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Both are in some way right, yet both are in some way wrong.
Alright Gazzy, for the sake of argument...
Not at all, Brooks is 100% wrong, period. Just because Aleix Esp responded by taking a dig at Brooks with some needle doesn't make him wrong, it was fair game. There is no requirement for Aleix to rise above, and his reply doesn’t equate a thinness of skin. Regardless of Aleix's delivery, the fact is 'he is racing in MotoGP' and by that he's earned the right to decide what is too dangerous to race for him.
This started because Brookes posted a tongue in cheek image of a blue dress as a response to Aleix's tweet which was relayed to Brookes and then back to Aleix by a third party (the dress is basically saying - big ....).
You ever heard of the wise saying, 'don't start nuthin, there won't be nuthin.'? Ya'll talk about safety in racing, now when a rider in his own right voices his concern, he is wrong, petulant, thin skinned? Brooks should have closed his mouth, his opinion is irrelevant at best, ridiculous.
Aleix then got into the 'I am faster in the wet than you will ever be in the dry as well as 'easy from your sofa' and then went on to his having lost Salom last year (2 weeks ago, Brookes was present when a rider passed at BSB but Aleix did not know or ignored it). It was during this exchange where Brookes' made the 'give people who want a go' comment.
First of all, Aleix is right, Brooks is slower than him. Espargaro threw in the rain part and making a nobody famous for added needle. And it's funny too because im sure it burned Brooks privately, Brooks reminds me of arrogant Cuntslow, big ....... mouth that needs someone to throw back grenades when he throws darts. This is precisely why I like Aleix Espargaro, because he doesn't back down to chickenshit comments like Rossi made (in a practice incident) which Espargaro responded to by telling him to .... off.
Espargaro may not be following BSB but for sure as hell Brooks and a lot more people are following GP, so bringing up Salom in reference to track safety was appropriate, given his death was due to a track condition that caused his fatal injury and was changed for the race.
Brookes' point about 'if you dont want to ride, then give someone a chance who does' is, for mine something that people call for all the time - 'how would rider X go' etc and is something that we praise the likes of West (as example) of trying to do, so for mine, no harm. Couple this with the sheer fact that Brookes' has had no opportunity at MotoGp (has done WSBK with BMW for a year) and yet Aleix has 1 podium in 8 seasons (2 in 200 GP races) and perhaps we start to see why some riders get frustrated when statements of 'I will not ride' are made.
A lot in this paragraph, but I'll cover all of it. First, what do you mean 'all the time'? These types of situations are extremely rare (a rider declaring to sit out a race over safety) and with good reason, because the FIM for the most part goes through a process of approving GP circuits. I think you're padding the argument here for sentimental value in favor of Brooks, but it's a long stretch. Brooks isn't any more manly than Aleix, in fact I'd give the nod to Espargaro in this case because I seriously doubt Brooks would have the balls to say ".... you" to Rossi, and that's as brave as it goes in this niche. Whilst arrogant big mouths like Cuntslow are kissing Rossi ..., Aleix has the balls to put his nuts on the chop block.
I'm surprised with your take on Brookes' flippant comment on something serious my friend, given your experience working at tracks. Are you taking Brooks side a bit because he's an Aussie? (You see, that's a bit of needle.) Do you remember another Aussie once declaring he would refuse to race over safety concerns, a one Mat Mladin. Oh yeah, he not only refused to race, he packed up and went home (AMA Kansas circa 09). I don't know if twitter existed back then, but surely you would have (and others on this thread) defended Brooks telling Mladin he was acting like a ...., and give someone who wants to ride a go. Absurd right? Haha.
Mind-boggling false comparison to compare Westy's commendable commitment to race and Brooks petulant flippant comment. Westy was rightly given kudos on this unique forum (the minority of GP fandom) for making a highly unpopular declaration, that he rejected Rossi’s unwritten rule, and stated he would, get this, 'race hard' and not pull over for anyone! Given his own sacrifices and respect for the sport, I think Westy's statement was brave, unfortunately the pressure from the Yellow Petition Mob likely drove him to take it down from his social media.
Brooks has plenty of experience in racing as you say, therefore, plenty of opportunities to impress someone in GP. It hasn't happened. Granted I don’t know much about Brooks career, but I've seen enough Wsbk &BSB to know he's had a chance, and despite wining a BSB title, he hasn't quite emerged as GP material. And I'll add, Brooks' willingness and desire to race in the big show is not unique or special, so let's not look at his flippant dig at Aleix like some extraordinary commitment to race in the pinnacle of sport.
Listing Aleix's raw stats in GP is far below your knowledge of context. After all, isn't A . Espargaro a MotoGP-CRT 'double' back to back Champion? List his wins and podiums in the CRT category too. Meanwhile you got Cuntslow showing up in parc firme in Xth place looking like he did something special on a "independent" in name only RCV. Cuntslow, a veteran, gets away with looking smug in parc firme when he's "beat" others on 2 year old Ducatis, first year KTMs, and mediocre Suzukis. Oh and a few rookies at Tech3. Incidentally, Cuntslow isn't even leading the independent team points, a rookie is beating him. This should put Aleix's stats you listed a bit more in perspective.
Brookes' does race IoM and circuit as well as having a large dirt background so he well knows of danger and dangerous circuits (dare I say that some of the BSB rounds are held at circuits that could not and would not host internationally sanctioned events'.
We got BSB coverage a few years, but they stopped showing it this season. So I don’t know what's going on and I don’t have the motivation to download races like in the past. But I remember seeing Brookes ride and was impressed with his tenacity. But I also remember some screw ups too. US coverage of IOM, NW200, Northern Ireland Ulster are covered in highlights. So I didn't remember Brookes rode, but his racing pedigree is hardly unique and less so earth shattering in relative comparison to most MotoGP riders. Brookes comments in perspective would be like AMA champ (raced on dangerous tracks) Cameron Beaubier tweeting to a MotoGP rider, what you're too scared to race, give me a go son. Cameron wouldn't ever say something so ludicrous, and if he did, it would be foolish to defend him.
For mine, with Bias hat on (hard to do as Brookes is very pro-Yellow masses), Aleix comes out of this far far worse as it shows how easy it is to get underneath his skin and perhaps he should start to concentrate on improving and bettering himself before worrying about another rider against whom he does not compete (Pol also took a snap at Stoner regarding CS' comments praising Kallio's ride).
Disagree, Aleix is still in MotoGP, scoring points against riders that are world champions in GP's categories and Wsbk; Brookes is still relatively nobody, his moment of tweet fame has extinguished. Brookes comes out of this looking like an also ran who opened up his big mouth, one never good enough for the big show, his comment drawing attention to his career, as I'm sure people Googled him upon learning about his spat with a 'MotoGP rider.'
I do however enjoy Aleix's comments regarding wet weather as in all of the series that Brookes has competed in, he is somewhat of a rain meister so I would bank on Brookes on equal machinery again Aleix.
I wouldn't. Aleix has scored good points on inferior machines against good riders on better machines when rain seemingly equalized the parity.
Ah well, that all said, Aleix will remain due to passport whilst Brookes will go off to ride Suzuka, BSB, IoM and other road races
Well, i can tell you where Brookes wont be racing, MotoGP. Though I'm sympathetic to the passport argument, Dog knows that's how Cuntslow got and remains in GP, Brookes case is not a matter of passport, it's a matter of performance. I'm sure he knows it, and that's why Aleix's needle was particularly deployed.
Gaz, do you guys have an Aussie version of Hack Oxley? You could use one, given Oxley loves to jump to the defense of riders that have underperformed like making Cuntslow into some kind of a hero for crashing so much, and Lowes for sucking and blaming Aprilia for paying him to sit it out. The irony Oxley using a quote from Cuntslow no less to express his disgust at the "disgraceful" situation to describe Aprilia shortening a contract mid way, a guy who quit on Ducati half way into his contract! Or you could tweet Hack Oxley to write up a piece on Brookes, explaining why his years of mediocrity deserves a MotoGP ride. After all, Brookes thinks he could give Aleix a go, the guy who has scored over 40 points to Sam Lowes' duce (which I had to look up thinking he'd score zero) on the same machine. Hey, maybe now that Lowes is gone they can replace him with Brooksy.
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