LCR obviously received some uprated parts in the summer break because prior to it he Cal scored 40 points and 1 podium with 1 non points finish and 4 DNF's, since the break he scored 101 points, 2 wins, 1 second place, 1 pole position, all points finishes and no DNF's.
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I know I'll get flamed for saying this but I don't mind Cal, I thought he showed a lot of promise when he was on the Tech3 bike. Ducati was a real disaster for him though.
I remember when Miller ...... up and binned it into him on one of the opening laps at Silverstone. The press and media where coming at Cal firing loaded questions trying to get him carry on like a pork chop but he wouldn't have a bar of it. I remember listening to what he said and thinking he sounded like he was being a pretty decent bloke about it all. I know many other riders who would have been very quick to get up on their high horse about it.
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Out of Nowhere
To be fair, they are best mates. I have often speculated about the salvo of abuse that would have been fired at say Barbera or Petrucci had they attempted a similarly brain dead pass.
Marc would have a much harder time on Jacks bike. Jack was getting burned down the main straight losing three positions on the straight. He dropped back to 14th, fought his way back to 8th only to get passed by two on the final straight run to finish line. I don't know exactly what spec Jacks bike is but he seems to go alright in the wet (full wet).
Ducati satellite bikes for next year are 2015 through to 2017 spec. Bautista is getting 2016 spec bike. Karel Abraham is joining Bautista at Aspar (replacing Hernandez) on a 2015 spec bike. Of course i wouldn't expect Abraham to do much with a factory bike let alone a 2015 hand me down.
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NJ
Two great articles.
Mat Oxley's piece: Cal joins the Pommie pantheon | Motor Sport Magazine
He calls out the fans who cheered MM crashing with this doozy...
And then he makes this statement:
I've given Oxley a lot of ...., but this is genuinely good, and important stuff that he said. More so with the crashing as the people cheering MM crashing at turn 4 are not fans by any stretch of the imagination. ....... deplorable is the only phrase that sums up who, and what they are.
Kropo's piece is up as well:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/10/24/2016_phillip_island_sunday_round_up_what.html
I do like his discussion about alien riders...especially since I've been particularly vocal on the subject as of late. Interesting read otherwise though, in particular the bit where Crutchlow talks about not wanting to ride for the factory Honda team, and about not getting enough support from HRC. This should also put to rest the assertions in this topic from a few that Cal is getting an identical factory bike. Getting an identical factory bike includes getting the proper support from the factory. A lot of people would do well to remember this.
Mat Oxley's piece: Cal joins the Pommie pantheon | Motor Sport Magazine
He calls out the fans who cheered MM crashing with this doozy...
And then he makes this statement:
I've given Oxley a lot of ...., but this is genuinely good, and important stuff that he said. More so with the crashing as the people cheering MM crashing at turn 4 are not fans by any stretch of the imagination. ....... deplorable is the only phrase that sums up who, and what they are.
Kropo's piece is up as well:
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/10/24/2016_phillip_island_sunday_round_up_what.html
I do like his discussion about alien riders...especially since I've been particularly vocal on the subject as of late. Interesting read otherwise though, in particular the bit where Crutchlow talks about not wanting to ride for the factory Honda team, and about not getting enough support from HRC. This should also put to rest the assertions in this topic from a few that Cal is getting an identical factory bike. Getting an identical factory bike includes getting the proper support from the factory. A lot of people would do well to remember this.
Joined Sep 2016
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Queensland Australia
Good article, you've really got to question the mental capacity of somebody that cheers at a rider crashing and getting hurt. I'm sure many of these fuckwits also ride motorcycles themselves and know the very real risks of the sport better than most which makes it all that more disgusting ..... karma can be a ....., life will sort them out in the end.
Maybe oxley is finally seeing the light, and clearly reading this forum!
Cal an alien! Get real. He looks like he is from another planet that's it
Yes a satellite bike and factory bike very different not just in their parts but in the back of house support. To think the lcr is like repsol team is stupid
Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
Good article, you've really got to question the mental capacity of somebody that cheers at a rider crashing and getting hurt. I'm sure many of these fuckwits also ride motorcycles themselves and know the very real risks of the sport better than most which makes it all that more disgusting ..... karma can be a ....., life will sort them out in the end.
It goes back to the point that while they may be seeing top speeds in excess of 200MPH on a circuit like Phillip Island, crashing even at relatively "low speeds" like 40-60MPH is dangerous. Actually, the question I would pose for any of them is, would you be okay with lowsiding at 40MPH on the street? I don't give a .... if you're wearing full race leathers with airbags. Going down at that speed on the street is a possible fatality. Certainly the runoff areas on the track help minimize some risk, but it's hardly risk-free, especially as seen with the way Marc's RCV pirouetted through the air. I always have concerns about physics taking over and propelling the bike in such a way it could land on a rider.
One can only hope he's read some stuff here!
Even next year when either Redding or Petrucci get ahold of the GP17, I don't see the support being equal to what the factory will give JL and Dovi's Desmos.
Joined Sep 2016
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Queensland Australia
Spot on, just look at Simoncelli's accident as to what can happen in a low side when things go horribly wrong and physics don't play out in the riders favour. Although at high speed Luis Salom's accident demonstrates the dangers of the bike hitting the rider.
Bikes don't even need to be going fast to cause damage either, a motorcycle accelerating under gravity from a 4 metres height will be travelling at just over 30kph when landing on the rider. This isn't a overly fast speed but the potential point loading of a random sharp edge of 160kg motorcycle travelling at 30kph and impacting the rider in the wrong way could quite easily kill him.
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Ljubljana
The problem is most people don't have the feeling that this is real. It's 2016 and kids today see everything as a spectator's sport. They don't see riders as humans. A race without crashes is boring. No matter the sport...motogp, f1, dtm, nascar....even ski jumping.
This year in Brno when Luethi crashed just a few meters from where we were standing, 30% of people were creepily excited.
And then something happenes like Sic, Salom, Bianchi, and people say it was their decision to race, this is their job.
Oxley is saying pretty much what we on the "Rossi hater's" forum have been called Rossi haters for saying then.
I personally have few other problems with him, fully acknowledge his record, and believe he has had no more advantages than usually accrue to the top rider as J4rn0 was wont to say.
It is the manipulation of his fans etc against other riders, and the attitude of the fringe element among his fans to other riders, to which I mainly object. As I also have said I now think he genuinely believes his conspiracy theory, irrational as even the likes of Oxley now seem to consider it.
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Texas
The hypocrisy on this forum is strong. The same forum that takes bets on Crutchlow crashing out of races has an issue with some fans that cheered MM's crash? The same forum member that hoped Dovi's leg was broken after Pedrosa's bike t-boned him at COTA because maybe Stoner would be called up to ride, now claims crash-cheering fans are "....... deplorable ". It was also members of this forum that were calling for MM to be "out for blood" now that the championship is decided. Those members were not the slightest bit concerned about the dangers of the sport or Simoncelli, Salom, and Kato. You can all climb down off your high horse now.
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Nothing changed much around here, I was happy to hear Valentino praise Cal's performance (I guess it surprised many here aswell)
The weekend ended on a good note, Marquez crash aside, it would of been interesting to see the top 3 battle as Cal seemed to be faster than Marc and with Rossi closing in within 4 sec, it could of been a good old war for #2 between the GOAT and the next in line to be the GOAT (if Cal passed Marquez)
The weekend ended on a good note, Marquez crash aside, it would of been interesting to see the top 3 battle as Cal seemed to be faster than Marc and with Rossi closing in within 4 sec, it could of been a good old war for #2 between the GOAT and the next in line to be the GOAT (if Cal passed Marquez)
Marquez almost always lowsides. The one person in the crowd cheering could see he would be alright. If he got launched or didn't run off the circuit I don't think he would be cheering.
I'm not a MM fan but worried for him when he had a lowside in practice (Japan I think) where he and his bike came a to dead stop in the middle of the corner.
I'm not a MM fan but worried for him when he had a lowside in practice (Japan I think) where he and his bike came a to dead stop in the middle of the corner.
Joined Aug 2016
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Ljubljana
I wouldn't be so sure. I've seen people cheering and laughing after JL's crashes. I've seen it in Sachsenring 2013 and in Qatar 2014.
I'm ashamed to know some people (adults...from bike club) who do the same thing from the couch (they also turn off the TV if beloved self proclaimed doctor slides out of the race).
None of those people were me, and it is to my post you seem to be responding.
We had a prolonged discussion about the booing and most argued along the same lines as Oxley. If individual posters have been inconsistent then they have been invonsistent.
I think MM should continue to ride the way he had been riding. The tactics he adopted at PI 2015 btw were the only ones which have seen him finish in a point scoring position, let alone win. The way many Rossi fans felt he should have/was obliged to ride in that race led to him crashing out this year, as he did in his totally dominant year in 2014.
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You make a point, but those are the actions of individuals, blaming the forum is like blaming the internet for child .....
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Texas
I wasn't referring to you.
The individuals I'm referring to know who they are.
