed to see the race only today.
Stoner impressed me no ends, not so much for his speed that we all know already, but for the intelligence he used in managing the race. He was great, did just what was needed, did not rush it in the first laps. This is the racing of a world champion.
Lorenzo is not going to hand him the crown though -- great race for him too, he was capable to insert his solitary Yamaha in front of all Hondas but Stoner's.
Pedrosa does not complain much, but his physical problems were evident in the end. He might also have been a little demoralized by the way Stoner passed him and inflicted him 1.2 seconds in less than two laps, the moment he decided to go.
SImoncelli's only problem is probably his weight, otherwise he would have been a podium contender for sure in this race.
Dovi -- where will he go next year?
Rossi -- not so bad. Holding off a fighter like Spies for most of the race, on "his" Yamaha, was something. And had he pulled off that fast start, he would have been with Dovi and Sic. Still I think he is not going to fight for podiums until the second half of the season.
The others, more or less as expected... Nicky could have done better probably, but a bad start spoiled his race.
Bad start + had to make a dead stop not running over Randy! Was in last position and had to make his way forward. He believes he could have cought Collin if there was more time.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/167580/1/rossi_issues_instructions_after_first_ducati_race.html
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Do you not read posts? do you not read facts? you ever heard of a comma?.....why am i even asking?
I'll say it once more in a simple way so you can grasp it better...
20bhp/bridgestone difference in 2007......what possible aid/advantage has valentino got in 2011?
You keep ringing out that tired and entirely unfair comparison buddy, if it makes you feel better.
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Ok so i just remember hearing a commentator mention 1.3 seconds dropped by pedrosa, and i definately remember him just suddenly dropping off within the space of a lap....maybe 2. In the 3 first bold laps highlighted thats around 1.3 secs(0.9 over 2 consecutive laps) but as i was going off a comment from the commentary team, and i was working and watching at the same time....it may not be over one lap. It certainly still seemed a sudden drop off.
But above he loses time in two points of the race, first is two laps succession, and then the major drop off at the end after the lorenzo pass.
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Ah ..... Normally, I don't like it when rider's injuries get dismissed (even though I know that sometimes things get exaggerated when it suits peoples needs). But that lap chart really does seem hard to square with the bad shoulder story. I'm still going to give Pedrosa the benefit of the doubt and take his word at face value though, just out of principle. But for his sake, I hope you're right, might just be the end of his title aspirations otherwise.
Umm ...... he's on the Winningest bike in the 800cc era ........
Well it was ........ until now
But of his 12 fastest laps, 11 where in first 12 laps (that is including the first lap) which tells me, there is a very drastic drop off in pace. Even when Lorenzo closed up on him, his pace was nowhere near what he exhibited in first 12 laps.
Yeah i agree its always been his achilles heel....never knew if it was stamina, mental or physical.
Although we cannot discount his shoulder complaint as he was doing decent 1:55 lap times until around lap ten, then from that point until the end he was around 0.5-0.6 slower. Which, funnily enough, is about what rossi said he was losing due to his shoulder.
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Norah Head
Gotcha!!
It is a nasty flaw, in the Boppers reasoning isn't it
TBH i just didnt, and still dont know wtf your on about mate....
Didnt know if it was some kind of joke, or if you are being serious?
If your serious about the duc being "the winingest bike of the 800cc era" then i dont know what your basing it off.
My point is that you cannot use stoners debut season as a fair comparison to rossi's debut season, as there were other factors in duactis favour which they currently cannot claim to exploit. For example 20 bhp and (at the seasons start)superb....... or rather, superior tyres.
Hope that ends our exchange
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Norah Head
Oh .... I'm sorry ...... I thought you were a human .....
Well I had better fill you in by prompting a bit of research for you:
Question 1: Who has won the most races in the 800cc era?
Question 2: What bike was the person in Q1. riding?
if you still can't get the answers, let me know because I can then attempt to help you use a thing we humans call "written language" .......... failing that ....... we can read a fairytale for you
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