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Oh this forum! Always there to entertain me with our favorite conspiracy theorists
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Vudu says, but everyone are on the same tires, like you, not realizing the folly of your assessment.

"The Michelin suit my style." Rossi.

God knows they do, otherwise we'd be having to hear Rossi whine to high heaven again, threatening to quit like 2007 when he threw Michelin under the bus and Carmelo Clause came to the rescue...again.

Enjoy this video, aptly named: Rossi and Michelin, a snatch made in heaven.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2016/09/08/rossi-and-michelin-a-match-made-in-heaven/209947

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
Personally - I find it very suspicious that your name with just a few letters changed spells Michelin. More importantly it's an anagram for Ham Clime. I tell you, it keeps me up at night.

I don't go nearly as far into tyre conspiracies as some on here, and tend to think firstly that Michelin have stuffed up as I said, and secondly that Jorge is leaving Yamaha and is in the natural order of things not getting the same level of support as if he was staying as has also been said.

I disagree with the argument that because Jorge is not complaining profusely he has no problem with the tyres, and also with those who subscribe to a rather large conspiracy theory being scornful about others raising conspiracy theories, both of which lack logical consistency imo.

What actually has happened is that the winner of 43 races and 3 riders' titles, their last 3 in fact, for Yamaha is leaving for another team in the prime of his career after saying he wanted to be a Yamaha icon as recently as last year, while a 37 year old rider who great as he was hasn't won a title in the last 6 full seasons and appears unlikely to do so in a seventh has been preferred over him. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but it is perhaps not overly paranoid to suspect reasons other than purely racing ones are involved. Jorge also has several reasons not to be vocal about the tyres, a recently introduced rule prohibiting him from doing so among them, as well as the lack of an alternative tyre supplier with whom to co-operate at the new team he is going to next year and the strong likelihood his title chances are gone this year anyway which complaints won't alter.
 
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Don't you find it intriguing that a front tyre that was praised for its longevity and grip over the race was suddenly withdrawn? Wasn't Jorge over 7 seconds faster than the Bridgestone shod bike that won in 2014?
The tyres that failed were rear tyres and other Michelin fronts that washed out, as they sought to provide a tyre that satisfied the main man.
The tire that Lorenzo dominated charts and said was easy to do a fast lap time during preseason has all but vanished. Since then Michelin have continued to develop a tire that artificially keeps Rossi on or near the podium whilst Lorenzo uncharacteristically struggling mid pack. Even Marquez has to gamble on tire choices, not wanting to use Rossi’s hard tires elects to use the one he naturally feels more comfortable with, at Silverstone was the soft. Turned out the hards were the right choice, but they don't 'know' going in and still must take that risk of "choice" before the race. Sure those who chose Rossi’s tires and managed to make them work look like geniuses, or as Crutchlow would say, not "whimps", but it's your ... on the line if you crash using a tire that coincidentally was wrong. Which for Cal was 5 of the first 6 races (not being a whimp apparently also means risking a DNF). That could have easily been Marquez, and today he'd be out of the championship and Rossi would be comfortably leading it.

THANKS MICHELIN.

(Look away, it's not a "conspiracy". No, not at all. Hell neither were the SNS...technically speaking.)

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.
 
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Dovi still hasn't won... nothing strange about that.
Actually you will find dovi has won in moto GP.

And just cos he hasn't won in MotoGP this year, doesn't mean a former world champion doesn't know .... about tyres.

But of course, just cos he is not as successful as Rossi, he is not worth listening too by the blinkered sheep.
 
Lorenzo showing once again he lacks adaptability compared to some other riders, as we've seen throughout his career.

Thankfully he's not whining nearly as much as last year though so that's good.
 
What actually has happened is that the winner of 43 races and 3 riders' titles, their last 3 in fact, for Yamaha is leaving for another team in the prime of his career after saying he wanted to be a Yamaha icon as recently as last year, while a 37 year old rider who great as he was hasn't won a title in the last 6 full seasons and appears unlikely to do so in a seventh has been preferred over him. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but it is perhaps not overly paranoid to suspect reasons other than purely racing ones are involved. Jorge also has several reasons not to be vocal about the tyres, a recently introduced rule prohibiting him from doing so among them, as well as the lack of an alternative tyre supplier with whom to co-operate at the new team he is going to next year and the strong likelihood his title chances are gone this year anyway which complaints won't alter.

Maybe it could have something to do with the 37 year old rider beating him over the last 2 and a half seasons on average at least and some could argue each season as well, and him not being fond of this turn of events.
 
Lorenzo showing once again he lacks adaptability compared to some other riders, as we've seen throughout his career.

'as we've seen throughout his career'.

Commencing with the 125 class please state why you think this is the case using examples to illustrate your contention.

What specifically you attribute this current lack of adaptability to?
 
Maybe it could have something to do with the 37 year old rider beating him over the last 2 and a half seasons on average at least and some could argue each season as well, and him not being fond of this turn of events.

Which of them was more unhappy about the 2015 season, do you think?

So you are going to deride winning 3 out of the last 6 titles decided, including the one most recently decided, and 43 race wins against the likes of Marc Marquez and Casey Stoner, or Rossi himself for that matter who was only 29 when Jorge joined the premier class?. I have no need to resort to argumentum ad hominem, you amply demonstrate what Povol often argues, that a significant element among Rossi fans are more ignorant about the sport they purport to follow than pretty much any other fans of any sport.
 
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Which of them was more unhappy about the 2015 season, do you think?

So you are going to deride winning 3 out of the last 6 titles decided, including the one most recently decided, and 43 race wins against the likes of Marc Marquez and Casey Stoner, or Rossi himself for that matter who was only 29 when Jorge joined the premier class?.

During the season? Lorenzo by far. After the season, Rossi surely.

You still have an interesting way of stating Rossi was better in 2014, better so far in 2016 and to some better in 2015, and Yamaha and Lorenzo drawing their conclusions from that.
 
'as we've seen throughout his career'.

Commencing with the 125 class please state why you think this is the case using examples to illustrate your contention.

What specifically you attribute this current lack of adaptability to?

Riding style and mentality.
 
During the season? Lorenzo by far. After the season, Rossi surely.

You still have an interesting way of stating Rossi was better in 2014, better so far in 2016 and to some better in 2015, and Yamaha and Lorenzo drawing their conclusions from that.

I wouldn't call an argument that 0 out of 6 is better than 3 out of 6 including the most recent championship interesting, many other adjectives more aptly apply.
 
During the season? Lorenzo by far. After the season, Rossi surely.

You still have an interesting way of stating Rossi was better in 2014, better so far in 2016 and to some better in 2015, and Yamaha and Lorenzo drawing their conclusions from that.

Only a ....... ..... would come to the conclusion that Rossi was better than Lorenzo in 2015. Are you one of them?

Wins
Lorenzo 7
Rossi 4

Fast laps
Lorenzo 6
Rossi 4

Poles
Lorenzo 5
Rossi 1

Laps Led
Lorenzo 274
Rossi 50
 
I don't go nearly as far into tyre conspiracies as some on here, and tend to think firstly that Michelin have stuffed up as I said, and secondly that Jorge is leaving Yamaha and is in the natural order of things not getting the same level of support as if he was staying as has also been said.

I disagree with the argument that because Jorge is not complaining profusely he has no problem with the tyres, and also with those who subscribe to a rather large conspiracy theory being scornful about others raising conspiracy theories, both of which lack logical consistency imo.

What actually has happened is that the winner of 43 races and 3 riders' titles, their last 3 in fact, for Yamaha is leaving for another team in the prime of his career after saying he wanted to be a Yamaha icon as recently as last year, while a 37 year old rider who great as he was hasn't won a title in the last 6 full seasons and appears unlikely to do so in a seventh has been preferred over him. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but it is perhaps not overly paranoid to suspect reasons other than purely racing ones are involved. Jorge also has several reasons not to be vocal about the tyres, a recently introduced rule prohibiting him from doing so among them, as well as the lack of an alternative tyre supplier with whom to co-operate at the new team he is going to next year and the strong likelihood his title chances are gone this year anyway which complaints won't alter.

Sorry if you thought I was making a dig at you Michael. I wasn't. Merely poking a finger at the general climate of paranoia that becomes noticeably heightened here when there isn't a brand spanking new thing for everybody to bicker over. I agree with your assessment entirely.

Peace,
K
 
Sorry if you thought I was making a dig at you Michael. I wasn't. Merely poking a finger at the general climate of paranoia that becomes noticeably heightened here when there isn't a brand spanking new thing for everybody to bicker over. I agree with your assessment entirely.

Peace,
K

It is fine Kesh. You are more than entitled to have a go at me if you please in any case, that's why the forum exists.

Overly wedded to Aristotlean logic as I am, it genuinely disturbs my sensibilities for the likes off GAW to cry conspiracy theory in regard to others while doggedly maintaining one himself in alternate sentences, or sometimes the same sentence, all the while seemingly in the belief he is cleverly bearding the dastardly Rossi haters in their den. I fully realise he (he seems likely) is being deliberately vexatious of course, but disagree with his likely self opinion that he is being cleverly so. As you argued at the time also of course there was an edge to how MM raced at Sepang 2015, but this should hardly have been unexpected by VR or his fans, and it was a case of the biter bit imo.
 
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I think he does care but he is more concerned with getting his mojo back... :(

It means like getting good feelings again , back on the podium not 17th 15th or 8th :dirol:

Edited to add this season up until Catalunya Jorge's form was very good including, 3 wins and 2 seconds , tyres ok up until then, then? in my humble opinion, i think the death of Luis hit him hard , they were obviuosly good friends and ( contrary to poplular belief a human being with feelings ) He split up with Nuria ( all the same time ) we liked Nuria we met her in Barcelona with Jorge, they were a very suited couple thought that relationship would last and sad when i heard they had split up.. It all knocked him off track, but HOPEFULLY Jorge is getting his enthusiasm and drive back and be back on form. :)
 
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Only a ....... ..... would come to the conclusion that Rossi was better than Lorenzo in 2015. Are you one of them?

Wins
Lorenzo 7
Rossi 4

Fast laps
Lorenzo 6
Rossi 4

Poles
Lorenzo 5
Rossi 1

Laps Led
Lorenzo 274
Rossi 50

You're correct that Lorenzo outperformed Rossi last year.
However laps led is hardly relevant, purely finishing result.
 
You're correct that Lorenzo outperformed Rossi last year.
However laps led is hardly relevant, purely finishing result.

7 out of the last 9 championships, the champion has led the most laps, this year could make it 8 out of 10. In a 10 year sample, 70, or 80 percent is relevant.Not only did he lead the most laps, he led Ross by over 5 to1, thats not only relevant, its dominant.
 
You're correct that Lorenzo outperformed Rossi last year.
However laps led is hardly relevant, purely finishing result.

You haven't being following our resident Genius, what is relevant is whatever statistic favours Rossi, to the extent that despite Jorge winning 3 out of the last 6 titles including the last one as opposed to Rossi winning none of the 6 Yamaha were justified in letting Jorge go on performance grounds because Rossi finished 2nd while Jorge finished third in the 2014 championship.
 
Only a ....... ..... would come to the conclusion that Rossi was better than Lorenzo in 2015. Are you one of them?

Wins
Lorenzo 7
Rossi 4

Fast laps
Lorenzo 6
Rossi 4

Poles
Lorenzo 5
Rossi 1

Laps Led
Lorenzo 274
Rossi 50

Those statistics surely favoured Lorenzo before PI as well, yet Rossi was leading him by 18 points. So I'd say races neither won matter as well.
 

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