Michelin® Australian Motorcycle GP 2016 Nicky Hayden extravaganza with spoilers

moto vudu said:

The hypocrisy on this forum is strong. The same forum that takes bets on Crutchlow crashing out of races has an issue with some fans that cheered MM's crash? The same forum member that hoped Dovi's leg was broken after Pedrosa's bike t-boned him at COTA because maybe Stoner would be called up to ride, now claims crash-cheering fans are "....... deplorable ". It was also members of this forum that were calling for MM to be "out for blood" now that the championship is decided. Those members were not the slightest bit concerned about the dangers of the sport or Simoncelli, Salom, and Kato. You can all climb down off your high horse now.

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MV, I actually do not disagree with what you posted here (so you may need to sit down to recover from that agreement ) but like others, to tarnish the forum as a whole for the actions of a small few is akin to people labelling ALL of Valentino's fans 'braindead morons' for the few that cheered the fallen rider (as opposed to those that cheered the leader of the race only to raise their hands in a 'damn f*ck' manner of exasperation when he then fell in front of them).

This place like all has extremes and then it has the number who tend to take a middle ground in terms of expressing their views and whilst at times the extremes may disgust or disappoint with what they say, without them the forum would be a modicum of middle ground meanderings.

That said, if they constantly offend just block or choose as others have and continue to do, ignore those comments that are at the extreme end of the scale

APEX said:

Nothing changed much around here, I was happy to hear Valentino praise Cal's performance (I guess it surprised many here aswell)

The weekend ended on a good note, Marquez crash aside, it would of been interesting to see the top 3 battle as Cal seemed to be faster than Marc and with Rossi closing in within 4 sec, it could of been a good old war for #2 between the GOAT and the next in line to be the GOAT (if Cal passed Marquez)

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Not at all (and this will likely be labelled Rossi hating but I say that purely as for Valentino, Cal is no threat this year in the championship plus of course the championship is gone for all.

Marco Melandri was once quoted as saying that 'Valentino is your friend until you start beating him' and I think if we are honest, then Cal has not really threatened in that aspect but if the latter half of the year is anything to judge by, perhaps the same cannot be said in 2017.

In saying this btw, I do not believe that these behaviours are limited to just Valentino but are seen throughout the elite athletic/sports worlds (yes there are some exceptions) and thus they are part and parcel of being so damn good at the chosen profession.

Finish line said:

I wouldn't be so sure. I've seen people cheering and laughing after JL's crashes. I've seen it in Sachsenring 2013 and in Qatar 2014.

I'm ashamed to know some people (adults...from bike club) who do the same thing from the couch (they also turn off the TV if beloved self proclaimed doctor slides out of the race).

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Can say the same in terms of the behaviours of some (not just in bikes) and know of three people who stopped watching Japan when Valentino fell as to them, the end of the dream for 10 was that very fall (they had stayed watching other races as the championship was very much alive).

Shame with some people is that they are so one-sided and blinded that they are blinded to the very brilliance that may be before them and subsequently may miss the extraordinary or the heartening.

Gaz said:

Can say the same in terms of the behaviours of some (not just in bikes) and know of three people who stopped watching Japan when Valentino fell as to them, the end of the dream for 10 was that very fall (they had stayed watching other races as the championship was very much alive).

Shame with some people is that they are so one-sided and blinded that they are blinded to the very brilliance that may be before them and subsequently may miss the extraordinary or the heartening.

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I know what you mean, a lot of that sort of carry on happens but i have never really understood it and think having that outlook will only detract from your enjoyment of the series. Sure i have a soft spot for some of the riders, but I'm a fan of all the riders really. it would be a pleasure to meet any one of them and chew their ear off talking about bikes.

I struggle at times to understand how fans can hate on other riders probably because its not in my personality, so i tend not to judge anyone for it but its just not my thing.

I wonder what's the relationship like with Cal and Honda. He doesn't seem all too pleased with them.

Here's an excerpt from Kropotkin's site.

"A factory bike isn't going to happen," he told reporters. "I'm happy with my team, but maybe I deserve more support from my factory. When I rode for Yamaha, I had good support from the factory and got offered a contract to stay again. We get good support, but I think they should be helping me more, and LCR as a team more." He also dropped a few hints at the tensions between the factory and satellite teams. "It's disappointing to win a race and not see the boss at the press conference, because if you were in another factory, they would be there. I know there are people there internally that really help me, and that there are people internally that don't like them for doing it."

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/10/24/2016_phillip_island_sunday_round_up_what.html

moto vudu said:

I wasn't referring to you.



The individuals I'm referring to know who they are.

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To be fair it is mainly the PI 2015 conspiracy to which I object, and to which I presume Oxley refers. Going by the comments to the linked article he might not have actually enhanced his future as a gp racing journalist much.

Sure after Valentino calling him a cheat to all the world MM may have been motivated to race him more vigorously than he might have otherwise at Sepang, but he actually did so legally. I don't believe he faked a lose to let Lorenzo past however.


My view on this is from my bias as a Stoner fan, who copped similar criticism despite racing Rossi and everyone else in an almost impeccably clean and fair manner after his rookie year. If you read his book Simoncelli's death, and everyone seeming to ignore it after about 2 weeks was a major contributor to his decision to retire.

AJV80 said:

I struggle at times to understand how fans can hate on other riders probably because its not in my personality, so i tend not to judge anyone for it but its just not my thing.

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Much the same, I simply cannot 'hate' riders as such but happily admit that I do struggle with the manner in which some fans act/react to those that may not be one of their supported riders (this applies to teams as well where fans may abuse players - league is a classic with that and some clubs).

That said, there are definitely some riders who I prefer to achieve good/excellent results and not always because they may be an Aussie (I actually don't mind Cal as I enjoy the non-political correct nature of his comments, but then I also liked the way Biaggi battled despite knowing the hatred he received etc).

IMO only (and have said before) but social media has a lot to answer for in terms of fan behaviours of today compared to as little as 10 years back and further

Gaz said:

Much the same, I simply cannot 'hate' riders as such but happily admit that I do struggle with the manner in which some fans act/react to those that may not be one of their supported riders (this applies to teams as well where fans may abuse players - league is a classic with that and some clubs).

That said, there are definitely some riders who I prefer to achieve good/excellent results and not always because they may be an Aussie (I actually don't mind Cal as I enjoy the non-political correct nature of his comments, but then I also liked the way Biaggi battled despite knowing the hatred he received etc).

IMO only (and have said before) but social media has a lot to answer for in terms of fan behaviours of today compared to as little as 10 years back and further

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I'm bit of a Cal fan myself, I find him good value in terms of entertainment. He was doing alright when he was on the Tech3 bike. Shame things didn't work out for him at Ducati, but I'm glad he could see it wasn't going to work and did something about it. Good call considering he isn't getting any younger.

I know he was very keen to get onto an RCV after seeing Marc crush everyone on it. I must of excepted too much to soon when he hopped on the LCR because he seemed to be having a tough time on it. He has been doing quite well on it now, hope he can continue his good run. Hats off to him for riding under the stupid barrier tape at turn 4 and doing a proper victory lap. Its ....... insulting to deny that to the riders who have put on a great show and the crowd who have put up with all the horrible .... weather for 3 full days. Hopefully it kicks of a new trend at PI.
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JPSLotus said:

Mat Oxley

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/10/24/2016_phillip_island_sunday_round_up_what.html

I do like his discussion about alien riders...especially since I've been particularly vocal on the subject as of late. Interesting read otherwise though, in particular the bit where Crutchlow talks about not wanting to ride for the factory Honda team, and about not getting enough support from HRC. This should also put to rest the assertions in this topic from a few that Cal is getting an identical factory bike. Getting an identical factory bike includes getting the proper support from the factory. A lot of people would do well to remember this.

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David missed out on the provenance of the the "alien" term a little though. I don't know about pre1985, but since then it was first applied by Charlie Checa to Mick Doohan after finishing second to him in a race during Mick's title run.

moto vudu said:

The hypocrisy on this forum is strong. The same forum that takes bets on Crutchlow crashing out of races has an issue with some fans that cheered MM's crash?

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In the same way that I would not brand you amongst the clueless canary coloured c***s that pollute our contemporary race circuits I would also thank you for not generalising in the future. I regard the Crutchlow thread as a ....... embarrassment and a blight on this board, but it is hardly comparable to cheering a fallen rider from trackside. This disrespect in the stands towards other riders has been taking place for over a decade and it has now culminated in wild celebrations whenever a particular two riders fall. Instead of calling out the hypocrisy of 'this forum' - for someone so outspoken as yourself, why are you not in the slightest bit critical of the 'c**t of personality' around whom this ........ focuses? Or the fact that he continues to mobilise his mindless minions against his adversaries, refusing to publicly plead for a cessation of this vile behaviour which in my opinion, makes him complicit and is equally as reprehensible. You want hypocritical? - Your idol has it in spades.

I have posted memorable crashes on here after the event and for example, I concede that I found the failure of Dani's anti wheelie control at PI highly amusing. What I cannot comprehend however is why these fuckers would firstly cheer a fallen rider and secondly pay to watch racing and ultimately be denied that on the road through a DNF which they then celebrate. For those apologists chiming in suggesting that this behaviour is permissible since they can see the rider walk away - these fuckers are out of their seats in a pico second the moment they see the bike hitting the deck. The celebrations of Lorenzo's crash at Misano last year were frankly grotesque and obscene. Watch again how innocuous Rainey's career ending accident at the same circuit appeared at the time.

You want generalisation MV? You may well be justified in your post - but I find it very telling that you and the members that 'liked' it are the last ones to call out this conduct or the tacit encouragement of the ringleader whose implicit approval is an indictment in itself.

Moreover, no one is forcing you to keep visiting 'this forum'.

Richy56 said:

Maybe oxley is finally seeing the light, and clearly reading this forum!

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p4p1 said:

Very happy a jounro finally said what we were all thinking, surprised it was Oxley though.

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As I have pointed out innumerable times, Matt Oxley has consistently held this opinion. He called out Rossi for his baseless conspiracy theory after Phillip Island and was very vocal about the 'unwritten rule of racing' bollocks on twitter. I've joked myself about yellow tinted 'Oxley's' - but actually I've always found his writing well reasoned, objectively balanced and at times quite incisive. He's no mug on two wheels either. Couldn't understand the vilification on here. Dr.No, did I ever mention 'Stealing Speed'? - you really must grab a copy - (insert predictable wink emoji)

Arrabbiata1 said:

As I have pointed out innumerable times, Matt Oxley has consistently held this opinion. He called out Rossi for his baseless conspiracy theory after Phillip Island and was very vocal about the 'unwritten rule of racing' bollocks on twitter. I've joked myself about yellow tinted 'Oxley's' - but actually I've always found his writing well reasoned, objectively balanced and at times quite incisive. He's no mug on two wheels either. Couldn't understand the vilification on here. Dr.No, did I ever mention 'Stealing Speed'? - you really must grab a copy - (insert predictable wink emoji)

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Yes he has post Sepang and fair Play him for that. It's the years of constant Valentino drivel before that did my head in. Yes VR is good but no need to live in his arse crack. Journos should be unbiased IMO, he clearly wasn't and rode the band wagon probably for his own benefit.

You never know, VR has probably shunned him from his inner circle now that he outspoken about Sepang. VR seems to have more enemies in the paddock than friends this yr.

Exactly. It's a shame. Valentino is tearing apart his golden cloak in the closing stages of what has been an unprecedented and rewarding career.

The most mind boggling part for me is that you have *supposed* Marquez fans who no longer cheer for him because of his actions last year. I don't and never will understand that.

MM in a teaching mode in Indonesia at Astra Honda Racing School.






and the video

Barbedwirebikerr said:

Exactly. It's a shame. Valentino is tearing apart his golden cloak in the closing stages of what has been an unprecedented and rewarding career.

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His status was absolutely unchallenged and unchallengeable, even by most on here, at the end of the 2009 season after the 7th world title if he had retired then. If anything his performances this year and last year, at the ages of 36 and 37 still more than competitive against the current field should considered objectively provide further proof of his quality as a rider and allow the Ducati years to be more definitely ascribed to the deficiencies of the bike.

I don't doubt he will be remembered kindly by history anyway, but not so much as the super cool iceman he was/seemed to be until the Ducati move. I doubt the thing which annoys me and others, him being imo complicit in the treatment of most of his rivals by some of his fans will have much long term resonance given so many followers of the sport are Rossi fans.

Interesting to see him and Jorge agreeing about a few things over the PI race week-end; I don't think either is highly likely to win another title, so perhaps they might be gaining some perspective, Jorge as well as Valentino having achieved beyond the wildest dreams of nearly everyone who has ever qualified for the grid of a GP bike race let alone anyone else.

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Is that Pedrosa on the right?

AJV80 said:

Is that Pedrosa on the right?

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Good one!



Sorry, I should say....OMG that's rude! Poor Dani, it's not his fault.



Speaking of Dani, there is no news of him returning in time for Malesya (I've said before it's pointless to travel that far for a weekend with an injury and such a long break before the last race) and no news on his replacement.

Finish line said:

Speaking of Dani, there is no news of him returning in time for Malesya (I've said before it's pointless to travel that far for a weekend with an injury and such a long break before the last race) and no news on his replacement.

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There have already been a number of reports from HRC that they searched Motegi and found Aoyama in the pits so have bought him a plane ticket and shipped him to Malaysia (apparently they got him an early flight, what his the slow pace and all they figured it best to get him on the road early)

Gaz said:

There have already been a number of reports from HRC that they searched Motegi and found Aoyama in the pits so have bought him a plane ticket and shipped him to Malaysia (apparently they got him an early flight, what his the slow pace and all they figured it best to get him on the road early)

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Sometimes Honda really lack vision, why use Aoyama .... they should step it up/down a knotch and bring in Karel Abraham