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motoGP 2011 Rd 1 Qatar

BarryMachine said:
Oh .... I'm sorry ...... I thought you were a human .....



Well I had better fill you in by prompting a bit of research for you:



Question 1: Who has won the most races in the 800cc era?



Question 2: What bike was the person in Q1. riding?







if you still can't get the answers, let me know because I can then attempt to help you use a thing we humans call "written language" .......... failing that ....... we can read a fairytale for you
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10 wins of which were in what season......oh yyyyyyeah!!!



As such see my previous post re 2007 compared to 2011.....you cannot just take what i am saying in the context it is meant can you, you need to lighten up and take onboard facts which you seem to thrive off. What you then posted only serves to enhance my original point.......and you call me the ....... lol
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How many race wins in 2009/2010.....hmmm rather a different story, and one which nuthuggers like you will conveniently sidestep to make ducati/rossi's start of 2011 look worse than it actually is.



Lets not go down this path eh?



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In actual fact Ducati 2010 vs 2011 after round one in points =
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L8Braker said:
I"ll have to go back and watch the race on DVR, but the moment where Rossi almost bins it is here....is his arm rubbing against Spies tire?



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Damn, there we go again with the dirty riding. Rossi is obviously trying to slow down Spies by leaning on his rear tire. What a ....!
 
I had a funny thought during the race. When i saw stoner in the lead with danny following him it reminded me of the Doohan / Criv days. I thought "i wonder how long it is before the stoner fans cry dani is following stoner" after all he is the new Doohan !
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Good start

WD Stona

Jorge better than i expected

Dani ok



Sic.Pie.Dovi. will improve

Duck are ...... simple



HRC

Dovi the 3rd rider all ready thrown under the bus on getting any upgrades

Dani will be ok till mid season then he gets the bus

Stona will get it all because Onda will says its all the bike

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Renjith said:
But of his 12 fastest laps, 11 where in first 12 laps (that is including the first lap) which tells me, there is a very drastic drop off in pace. Even when Lorenzo closed up on him, his pace was nowhere near what he exhibited in first 12 laps.
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Thats not unusual for a rider to be his fastest when the tires are fresh. Anyone know if Perdo ran Hards or softs. Some guys are faster on a low fuel load, some guys are faster on new tires
 
All ran extra hard front, hard rear. Including Elias who you might think would go as soft as he could get given his apparent problem getting them up to temp.



Regarding Dani's pace early, remember that these tyres continue to perform and you would would think that overall handling will just get better as fuel load decreases. I for one don't doubt him. He does not have a history of bullshitting. He did not appear physically well after the race. How about we take his word for it?



IMO the lap times support that he has a problem.



Remember how nasty it got when Stoner had problems? He too appeared genuinely in trouble and said there was a problem. Got it identified (ultimately) and came back to dominate the tail end of the season. I hope it gets sorted.
 
Keshav said:
It's probably a little of both. Stress can exacerbate any injury or illness and racing is a lot more stressful than practice.

The shoulder issue could also be triggered by accumulative aggravation of the injury over several days of practice.

Or he's just stressed out from knowing Stoner's going to rule the roost.
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BTW - where the hell are Jum, Curve, Frosty, Roo et al???
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I thought he did superb at quatar considering he hasn't done this good before. I'm telling you guys he's gonna be scary fast on the tracks he's good at and there are a few. He's gonna be ahead of Lorenzo in the championship I think. Well will see next week.
 
Right, let's stir the pot a little.



Lot's of people said that Quatar was a real Ducati track prior to this race. So if that's true....

what will happen on the real Honda tracks?
 
povol said:
Danis lap times show no 1.3 to 1.4 loss of time on his part in one lap, Stoner just wicked it up a notch , Danis lap chart dont jive with the shoulder excuse. It looks like he was fast, got passed, pouted for a couple of laps , realized Lorenzo was coming and picked it back up. Got passed by Lorenzo and pouted some more, then ran the last lap 7\10ths faster than the previous lap



3rd Dani PEDROSA Repsol Honda Team SPA

1 2'04.310 32.128 30.746 29.080 32.356 189.3

2 1'56.216 25.574 30.254 28.589 31.799 312.8

3 1'55.899 25.290 30.286 28.515 31.808 323.4

4 1'55.392 25.223 30.063 28.346 31.760 322.6

5 1'55.866 25.175 30.179 28.549 31.963 324.0

6 1'55.655 25.231 29.947 28.567 31.910 324.3

7 1'55.721 25.236 30.017 28.549 31.919 321.0

8 1'55.724 25.279 30.048 28.507 31.890 320.7

9 1'56.212 25.131 30.222 28.935 31.924 320.0

10 1'55.988 25.226 30.148 28.656 31.958 321.5

11 1'56.024 25.243 30.121 28.667 31.993 321.6

12 1'56.037 25.206 30.058 28.851 31.922 321.0

13 1'56.472 25.277 30.441 28.800 31.954 321.6

14 1'56.475 25.285 30.575 28.698 31.917 323.7

15 1'56.087 25.231 30.409 28.528 31.919 323.5

16 1'56.241 25.483 30.203 28.667 31.888 321.2

17 1'56.346 25.234 30.368 28.763 31.981 323.7

18 1'56.546 25.271 30.322 28.759 32.194 322.2

19 1'56.652 25.424 30.545 28.700 31.983 322.9

20 1'56.585 25.411 30.353 28.776 32.045 324.8

21 1'56.930 25.405 30.369 29.188 31.968 322.1

22 1'56.242 25.356 30.356 28.705 31.825 322.9
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Great! So doesn't all this just tell you he obviously was having problems. Maybe we should believe you instead. :-/
 
povol said:
The first drop off was immediately after Stoner passed him. Its like he loses focus when he gets passed and gives up for a couple of laps
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This is Pedrosa's MO. That is why it is a mental toughness deficiency.



The shoulder may have been sore but it is only because he is not mentally tough enough that it became a problem.
 
Mental Anarchist said:
This is Pedrosa's MO. That is why it is a mental toughness deficiency.



The shoulder may have been sore but it is only because he is not mentally tough enough that it became a problem.
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i'm no pedrosa fan but this "mentally weak" line is ridiculous..



he shattered both ankles (at PI if i remember correctly) when on 125s and then won the very first 250 race he entered whilst still nursing those injuries.

he can get back on a motogp bike after one tried to kill him at motegi by having the throttle stick open. mechanical faliures will damage confidence which all riders need to be able to do what they do.he led stoner at qatar for half the race, not a feat that anyone else could manage this year. if thats mentally weak, then what is mentally tough?



maybe he is struggling with shoulder issues? if casey can have scaphoid trouble and rossi can have shoulder problems, why cant the brittle midget be hampered by a physical condition too? i'm inclined to believe him, why not?



as for the race, its a good sign that this season is going to be one of those classic seasons, i just hope it pans out that way..
 
I think many of you are a bit unforgiving when it comed to riders injuries.



I am sure Rossis shoulder is a real handicap and may never recover fully. Ask Neil Hodgson about shoulders.



I think Danis injury was real because Stoner said he decided to overtake him when he saw him struggle. ie. Pedrosas pace started to slow before the pass. Sure, it dropped more later- a sense of deflation after being passed is only natural.



Interesting article in Oz



http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsp...yer-but-theres-work-to-do-20110321-1c3uf.html





'When I saw Dani starting to have problems, I attacked strongly. I overtook him and took the lead,'' Stoner said. ''After that I just tried to control the race.''
 
L8Braker said:
I"ll have to go back and watch the race on DVR, but the moment where Rossi almost bins it is here....is his arm rubbing against Spies tire?



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Not impossible - but you need to bare in mind this is shot with a very long lens which compresses things dramatically

making seem much closer than they are.
 
BigAl said:
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i'm no pedrosa fan but this "mentally weak" line is ridiculous..



he shattered both ankles (at PI if i remember correctly) when on 125s and then won the very first 250 race he entered whilst still nursing those injuries.

he can get back on a motogp bike after one tried to kill him at motegi by having the throttle stick open. mechanical faliures will damage confidence which all riders need to be able to do what they do.he led stoner at qatar for half the race, not a feat that anyone else could manage this year. if thats mentally weak, then what is mentally tough?



maybe he is struggling with shoulder issues? if casey can have scaphoid trouble and rossi can have shoulder problems, why cant the brittle midget be hampered by a physical condition too? i'm inclined to believe him, why not?



as for the race, its a good sign that this season is going to be one of those classic seasons, i just hope it pans out that way..
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+1
 
stiefel said:
Right, let's stir the pot a little.



Lot's of people said that Quatar was a real Ducati track prior to this race. So if that's true....

what will happen on the real Honda tracks?
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Apparently it's not a Ducati track. It's a Stoner track.
 

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