See - I knew it wouldn't be long until someone tried to flame the discussion.
Blatant trolling & fishing for a bite. Can't we just discuss the race without this type of my favourite rider is better than your favourite rider crap.
Honestly it's like friggin pre school in here sometimes.
its NOT FLAMING. it’s a fact…we had vals injury excuses and now we get danis injury excuses…come-on guys and next we will get jorges excuses and it goes on and on…lets concentrate on the facts im not a stoner bopper but I look at the past when stoner was stressed and he didn’t do well physically and because of the duke and everybody knocked him and its time that we face reality …stoner is a better faster rider than val and Jorge and dani and its because je has the right equipment now…nothing more and nothing less…no excuses
Great ride by Casey, he really is the master here and the honda is a sorted bike. HRC must really see a long awaited wc is in their grasp.
Good ride by Lorenzo but not sure why he was so animatedly happy.
Dani being Dani, starts strong but fades once he is past.
Not a bad ride by Rossi if you take into account the 0.5 secs a lap lost due to injury, without that he would have been in 4th.
Good ride by Lorenzo but not sure why he was so animatedly happy.
Dani being Dani, starts strong but fades once he is past.
Not a bad ride by Rossi if you take into account the 0.5 secs a lap lost due to injury, without that he would have been in 4th.
its doesn’t matter where im from but ive been observing this forum for a very long time and there are lots of posts here that are flaming and its about time that we talked about ability and not personalities injuries excuses etc etc (if youtr injured don’t race and please we don’t want excuses) lets talk about the racing and not the personalities or their excuses why, why not or could or if’s and that is all im concerned about ok i am an aussie and i do like stoner but I also like val and jorge and dani and i admire all the riders and want them to do well…but I call a spade a spade….ok I come from sydney australia and im proud of being an australian that Australians have been such a big part of motogp racing and they have done so well and some have become legends of the sport
If you remove all the 'ifs and buts' then all that is left is the statistics. You wouldn't want to argue against Rossi's abilities based just on statistics. Would you?
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Good win by stoner, I think hes starting to mature staying in the mix at the pointy end & then making a move.
After reading the thread the fuel theory does seem probable.
I thought Dani,s shoulder was better? Im sure I read somewhere he looking forward to starting the season fully fit?
Lorenzo did a much better job than I would have liked but thats racing. Congrats on second to him job well done.
Dovi & Simo great show from both. Simo using his usual aggressive style & then getting a taste back off Dovi was entertaining. I think were gonna be treated to some great battles between these two to begin with & then later on with the front runners.
Spies well a really bad start sort of fluffed it for him & been stuck behind Rossi didn,t help his cause. Im sure theres better to come from him & beating his team mate aint impossible when he gets going properly.
Rossi well hes done the best with what hes got & what his body will allow. Pretty respectable position to finish in all things considered.
Colin & Nicky sort of where I,d expect them to be mid pack but enjoyed what we saw of Nickys late dash even if it did mean him going past Cal.
Aoyama finished further ahead than I gave him credit for so I suppose a well done that man is due.
Cal ah Cal I must say after quallie I was expecting a lot more than Cal could give in reality (but Im blaming that on passion & me been a brit )
Barbera the towman! dont like him dont know why I just dont.
Abraham well done son you made it to the end & points to boot!
Right Elias WTF? didn,t see that one coming, thats wot makes it exciting I suppose.
And that just leaves Randy & Cappi so come on folks lets be honest! Did anyone out there in MotoGP land expect either of them to finish! I didn,t!
Thats my thoughts on the first race of 2011 which looks like we could get some mighty fine racing if that was anything to go by.
After reading the thread the fuel theory does seem probable.
I thought Dani,s shoulder was better? Im sure I read somewhere he looking forward to starting the season fully fit?
Lorenzo did a much better job than I would have liked but thats racing. Congrats on second to him job well done.
Dovi & Simo great show from both. Simo using his usual aggressive style & then getting a taste back off Dovi was entertaining. I think were gonna be treated to some great battles between these two to begin with & then later on with the front runners.
Spies well a really bad start sort of fluffed it for him & been stuck behind Rossi didn,t help his cause. Im sure theres better to come from him & beating his team mate aint impossible when he gets going properly.
Rossi well hes done the best with what hes got & what his body will allow. Pretty respectable position to finish in all things considered.
Colin & Nicky sort of where I,d expect them to be mid pack but enjoyed what we saw of Nickys late dash even if it did mean him going past Cal.
Aoyama finished further ahead than I gave him credit for so I suppose a well done that man is due.
Cal ah Cal I must say after quallie I was expecting a lot more than Cal could give in reality (but Im blaming that on passion & me been a brit )
Barbera the towman! dont like him dont know why I just dont.
Abraham well done son you made it to the end & points to boot!
Right Elias WTF? didn,t see that one coming, thats wot makes it exciting I suppose.
And that just leaves Randy & Cappi so come on folks lets be honest! Did anyone out there in MotoGP land expect either of them to finish! I didn,t!
Thats my thoughts on the first race of 2011 which looks like we could get some mighty fine racing if that was anything to go by.
im not saying that! or trying to compare statistics with rossi and stoner i want to concentrate on the current facts and what is happening now 'Renjith' not excuses or if’s and but’s that is all that im saying
Currently, there is no doubt Stoner is riding much better than Rossi (for that you need to just look at the Championship points). But then you would have to accept that the person who scored highest in the chamionship was the best rider that year. The problem arises, when people don't want to accept that for certain years based on their bias.
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I do find it odd that Dani went thru 3 tests, running 40-50 laps a day with zero mention of the shoulder. Excited to start the season healthy, very fast,bike is great. Then comes race day, everything is fine until his teammate blitzkriegs his ... and boom, out of nowhere his shoulder problem arises. As hard as he has tried this year, upping his performance to stick with Stoner, is it possible he broke. Think about it, every time he set a new personal standard, Stoner was there to raise the bar. No matter what he did, Stoner immediately crushed it.Then comes the race and its a replay of testing. Dani responds, Stoner ups it. Did Dani break and is using the shoulder as a crutch. Its not like he can admit that the chase is futile and he has excepted his fate. The big question is, did he break at for the Qatar race, or is he broke for the season. Or maybe the shoulder unexpectedly flared up, with Pedro, you have to wonder.
It is Dani's mentality ...when thing doesn't go his way,suddenly everything lost.. and yes..i think his shoulder was really hurt in race yesterday (no sarcasm here)
remember, mind controls everything.
and that's why HRC hire Stoner,they desperately need more tougher guy
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That really does make sense. HB has always been a wildman - with no real race plan. He'll never be mature enough to go slow in
all the right places ala Rossi.
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Pomona NY
It's probably a little of both. Stress can exacerbate any injury or illness and racing is a lot more stressful than practice.
The shoulder issue could also be triggered by accumulative aggravation of the injury over several days of practice.
Or he's just stressed out from knowing Stoner's going to rule the roost.
BTW - where the hell are Jum, Curve, Frosty, Roo et al???
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The 'problem' is that life is quite a bit more complicated than you seem to think it is. The discussion of those pesky 'if' and 'buts,' is where real understanding can be found. If, on the other hand, if you are content to count trophies, don't let me stop you.
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Southern Aridzona - Hell's doorstep.
It's probably a little of both. Stress can exacerbate any injury or illness and racing is a lot more stressful than practice.
The shoulder issue could also be triggered by accumulative aggravation of the injury over several days of practice.
Or he's just stressed out from knowing Stoner's going to rule the roost.
BTW - where the hell are Jum, Curve, Frosty, Roo et al???
That sounds about right. A messed up arm + stress = meltdown.
I read somewhere that he had a few twinges before the race, but didn't think too much about it. Apparently the arm still flares up from time to time. He was sweating and pale from the pain by the end of the race, so I have little doubt it hurt like hell. Got to give the little bugger credit for not moaning about it at every press conference. (If Pedrosa wound divest himself of Sith Lord Puig, I think I'd actually become a mild fan.) Also, it's not the sort of condition you want to advertise. If the opposition knows you're likely to fade late race, it makes race strategy much easier to plan.
Assuming this issue continues for a while, I'm thinking his best race plan will be to push as hard as possible in the early race. Burn he gas, burn the tires, pull out as big a lead as possible. Then try not to loose too much in the last 8 laps. What else can he do?
Just to bury your entire flame....you should wikipedia the 2007 ducati. What you are comparing is apples to oranges.
That along with even a slightly sore shoulder(probably around the last 10 laps of races) is easily worth 16 secs imo.
So what it excused him when he didnt have the right equipment......nore more no less lol. If so then by your own judgement vale currently doesnt have the right equipment? Hang on a minute you said no excuses
Seriously mate.....we get it ^^
