Did Yamaha let Lorenzo go? I have to admit I haven't been following the events too closely, it definitely seems strange if that is the case.
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Did Yamaha let Lorenzo go? I have to admit I haven't been following the events too closely, it definitely seems strange if that is the case.
Being in front at the finish is what counts, for both races and championships, something you seem unable to grasp. And yes, riders as a general rule do score less points in races they don't win as opposed to races they do win.
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What is strange is your apparent contention earlier in the thread that Rossi's second to Lorenzo's third in 2014 outweighs Lorenzo's 3 titles in the last 6 years, including the title most recently decided.
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I find that anything involving Rossi, even if it is seemingly ordinary, is turned into an extraordinary event by his fans. Yes he did finish ahead of Lorenzo in 2014, but given how outclassed he was by the world championship winner, 2nd meant very little.
Yes, exactly my view. In that year MM won so dominantly the next 3 guys probably should be regarded as finishing equal fourth.
I don't think multiple championship winning top 10 of all time riders like Rossi, MM and Jorge care much about finishing 2nd rather than third anyway; certainly Rossi didn't appear to take much consolation from his close second last year, and nor has Jorge in the past in the same situation.
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Given how competitive those guys are, 2nd place in the championship is likely considered a loss. They don't delude themselves into thinking 2nd or 3rd is somehow a worthy achievement given the time and work put into the season. The only people who would be content with that type of a finish are those who are not hyper-competitive.
Where did I say that? You seem to have a habit of making things up when arguing, quite disappointing tbh.
Ok, so we can throw 2013, 2014 and 2016 out of the window when comparing Rossi and Lorenzo as riders. Astounding logic.
Now you raise it, Lorenzo won the title in 2010, finished 2nd in 2011 to a rider not called Valentino Rossi, won in 2012, finished a very close 2nd in 2013 to another rider not called Valentino Rossi (artificially imo, the PI 2013 race was a debacle, and it would have been most unfair if MM had lost the title through disqualification in that race), and won in 2015, and was ahead of Rossi in the points in 2016 when Jorge and Yamaha decided to part ways. If this is outweighed by Rossi finishing a distant second rather than a distant third in 2014, I believe I am not the only one capable of astounding logic.
So years where Rossi carried an injury the whole year and missed 4 races and where Rossi was on a Ducati carry more weight than the last 3 years?
Lorenzo won a title in those 3 years, which he currently holds, so even without the 2010 and 2102 titles yes that actually does exceed anything Rossi has done in the last 3 years, let alone the last 6 years. Neither is at all likely to win a title this year, and Rossi hasn't finished ahead of Lorenzo this year yet, as he didn't last year despite being 18 points in front before PI as you keep telling us. Our discussion concerned Yamaha'a and/or Lorenzo's decision to part ways in any case, and Jorge was ahead of Rossi in this year's championship when that occurred.
It was Valentino's problem alone he injured himself in 2010, just as Jorge's clavicular fractures were his own problem in 2013, but if we are to hypothetically remove injuries then 4 titles to 0 is more likely than 2 to 1 by your own argument in regard to 2016, since Jorge was leading the title race in both 2010 and 2013 when Rossi's and his injuries respectively occurred.
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Sure achievement wise they are better, that was something I never argued.
Actually Rossi was leading the championship when he got injured in 2010 albeit it was only after one race, he hurt his shoulder before Jerez which forced him to change his riding style and still destroyed his pace at the end of races as seen throughout the year, before and after Mugello.
Quibbling was the word I used, aptly it would seem.
No one took Valentino out by malfeasance in 2010, just as Jorge's multiple clavicular fractures in 2013 were due to riding errors of his own. Mick Doohan might well have seven tiles if he hadn't severely injured his leg in practice crash at Assen in 1992, when he had hitherto been absolutely dominant against the likes of Wayne Rainey and Kevin Schwantz. He did crash however as did Rossi and Lorenzo in those other years, and history records the title winners in the years concerned.
Wake me up when you can actually form an argument.
That wasn't really an argument, I was just correcting your incorrect statement, if you wish me to stop doing that then stop making incorrect statements.
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Actually Rossi was losing the championship when he crashed in 2010, after three rounds of 1-3-2. Lorenzo's score at time was 2-1-1.
Rossi was rattled at Lorenzo's early pace and had already demanded to see Lorenzo's data, despite the fact he had insisted the wall and data sharing was still in enforcement by Yamaha.
Frustrated by the unfolding title challenge Rossi then started worrying about slower riders gaining grid spots by following him. He slowed when he saw (I think it was) Barbera behind him and made him pass. In the time Rossi slowed and toured to do this, his tyre cooled and he was highsided when he applied the throttle, breaking his leg.
Rossi was already well on the way to a legitimate title loss, don't try and make out he only lost it due to the crash, it's not true.
BTW #22 called you a troll because you're constantly trying to get a kick out of winding someone up, if you genuinely wanted to debate you'd get more respect.
Rossi injured his shoulder in motocross between Qatar and Jerez, then proceeded to lose significant amount of ground compared to his rivals at the end of both Jerez and Le Mans races with Rossi complaining about the pain, then he took himself out in Mugello for four races and after he returned he proceeded to lose significant amount of ground to his rivals at the latter halfs of almost every race. Who knows whether he would've finished any differently in Jerez and Le Mans or is he would've crashed anyway in Mugello, but to act like the shoulder wasn't a factor at all doesn't seem right to me.
I've spent about 95% of my time here genuinely debating and the rest doing something else, I'd say that's more than a fair ratio.
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