Mir signs pre-contract for Honda

Keshav · May 22, 2018

Iamapony said:
My instincts say that Mir will be a Honda mistake, like Miller, or over rated like Vinales.

Perhaps. There hasn't really been a superior choice with Zarco and Dovi out of the picture. And who knows? He might surprise everybody. I'd love to know who at Repsol chose him. Poochey has been pretty good at picking riders over the years.

Iamapony · May 22, 2018

Hmmm. Well, If BradB goes to Moto2, then I don't see why JoanM should skip Moto2. Binder is Better. I thought everyone learned the lesson with Miller and how that screwed-up that kid's career, and almost crippled him for life.

MotoGP is WAY TOO FAR a leap from Moto3. You have stupid arguments at track-day level, when 250s say they are faster in the middle of the corner, meanwhile liter bikes still lap 8 seconds faster. Riding a MotoGP bike is Mars compared to Venus Moto3.

JPSLotus · May 22, 2018

Iamapony said:
Hmmm. Well, If BradB goes to Moto2, then I don't see why JoanM should skip Moto2. Binder is Better. I thought everyone learned the lesson with Miller and how that screwed-up that kid's career, and almost crippled him for life.

MotoGP is WAY TOO FAR a leap from Moto3. You have stupid arguments at track-day level, when 250s say they are faster in the middle of the corner, meanwhile liter bikes still lap 8 seconds faster. Riding a MotoGP bike is Mars compared to Venus Moto3.

Mir is in Moto 2 and just podiumed this weekend. He's also currently ahead of Binder in the standings.

Iamapony · May 22, 2018

JPSLotus said:
Mir is in Moto 2 and just podiumed this weekend. He's also currently ahead of Binder in the standings.

Well, good. Then I have had too much to smoke or drink and will skip posting for the next hour or so.
ROFL
You sure are quick to point out mistakes, aren't you?
ROFL
I am not sure either of them have demonstrated they should move up. And Mir just showed-up. Signing a GP contract is premature in my opinion. I don't think Rins demonstrated that he belongs in MotoGP, either. But, I am really, really picky.

synn · May 22, 2018

As I mentioned before, Mir trains with litrebikes which, while nowhere as fast as motogp bikes, are faster than Moto2 bikes and give him the sense of weight one can expect in MotoGP.

He has also adapted to Moto2 way quicker than BradB and all the rest of the recent Moto3 recruits.

But the main push for this is coming from his management. Since Motogp contracts are normally for 2 years, if he doesn’t sign now, he has to ride in Moto2 for 3 years and they think it’s too long.

RCV600RR · May 22, 2018

Synn - any vids of Mir on the litrebikes? It's always cool to watch them on proddy bikes.

synn · May 22, 2018

Couldn’t find any, just news reports on the same.
But yes, I love watching racers ride the hell out of production machines.

pyeman · May 22, 2018

Holypuck said:
I'm not really saying Pedrosa is a phenom, I'm only saying he is a really, really good rider who IMHO gets flak too often. He is penalized by his body (1.58m...I was taller than that when I was 11 y/o and I ain't a big dude) and by the many injuries he sustained. I also reckon he was quite unlucky. Yes, he never delivered a premier class title but I still think he's had one heck of a career.

Marquez is probably the most talented rider to ever turn his leg over a motorcycle, at least in Grand Prix racing, so I wouldn't compare the two too much.

Whilst i agree with you and McZee in post #23 i still think Pedrosa has been incredibly fortunate to stay on that bike for 13 straight seasons without delivering at least one title,i can't think of any other rider who would be given that long on a top bike where excuses are continually made for him about his lack of bodyweight and being unsuited for the class because of it..

McZee · May 22, 2018

RCV600RR said:
any vids of Mir on the litrebikes? It's always cool to watch them on proddy bikes.

Here you go, mate. Knee down and everything, although I think it's a bit more than a litre bike......

Iamapony · May 23, 2018

synn said:
As I mentioned before, Mir trains with litrebikes which, while nowhere as fast as motogp bikes, are faster than Moto2 bikes and give him the sense of weight one can expect in MotoGP.

He has also adapted to Moto2 way quicker than BradB and all the rest of the recent Moto3 recruits.

But the main push for this is coming from his management. Since Motogp contracts are normally for 2 years, if he doesn’t sign now, he has to ride in Moto2 for 3 years and they think it’s too long.

This guy has one third place and is seventh in the standings, and some of you think he is ready for MotoGP? That's not realistic. Binder is ninth and Mir is seventh. Big deal.

How do we know more of these people don't ride liter bikes? While I think that it is nice that he rides a bigger bike, it is not racing a MotoGP bike. WSBK riders take time to adjust to MotoGP bikes. Look at all the wildcard failures over the years. Moto2 may prepare riders for MotoGP, Moto3 does not. I would want to see how he handles this year before signing him. Of course, his agent wants him signed - NOW. What the heck, it ain't his money, nor his body.

By-the-way, I did a track day with Stefan Bradl at Laguna Seca before his first ride there in MotoGP. He was riding a Fireblade, of course. So was I. He finished his career on a liter bike (Fireblade). I am not sure what good it did him.

BarryMachine · May 23, 2018

I dont get this "pre contract" thing? WTF use is that?

Iamapony · May 23, 2018

It keeps him from signing with someone else. It is like how Honda screwed with Miller, because these kids and their representatives can't wait and can't see the bigger picture. It could have ended Miller's career because of injury. My 2 cents.

synn · May 23, 2018

Iamapony said:
This guy has one third place and is seventh in the standings, and some of you think he is ready for MotoGP? That's not realistic. Binder is ninth and Mir is seventh. Big deal.

How do we know more of these people don't ride liter bikes? While I think that it is nice that he rides a bigger bike, it is not racing a MotoGP bike. WSBK riders take time to adjust to MotoGP bikes. Look at all the wildcard failures over the years. Moto2 may prepare riders for MotoGP, Moto3 does not. I would want to see how he handles this year before signing him. Of course, his agent wants him signed - NOW. What the heck, it ain't his money, nor his body.

By-the-way, I did a track day with Stefan Bradl at Laguna Seca before his first ride there in MotoGP. He was riding a Fireblade, of course. So was I. He finished his career on a liter bike (Fireblade). I am not sure what good it did him.

The key point is that it took Brad Binder a year on a Moto2 bike before getting somewhat comfortable with it, same story with Bagnaia, Navarro is still not there and Fenati is learning his way around it now, but Mir, in 5 races already looks more comfortable than them.

Nice job riding with Bradl. I am a fan of his. Good thing is, he gets a couple of wild cards on the RCV this year.

michaelm · May 23, 2018

Iamapony said:
It keeps him from signing with someone else. It is like how Honda screwed with Miller, because these kids and their representatives can't wait and can't see the bigger picture. It could have ended Miller's career because of injury. My 2 cents.

Miller certainly got very little support from Honda so I am not sure why they signed him; some opined at the start it was to keep him away from other marques, although despite being a partisan Aussie I don’t think he has shown the sort of talent even now to warrant such treatment.

He looks like he has a chance to prosper with Ducati while still quite young, so I am not sure skipping moto 2 has necessarily hampered him much long term, although he may have not crashed as much and had less injuries as you say.

michaelm · May 23, 2018

Iamapony said:
This guy has one third place and is seventh in the standings, and some of you think he is ready for MotoGP? That's not realistic. Binder is ninth and Mir is seventh. Big deal.

How do we know more of these people don't ride liter bikes? While I think that it is nice that he rides a bigger bike, it is not racing a MotoGP bike. WSBK riders take time to adjust to MotoGP bikes. Look at all the wildcard failures over the years. Moto2 may prepare riders for MotoGP, Moto3 does not. I would want to see how he handles this year before signing him. Of course, his agent wants him signed - NOW. What the heck, it ain't his money, nor his body.

By-the-way, I did a track day with Stefan Bradl at Laguna Seca before his first ride there in MotoGP. He was riding a Fireblade, of course. So was I. He finished his career on a liter bike (Fireblade). I am not sure what good it did him.

I haven’t watched much moto 2 this year, but agree with you that his record doesn’t shout that he should immediately go to be MM’s team-mate.

The thing is that MM, an absolute prodigy from the start and already one of the greatest gp riders ever spent 2 years in moto 2 himself.

Theo · May 23, 2018

Iamapony said:
My instincts say that Mir will be a Honda mistake, like Miller, or over rated like Vinales.

Vinales became a mistake because of Rossi, can't have a new kid on the block making the old master look 2nd rate now can we.

evo9 · May 23, 2018

Theo said:
Vinales became a mistake because of Rossi, can't have a new kid on the block making the old master look 2nd rate now can we.

Didn't he says Vinales doesn't know the yamaha? As referring he does not know what it should be.

p4p1 · May 23, 2018

I think Vinales' problem is that while he can be faster than Rossi he can't be as consistent. Even on the Suzuki his results were up and down. While we can't know for sure if he would've won the championship or not without the tyre and chassis changes I believe it was far from a sure thing(hind sight being 20/20 and all) as it's likely he would've lost bucket loads of points in wet and mixed races as well as races that just didn't suit his preferred version of the m1.

Theo · May 23, 2018

p4p1 said:
I think Vinales' problem is that while he can be faster than Rossi he can't be as consistent. Even on the Suzuki his results were up and down. While we can't know for sure if he would've won the championship or not without the tyre and chassis changes I believe it was far from a sure thing(hind sight being 20/20 and all) as it's likely he would've lost bucket loads of points in wet and mixed races as well as races that just didn't suit his preferred version of the m1.

I think he's better than Rossi now, but the master wants his fellow yamaha riders to get a crock of .....
IMO Rossi has turned into a vitriolic and slimy ...., who deserves the sack.

RCV600RR · May 23, 2018

p4p1 said:
I think Vinales' problem is that while he can be faster than Rossi he can't be as consistent. Even on the Suzuki his results were up and down. While we can't know for sure if he would've won the championship or not without the tyre and chassis changes I believe it was far from a sure thing(hind sight being 20/20 and all) as it's likely he would've lost bucket loads of points in wet and mixed races as well as races that just didn't suit his preferred version of the m1.

Lorenzo was the same (at least post-Assen 2013).

When everything lined up, he was faster than Rossi. However, his off days were lower than Rossi's. More simply put, his highs were higher but his lows were lower.

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