Melandri IS done at Ducati.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 26 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spot on, thanks Jum.



I hope that he is talking about additional problems that arn't there, because he definitely has problems and if he wants to go around thinking that he doesn't, then he is the one that needs some medication.

Thanks for the post BG




I really have'nt heard anyone, riders/fans/teams/managers, anybody out there saying they like this formula. Someone please find me a quote from someone saying that they prefer the 800cc bikes. Maybe Pedrosa

?
and stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 26 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and stoner.
True

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 26 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, let me rephrase my statement so we can stop playing games with semantics.

Melandri doesn't know what it takes to win a REAL WC.
this is a quote taken from your poll in another thread.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>No Euro-babies!

Seriously though, I'd much rather watch AMA than 125/250 classes. Am I an uncultured American?

That will be the next poll. tongue.gif

i take it by this comment you dont really get to see 125's & 250's much in your country so really cant understand the value of such a world championship !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 26 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and stoner.

Stoner was quoted as saying he preferred the 990's but he probably changed his mind after last season

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jun 26 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner was quoted as saying he preferred the 990's but he probably changed his mind after last season
if stoner said that he is either a masochist or a lier. gravel trap or wc ? not rocket science is it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 26 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>and stoner.

Not true Roger.

CS has said a few times in interviews that he preferred the 990cc.

edit: Saw the above befor I found the post below



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 26 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if stoner said that he is either a masochist or a lier. gravel trap or wc ? not rocket science is it

The interview I saw was late last year and judging from the body language and excitement in the words, he sure wasnt lying.

He basically said the same as most others have.

He enjoyed the sheer raw power available, the sideways action, fighting to keep the bike online and under control all while trying to cut lap times that were competitive. Don't forget that he was very competitive in lap time terms but yes he fell off a few times. The falling has been blamed on many things and it is a fallacy to say that the TC and 800's have stopped his falling as he still crashed last year and this, the difference being that he crashed in the races in 06 and practice in 07 therefore the visibility has led to a perception.

Now, it also has to be acknowledged (by me) that certainly the number of crashes has reduced but this also often comes with experience. In CS case, his second year coincided with a change in capacity, tyres and bike package as well as a major change in his personal life, all or any of which could have caused the drop in the number of crashes.




Garry

Sete will be back soon on the duck.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jun 27 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not true Roger.

CS has said a few times in interviews that he preferred the 990cc.

edit: Saw the above befor I found the post below





The interview I saw was late last year and judging from the body language and excitement in the words, he sure wasnt lying.

He basically said the same as most others have.

He enjoyed the sheer raw power available, the sideways action, fighting to keep the bike online and under control all while trying to cut lap times that were competitive. Don't forget that he was very competitive in lap time terms but yes he fell off a few times. The falling has been blamed on many things and it is a fallacy to say that the TC and 800's have stopped his falling as he still crashed last year and this, the difference being that he crashed in the races in 06 and practice in 07 therefore the visibility has led to a perception.

Now, it also has to be acknowledged (by me) that certainly the number of crashes has reduced but this also often comes with experience. In CS case, his second year coincided with a change in capacity, tyres and bike package as well as a major change in his personal life, all or any of which could have caused the drop in the number of crashes.




Garry
Casey said in an interview that I would bet you can see on the ducati website regarding the whole crashing thing. That he didn't have the front end feel of the bike cause the parts he had were basicly junk. He didn't get the stuff he needed to dial in the feel. This was also said by other riders in interviews I have read like Carlos Checa complaining about the very same thing and he also was on a SAT team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 26 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this is a quote taken from your poll in another thread.


i take it by this comment you dont really get to see 125's & 250's much in your country so really cant understand the value of such a world championship !

I see plenty 250. Everytime I think, "My God! Is that a weedwacker with fairings or a mechanical pony? Are those tires left over from the rubber factory in East Germany? Why are these riders so tiny? Are they children?"

You're right, I don't see the value in it.

You can say that, you must not of watched Kalio come from 14th to 1st last weekend. He will be world champion in 2010.

I hope your post was in humour.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jun 26 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Allegedly he's using some 07 engine parts, the 08 chassis and the 09 electronics, but whatever it is that bike is looking a lot more stable with him on it than earlier in the year.
Interesting. I hadn't heard about 2007 engine parts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jun 27 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Interesting. I hadn't heard about 2007 engine parts.


Thats because the 08 part was found to be flawed when Stoner had that DNF due to mechanical breakdown ....


Seems funny to me that Ducati ( or is it just us fans?) put a year model on parts. These are motoGP bikes after all .... and its obvious from the "concoction" he is currently riding. Do Duc. call them parts from XX model .... or is it just the fans? ....... Yamaha didn't say Rossi was running the 08 engine when he first tried the pneumatics ..... and by the rules its fine to use parts as soon as they are available ..... so why are some here putting dates on parts all of a sudden?

Is Hayden on the 09 Honda? with the pneumatics?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jun 26 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why a 250 title is "real"

1. a unique riding style is required, just as with the bigger class needs one.
2. bikes are a real ..... to set up and are less forgiving of bad setup. the bigger class had excess power to mask a poor setup, a 250 does not.
3. pressure to win is just as great, largely due to a 250 title being one of the best ways to advertise
a riders credentials.
4 much bigger grids, leading to a larger pool of riders to battle against/fight through when mistakes are made.

see? just as many things to overcome as the big class, only different.

now wipe the predjudice out your eyes and run along...

muppet...........
You can make those arguments for any series in the world.
1. Supermoto also requires a unique riding style.
2. All bikes are a ..... to set up when looking for that final tenth. Sure the bigger class has more power so poor set up can "hide," but poor set up cannot hide from superior riders.
3. Pressure is everywhere in racing, the best riders put it out of their heads. Do you think a 250cc WC means more to a 19 year-old Spaniard than an AMA Supersport Championship means to a 19 year-old yank?
4. AMA Supersport fields generally consist of similar numbers as a 250GP, between 30 and 50 riders depending on the race.

Not taking anything away from 250s, I really enjoy the series. But debating a series' validity is ridiculous as I've shown the arguments can be made for any.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 26 2008, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is Hayden on the 09 Honda? with the pneumatics?
No, he's on the only full 08 honda

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 27 2008, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.Not taking anything away from 250s, I really enjoy the series. But debating a series' validity is ridiculous as I've shown the arguments can be made for any.

just as calling a series inferior is ridiculous....i see your point, do you see mine?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jun 27 2008, 05:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats because the 08 part was found to be flawed when Stoner had that DNF due to mechanical breakdown ....


Seems funny to me that Ducati ( or is it just us fans?) put a year model on parts. These are motoGP bikes after all .... and its obvious from the "concoction" he is currently riding. Do Duc. call them parts from XX model .... or is it just the fans? ....... Yamaha didn't say Rossi was running the 08 engine when he first tried the pneumatics ..... and by the rules its fine to use parts as soon as they are available ..... so why are some here putting dates on parts all of a sudden?

Is Hayden on the 09 Honda? with the pneumatics?
Actually all teams and riders do. i think its time to translate rider X for you guys.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jun 27 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can make those arguments for any series in the world.
1. Supermoto also requires a unique riding style.
2. All bikes are a ..... to set up when looking for that final tenth. Sure the bigger class has more power so poor set up can "hide," but poor set up cannot hide from superior riders.
3. Pressure is everywhere in racing, the best riders put it out of their heads. Do you think a 250cc WC means more to a 19 year-old Spaniard than an AMA Supersport Championship means to a 19 year-old yank?
4. AMA Supersport fields generally consist of similar numbers as a 250GP, between 30 and 50 riders depending on the race.

Not taking anything away from 250s, I really enjoy the series. But debating a series' validity is ridiculous as I've shown the arguments can be made for any.
The point is that the 250cc machines are two strokes(very narrow powerband). One must be able to extract every ounce of power without the use of electronics to be successful. The rider needs to be very precise to ride a 250cc two stroke fast; there is no torque to cover errors.

If you have any doubts about the importance of the 250cc world championship, just have a look at the dominant riders in MotoGP(and even WSBK). Take a look at the list: Troy Bayliss, Valentino Rossi, Max Biaggi, Loris Capirossi, Dani Pedrosa, Casey Stoner, Marco Melandri(the list goes on!)...all successful former 250cc racers.

The two stroke engine is not so easily tamed, so the role of the rider is very important in 250cc racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 27 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I see plenty 250. Everytime I think, "My God! Is that a weedwacker with fairings or a mechanical pony? Are those tires left over from the rubber factory in East Germany? Why are these riders so tiny? Are they children?"

You're right, I don't see the value in it.

Even a 250 of 10 years ago (we do ride them for fun at Mugello on Sundays) can teach you exact lines, throttle sensitivity (they can spit you out on a nasty highside if you are careless with the right wrist!), tyre management, hard braking etc. - all of the GP basics. In handling and weight-power ratio, it is closest thing to a 800cc MotoGP you can ride (minus the rider aids...).

You'll see that after they replace 250 with 4-strokes 650's, the last generation of riders grown on 2-stroke 250cc will reign for many years because those who'll follow will not have that kind of preparation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jun 26 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>of course he does, what with winning a 250cc WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.....




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 26 2008, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry, let me rephrase my statement so we can stop playing games with semantics.

Melandri doesn't know what it takes to win a REAL WC.

Ok then does anyone not think that it is probably actually .... loads harder to win a world championship on either 125 cc or 250 cc, just because the bikes are more evenly matched and there are .... loads on the grid?

All those who spout on about Rossi's 7 WC titles include his former years. Why should Melandri be any different in that respect?

A WC is a WC no matter what the class. Your still the best on the grid at that time, end of.

250 is harder to win than motogp? what planet are you on? if rossi, stoner, pedrosa and horhey were in 250cc kalio wouldnt have a chance