'Legend' Stoner ends MotoGP career on the podium
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When retired, irrespective of his end results I would say he will be (as will Rossi obviously) as the way I understand it, to qualify one must first retire.
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I dont see why repitition is a prerequisite for legendary status.
And what more repitition is there than 23 wins over 4 years on a Ducati. Its simple, when the 9 times 100 wins GOAT says he cant replicate or understand how it was possible to even win a single race, then a legend is born.
I am not fussed whether stoner is a legend or not, and I strongly suspect neither is he with being officially designated as one anyway, but I do think kevin schwantz is, and winning a world title and 23 races on a ducati is arguably comparable with a world title and 25 race wins on a suzuki.
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definately, he's on his way with winning 2 WC and doing them by beating rossi and stoner in the process.
i think the legend status of stoner has less to do with his (albeit impressive) number of wins etc., let alone his not very long lasting dedication to the sport (at least compared to other guys like rossi/capirossi/edwards/biaggi...), but more with the perception that he's the most talented of our time and was able to debunk the goat myth.numbers don't lie, but they don't tell how great an accomplishment winning on a ducati is either.
i agree with stoners legend status and i expect lorenzo to join the ranks once he retires.
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Kesh I thought you'd be the last guy to be rewriting history... that was not the prevailing view at the time.
See BJC's comment. Absolutely ....... awesome, yes... but for me (..... alert - I am stating opinion) legendary status involves both more time in the sport AND at least ten years passing before legendary status can be conferred. Time itself sets a legend within a framework of his contemporaries.
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Well look at it this way, will he be remembered when people look back on the sport? Of course he will, as one of the greatest riders of the early 21st century, flaws or no flaws, he has a right to be discussed as a contender.
Good fair posts guys.
IMO the term legend is such that what one considers a legend is individual and personally, just as the term 'hero' it is often over used in today's world.
For me (and I have often defended Stoner and as such have been termed a boner by some .............. the wife wishes it were true
To be fair however, he has produced some rides that were 'stuff of legends' and will in total likelihood be considered a legend of Ducati as the rider who achieved their first (and only to date) MGP title, but none of this meets my definition of being a legend of the sport (as I feel that DORNA's status should be). Is he good ........ yes, perhaps even a great based on results and the sheer brutality he bought to the sport, but a legend , for me no.
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Re-read my post Homey. I was referring to Rossi switching to the Ducati after Stoner gave it up as hopeless.
Not.... referring to Stoner's first year on the Ducati.
Mike BTW - makes a good analogy between the wins on the bucking and heaving Ducati and the underfunded Suzuki of the Schwantz era. His legendary status, as it were should be considered from the point of view of his entire career - not just his time in GP. That and the sheer number of time he beat "The Goat", to say nothing of his domination of the 800cc era - and while it might sound shallow.... the sheer amount of passionate controversy that surrounded his years in MGP.
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He can accomplish what the fcuk he wants!
Just like I'm entitled to MY FCUKING OPINION!
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Casey's numbers are legendary. Considering he did most of it on a Ducati, given the lessons on 2011-12, there is no doubt its legend worthy. Peeps not considering him a legend are thinking about his personality not his accomplishment. Longevity is not a prerequisite for legendary status. And neither is likability. I don't like VR's personality, but his record will catapult him into legend status, regardless that most of it was gained through league favortism. People won't remember this, as people won't remember Ago basically had the only package capable of wining for many years, or Doohan only needing to beat his weak Spanish teammate. People often don't take the time to analysis results properly and simply most often take them at face value. Stoner detractors can thank God Casey wasn't moved to a factory Jap bike after 07, or that string of WCs would have easily been several, its an easy assessment to make. People talking about naming corners, haha, Jesus, Valencia has Torel, and the ....... circuit is named for some no-name 10cc champ named Ricardo. Make no mistake, Casey Stoner is a legend of the sport whether some of us like it or not. He was easily the fastest rider for the last 6 seasons, something not easily highlighted by wins and WCs, this is confirmed by not only his results in poles, fast laps, and track records given the conditions, but by other notables who have commented on Stoner's speed on the track. That he chose to quit early has zero barring on his results thus far. There is no way we can make a case, as has been attempted here, to discredit his legendary status if we are going to bare in mind other legends of the sport against Stoner's record. Sure, some people feel its way too soon to be calling the guy a "legend" given the circumstance of his early departure, but even this lets look at it clearly, its NOT like he got caught cheating on the bike or worse given special dispensations that directly enhanced his performance leading to results. Make no mistake, given a bit of time, and some real impartial analysis of his record, the man is a MotoGP legend (just one that a lot of people don't like or want to accept).
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So again, allow me bring up The Cryin' Texan, Schwantz:
At the time the Pile of .... was the fast but ...... NSR500...a better analogy to the Ducati than the RGV.
CS and KS had the same number of full seasons in the premier class.
CS 2WC. KS 1WC.
But good point on the framework of contemporaries....in which case, Schwantz didn't win against his GOAT, Rainey.
And yet Mr my-body-can't-take-it (Pedrosa can giggle over that) did three crap races in '95 and sooked back to his ranch to shoot things.
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That brings up a good point though, some guys will be legends because of the way they rode and not for race wins and championships. Maybe there should be an unforgettable status. McCoy would fall somewhere in there for me because of his riding and getting back on the bike with injuries.
Casey will be one of the few riders who I can say would have had many championships if on better equipment, and I think that's a huge compliment for him because the same can't be said for the other aliens, they've had the best under them for their entire careers.
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Why would I want to do that?
That is the point.
But not in the way you might think.
Anyway, it's not like I was a real prick and compared him to Mr 9years/4wins/1WC....
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You ....... hypocrite!!
