Stoner thinks it's pretty fast. But I agree, it's going to be hard to beat the M1 satellite and RCV satellite bikes. So between a CRT and a sat, then?
kiddyK
Slower than a sat bike for sure, I just don't see the future potential with the engine besides being well sorted because it's a Honda. Kind of like their street bikes, good bikes, but nothing to truly get excited about.
Slower than a sat bike for sure, I just don't see the future potential with the engine besides being well sorted because it's a Honda. Kind of like their street bikes, good bikes, but nothing to truly get excited about.
Yeah, I thought it was the same engine, without fancy gearbox and pneumatics and factory ECU, but pneumatics are an option if you want to pay for them.
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I wonder if that means enough to outfit 5 riders or enough to outfit 2.5 riders?
EDIT:
I wonder if that means enough to outfit 5 riders or enough to outfit 2.5 riders?
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
the limiting factor for the proddy racer will be the standard valves.
as i see it, not much use trying to fiddle with the engine as it will just choke above 16k.
now, if the protos get rev limited to 15.5 or 15k and the tyres drop a bit in performance....that would make the proddy quite the machine to be on wouldnt it
as i see it, not much use trying to fiddle with the engine as it will just choke above 16k.
now, if the protos get rev limited to 15.5 or 15k and the tyres drop a bit in performance....that would make the proddy quite the machine to be on wouldnt it
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hayden69champ
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: - Hodor Spank Clan in Full Fantasy Tin Foil Hat Mode....
SuperShinya56
It made my Day....2 more Years of Hodor riding around making up numbers and having the Fanboys make up more conspiracy excuses for his performance.....
J4rn0
Fix it for you.....USA honda needs Nicky to sell bikes to the Fanboys.....
I wonder how many of the Hodor fanboy club are eyeing a Hondas for their next bike already? :lol:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: - Hodor Spank Clan in Full Fantasy Tin Foil Hat Mode....
SuperShinya56
It made my Day....2 more Years of Hodor riding around making up numbers and having the Fanboys make up more conspiracy excuses for his performance.....
J4rn0
Fix it for you.....USA honda needs Nicky to sell bikes to the Fanboys.....
I wonder how many of the Hodor fanboy club are eyeing a Hondas for their next bike already? :lol:
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Woody Creek
kiddyK
I used "inexperienced" because he's only been in the premier class for just about a year now, and also because it's a nicer way of saying "not very good". He could get better, sure, but he's not shown the sort of improvement throughout his debut season that we've seen from other prestigious rookies like Bradl or Simoncelli. Bradders is a very likable and intelligent guy, but I've never seen so much as a flash of the sort of raw ability required to be anything more than a retread in this series.
A strong work ethic and competent feedback are admirable traits in this series, but they're not enough to keep someone in a highly sought-after seat. In my opinion, the only reason Nicky has hung on to factory machinery as long as he has is because no one worth signing was dumb enough to have a go on the Ducati and he's valuable in an important market. Bradley possesses neither asset—the M1 is highly desirable and Crutchlow already has the UK covered.
I'd have my money on Bradders being shunted down to a proddy bike or into another series once his Tech 3 contract expires.
I used "inexperienced" because he's only been in the premier class for just about a year now, and also because it's a nicer way of saying "not very good". He could get better, sure, but he's not shown the sort of improvement throughout his debut season that we've seen from other prestigious rookies like Bradl or Simoncelli. Bradders is a very likable and intelligent guy, but I've never seen so much as a flash of the sort of raw ability required to be anything more than a retread in this series.
A strong work ethic and competent feedback are admirable traits in this series, but they're not enough to keep someone in a highly sought-after seat. In my opinion, the only reason Nicky has hung on to factory machinery as long as he has is because no one worth signing was dumb enough to have a go on the Ducati and he's valuable in an important market. Bradley possesses neither asset—the M1 is highly desirable and Crutchlow already has the UK covered.
I'd have my money on Bradders being shunted down to a proddy bike or into another series once his Tech 3 contract expires.
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Austin
Brilliant post. (One caveat, disclaimer--nit picking on my part as I know you will generally agree here: Nicky has held on not just because others were not available or willing in addition nor his marketability. Given he has "matched pace" with his last two well regarded teammates (I have quotes both from Rossi and Dovi saying as much) I would say his world class 'talented ability' on a motorcycle was the FIRST thing Ducati considered. I would venture to say, Rossi the most 'marketable' guy in the history of the sport wasn't signed by Ducati with this first in mind either, but rather the belief in his talent to ride and improve the machine. Ducati have been chasing a repeat of Stoner's performance, hence why they went after Nicky, offered 15 Mill to Lorenzo, paid untold millions to Rossi, signed a proven world class talent in Dovi. Now at this point, I would agree, they are desperate for someobody good to sign for them, as I heard they have been turned down even by riders who would eat their own children at a chance for MotoGP. Looky for them Cal was available given the 'necessity' to sing Espargaro.
Brilliant post. (One caveat, disclaimer--nit picking on my part as I know you will generally agree here: Nicky has held on not just because others were not available or willing in addition nor his marketability. Given he has "matched pace" with his last two well regarded teammates (I have quotes both from Rossi and Dovi saying as much) I would say his world class 'talented ability' on a motorcycle was the FIRST thing Ducati considered. I would venture to say, Rossi the most 'marketable' guy in the history of the sport wasn't signed by Ducati with this first in mind either, but rather the belief in his talent to ride and improve the machine. Ducati have been chasing a repeat of Stoner's performance, hence why they went after Nicky, offered 15 Mill to Lorenzo, paid untold millions to Rossi, signed a proven world class talent in Dovi. Now at this point, I would agree, they are desperate for someobody good to sign for them, as I heard they have been turned down even by riders who would eat their own children at a chance for MotoGP. Looky for them Cal was available given the 'necessity' to sing Espargaro.
i have a question is this open class bike a lot better then the honda crt bike that gresini is using now
hayden69champ
It should be much much better, but we won't really know how good it is until post season testing. What I don't like about Nicky taking the ride is that it won't get the kind of development the other bikes will be getting during the season. The Yamaha will have a higher potential simply because of the engine and the Aprilia if it ever races again is updated during the season and set to get some really good upgrades next year. Even Barbera's team is experimenting with and updating their bike during the season.
It should be much much better, but we won't really know how good it is until post season testing. What I don't like about Nicky taking the ride is that it won't get the kind of development the other bikes will be getting during the season. The Yamaha will have a higher potential simply because of the engine and the Aprilia if it ever races again is updated during the season and set to get some really good upgrades next year. Even Barbera's team is experimenting with and updating their bike during the season.
Hayden can consider this job as easing into retirement, being gradually pushed out of factory teams. Edwards is well into his swan song. Who knows what Spies has lined up. No prominent American prospects coming up through the ranks at the moment, looks like it's going to be a dry spell.
Big Jorge
That's a pretty big assertion. They aren't going to build a cheaper bike to have it potentially beat their factory models, no matter how talented the rider on it is.
That's a pretty big assertion. They aren't going to build a cheaper bike to have it potentially beat their factory models, no matter how talented the rider on it is.
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eltoro
And a long one at that, considering the current state of road racing here. Remember when the best GP riders in the world were Americans? Good god, that was a long time ago.
And a long one at that, considering the current state of road racing here. Remember when the best GP riders in the world were Americans? Good god, that was a long time ago.
Austin
Really? I went back and looked at the other rookies and their first seasons and he's right on the money, position and points-wise. He had a slow start to the year, but he seems to be of the 'slow and steady progress' school.
I read all the guff on here about how he 'didn't deserve' the ride. I don't agree. He's been a total company man for Tech 3 - riding that nail in Moto2 to actual results. Look at the other riders that have been on it - nowhere. He rode it to 7th/9th place in the championships and his replacements? Danny Kent is 22nd, Louis Rossi is 23rd. Bradders got three podiums.
Bradl's 'prestigious rookie' season saw him in 9th place with 135 points. On a clearly superior near-factory ride.
Simoncelli's 'prestigious rookie' season saw him in 8th place with 125 points. On a clearly superior near-factory ride.
Bradders is 10th with 89 points and three races to go. If he gets his now-regular 6-8th place, he's looking at another 24-30 points by season end. Enough to outpoint the former WC? Maybe. He had a couple of DNFs and a couple of poor quallies at the start, but other than that, solid results.
He's on a proper customer bike - Yamaha don't give Tech3 anything they don't pay for. Bradl and (formerly) Simoncelli have factory-spec bikes and they finished their rookie seasons almost exactly where Bradders will finish. And in those years there was no Marquez stealing all the points.
Maybe you could find another rookie that shows how poorly Smith is doing - because the Bradl/Simoncelli paradigm just isn't working for me.
Really? I went back and looked at the other rookies and their first seasons and he's right on the money, position and points-wise. He had a slow start to the year, but he seems to be of the 'slow and steady progress' school.
I read all the guff on here about how he 'didn't deserve' the ride. I don't agree. He's been a total company man for Tech 3 - riding that nail in Moto2 to actual results. Look at the other riders that have been on it - nowhere. He rode it to 7th/9th place in the championships and his replacements? Danny Kent is 22nd, Louis Rossi is 23rd. Bradders got three podiums.
Bradl's 'prestigious rookie' season saw him in 9th place with 135 points. On a clearly superior near-factory ride.
Simoncelli's 'prestigious rookie' season saw him in 8th place with 125 points. On a clearly superior near-factory ride.
Bradders is 10th with 89 points and three races to go. If he gets his now-regular 6-8th place, he's looking at another 24-30 points by season end. Enough to outpoint the former WC? Maybe. He had a couple of DNFs and a couple of poor quallies at the start, but other than that, solid results.
He's on a proper customer bike - Yamaha don't give Tech3 anything they don't pay for. Bradl and (formerly) Simoncelli have factory-spec bikes and they finished their rookie seasons almost exactly where Bradders will finish. And in those years there was no Marquez stealing all the points.
Maybe you could find another rookie that shows how poorly Smith is doing - because the Bradl/Simoncelli paradigm just isn't working for me.
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