'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium

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I think Schwantz provides the perfect example that potentially negates the whole idea that championship wins determines worth or legend status. Even if Rainey hadn't had that tragic accident and won the title that year - therefore Schwantz missing out yet again - I personally (I'm confident many others would as well) would still consider Schwantz a racing legend simply because of the courage and heart he displayed on that bike. Maybe, numbers are meaningless.



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Well .... lets just hand the goat status over to Murder Marc. Why let there career play out when Barry can decide after a few races? People love to mention the ambition over talent statement. Hell it was even on a tv show I watch. But there is something worse, having all the talent in the world and no ambition. Casey could/should have been a legend but he chose not to. He is the racing's epitomy of a one hit wonder.



But he won twice so would that not make him a two hit one hit wonder, or is it a duplicate one hit wonder, or maybe just twice as good as a one hit wonder?



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A one hit wonder with two hits ............... now I am confused
 
Well .... lets just hand the goat status over to Murder Marc. Why let there career play out when Barry can decide after a few races? People love to mention the ambition over talent statement. Hell it was even on a tv show I watch. But there is something worse, having all the talent in the world and no ambition. Casey could/should have been a legend but he chose not to. He is the racing's epitomy of a one hit wonder.



Exactly, isn't there a saying about the worst thing in life is wasted talent? Thats the point; Stoner is gifted and like a lot of gifted people he's squandered a lot of it, not in the same way as someone like George Best or Alex Higgins, but he has.



I love watching the guy ride, but his bitchy attitude over the last few years has annoyed me. Some call it 'being frank' but there is a fine line between that and being bitchy, especially when his chosen profession puts him in front of many fans and influencial people worldwide. And lets not forget, HE CHOSE a professional bike racing career so don't moan about it, very few people have the luxury of being paid handsome sums of money to go racing the fastest bikes in the world most weekends a year, and more importantly enough money so that he can retire at 27 and never worry about working another day in his life. I can say with almost certainty that every bike rider in here who has a job they don't like to pay to go riding would swap with him in a heartbeat. Yes the politics and the media of the sport are ........ sometimes, but then you get that in nearly every aspect of life.



I have a NZ mate who is hugely talented and all he wanted to do was ride bikes and he was fast. He did well in NZ before coming over to the UK and he got a few rides and was phenomenal, ok he might not have been an alien as you guys call them but is raw speed and bike control was a joy to watch. However he eventually ran out of money and is now totally lost. He dedicated his life to going racing and now he can't he's back home fixing coffee machines part time, miserable as .... because he can't find any meaning or motivation in life. Thats what pisses me off about Stoner, he has a lot more than many others and still moans.
 
But he won twice so would that not make him a two hit one hit wonder, or is it a duplicate one hit wonder, or maybe just twice as good as a one hit wonder?



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A one hit wonder with two hits ............... now I am confused



I had to look twice, I thought you where Barry. Are you Barry. I'm sure you're not, but certainly you where channeling Barry. Gaz are you there, hello...
 
I had to look twice, I thought you where Barry. Are you Barry. I'm sure you're not, but certainly you where channeling Barry. Gaz are you there, hello...



Nah, no barry here, my dog is safe .....................................



Besides, I only used one smiley





Just find the term one hit wonder interesting at times ................. and nowhere did I mention the R or L words
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Oh ...., a smiley
 
Nah, no barry here, my dog is safe .....................................



Besides, I only used one smiley





Just find the term one hit wonder interesting at times ................. and nowhere did I mention the R or L words
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Oh ...., a smiley



Fill the bath with ice and call the ambulance...
 
But he won twice so would that not make him a two hit one hit wonder, or is it a duplicate one hit wonder, or maybe just twice as good as a one hit wonder?



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A one hit wonder with two hits ............... now I am confused



Its Mdub ...... he gets his facts from a soak in a bath with bath salts ...... apparently.
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Exactly, isn't there a saying about the worst thing in life is wasted talent? Thats the point; Stoner is gifted and like a lot of gifted people he's squandered a lot of it, not in the same way as someone like George Best or Alex Higgins, but he has.



I love watching the guy ride, but his bitchy attitude over the last few years has annoyed me. Some call it 'being frank' but there is a fine line between that and being bitchy, especially when his chosen profession puts him in front of many fans and influencial people worldwide. And lets not forget, HE CHOSE a professional bike racing career so don't moan about it, very few people have the luxury of being paid handsome sums of money to go racing the fastest bikes in the world most weekends a year, and more importantly enough money so that he can retire at 27 and never worry about working another day in his life. I can say with almost certainty that every bike rider in here who has a job they don't like to pay to go riding would swap with him in a heartbeat. Yes the politics and the media of the sport are ........ sometimes, but then you get that in nearly every aspect of life.



I have a NZ mate who is hugely talented and all he wanted to do was ride bikes and he was fast. He did well in NZ before coming over to the UK and he got a few rides and was phenomenal, ok he might not have been an alien as you guys call them but is raw speed and bike control was a joy to watch. However he eventually ran out of money and is now totally lost. He dedicated his life to going racing and now he can't he's back home fixing coffee machines part time, miserable as .... because he can't find any meaning or motivation in life. Thats what pisses me off about Stoner, he has a lot more than many others and still moans.



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oh the ironing .......



are you fixing the coffee machines as well?
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Exactly, isn't there a saying about the worst thing in life is wasted talent? Thats the point; Stoner is gifted and like a lot of gifted people he's squandered a lot of it, not in the same way as someone like George Best or Alex Higgins, but he has.



I love watching the guy ride, but his bitchy attitude over the last few years has annoyed me. Some call it 'being frank' but there is a fine line between that and being bitchy, especially when his chosen profession puts him in front of many fans and influencial people worldwide. And lets not forget, HE CHOSE a professional bike racing career so don't moan about it, very few people have the luxury of being paid handsome sums of money to go racing the fastest bikes in the world most weekends a year, and more importantly enough money so that he can retire at 27 and never worry about working another day in his life. I can say with almost certainty that every bike rider in here who has a job they don't like to pay to go riding would swap with him in a heartbeat. Yes the politics and the media of the sport are ........ sometimes, but then you get that in nearly every aspect of life.



I have a NZ mate who is hugely talented and all he wanted to do was ride bikes and he was fast. He did well in NZ before coming over to the UK and he got a few rides and was phenomenal, ok he might not have been an alien as you guys call them but is raw speed and bike control was a joy to watch. However he eventually ran out of money and is now totally lost. He dedicated his life to going racing and now he can't he's back home fixing coffee machines part time, miserable as .... because he can't find any meaning or motivation in life. Thats what pisses me off about Stoner, he has a lot more than many others and still moans.

It is his life ffs, he can do what he wants with it. I would hardly call 2 premier class world championships and 38 premier class wins, the 4th most of all time, 23 of them on a ducati who have about 7 gp wins otherwise a squandering of talent. Interesting that many of the people (not necessarily including you) who complained about him retiring are the same ones who proclaimed him a one hit wonder who won by massive bike advantage and was subsequently mentally broken by valentino the magnificent. It is also a strange phenomenon that his actual fans are almost universally happy with what he has achieved and for him to retire if that is his wish, while his detractors are complaining about him doing so; as I have always said, moaning about him has always vastly exceeded any moaning that he may have engaged in himself. As I have also argued previously he may have made a mature decision and decided that having proven his detractors wrong continuing to do so was insufficient motivation. I think the kid probably had something to do with it as well, whatever he says.
 
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Exactly, isn't there a saying about the worst thing in life is wasted talent?



We have often heard great atheletes say, when they lose the desire they will quit the game. Usually said in respect for the game and the fans, as they see it, deserve complete commitment. Casey how now made good on his promise to leave, given he has lost his desire. He won his penultimate race and podium in his last after a visit to the pit (in .... conditions no less). Not sure I'd qualify this as "wasting talent", as while he was in the game, it was rather undeniable, he was trying. If wasting talent is the "worst" thing in the world, then what do we call somebody who by most fan & expert accounts was considered the Greatest Of All Time; yet appeared to be circulating with no ambition, no desire, and at very least not honoring the terms of a good faith contract that in exchange for wages one will give all his effort?
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Exactly, isn't there a saying about the worst thing in life is wasted talent? Thats the point; Stoner is gifted and like a lot of gifted people he's squandered a lot of it, not in the same way as someone like George Best or Alex Higgins, but he has.



TBH I haven't heard that one but have heard a number of variations including 'an unfulfilled talent is wasted', but then I would not call Stoner an unfulfilled talent as he has achieved what HE set out to do and wanted. Just because he may not have continued and achieved what YOU wanted him to achieve (or attempt to achieve or fail at trying to achieve) does not mean that he has wasted talent.



IMO it is far worse to have continued along in a career where you talent has waned to such a degree that you have instead become a hindrance or hazard and in the end are forced into retirement because nobody wants you or your once past great skills.



Is horses for courses I suggest and what you may see as unfulfilled some (myself included) will see as fulfilled if he is happy with his achievements and results, which dare I say he is.
 
Exactly, isn't there a saying about the worst thing in life is wasted talent? Thats the point; Stoner is gifted and like a lot of gifted people he's squandered a lot of it, not in the same way as someone like George Best or Alex Higgins, but he has.



. Thats what pisses me off about Stoner, he has a lot more than many others and still moans.



A. Not all sayings are necessarily profound.

B. Stoner raced successfully and won races from the age of 14 till now. Who is anyone here to say his time has been wasted?



What fabulous achievements have you accomplished that put you in a position to judge his? What is it with

fans that think they own the athletes they follow? The only people to whom Stoner is beholden are his parents who sacrificed everything so he could succeed. If they're happy - .... the whining "fans". The fans got their money's worth.



C. He ain't complaining anymore. He set his goals, met them and now is enjoying the fruits of his labors. Your whining is about your envy and nothing more. Some people think athletes should be like gladiators and continue to fight until they get killed in battle. What ......... Who cares if Stoner doesn't meet your standards and expectations? It's like listening to fleas living in an elephant's crack and complaining about lack of amenities.
 

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